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When I was in the 3rd grade, there were about 30 of us in the class, and most of us were pretty good kids, nobody got in trouble, we just did what we had to do, except of course, for a boy named Nicholas.

Nicholas was a short, chubby boy with longish light brown hair and green eyes. He was the class bully who made girls cry, fought with the boys, and didn't pay attention to the teachers. And he smelled badly.

Nobody wanted to sit next to him, there were conferences in school about him with his parents, but nothing changed. The teachers told us just to ignore him, that they tried to discipline him but it was impossible because they got no help form his parents. It seemed as if they were worse than he was. Nothing could be done about him.

He was my classmate for three years, but the only teacher he ever respected was Mr. Glynn, my 5th grade teacher. We ALL respected him, he was scary looking! hahaha! Anyway, I don't know what he did, but Mr. Glynn made him pay attention in class and he never had any smell problems anymore... He was never SUPER clean, but at least it wasnt like before!

I'd like you all to tell me your experiences about somebody in your class, from your time in school, who was similar to Burris or Nicholas. I think we all had somebody like this in our lives, our own "Burris."

I had many classmates like Burris, but I want to talk about an especially group, when i was in 4ºgrade, their names were Ector, Julio and Alcides, they weren´t only a group they were an “insupportable” group who didn´t care anything, they only went to the school for did mischief, they loved it. The leader was Ector the oldest in the group, they had about 11-12 years old.

All in the class didn´t like them, because always they did mischief, to each one they put a horrible nickname, I was very angry with that (I don´t want to say my nickname it was horrible, ha ha).

The class always were uncomfortable because they didn´t stop to talk, the teacher sometimes lost the patient with them, as a teacher she talked with their parents but anything happened, they not only got to cry some of us, but the worse was that they got to cry our teacher, she had high blood pressure and she decided renounce and was transferred in another school.

Later they went in other schools, but I imagine how they had behaved in other part, may be in the other school they changed, I don´t know. I think the discipline is very important because in this case if you lost the patient with them, they will be more rebels.

Gosh, I've had a classmate like Burris. I'm not gonna tell his name, but he was exactly the same as Burris.
He was the most "stupid" in class, he was like the immature one, he got to the point of being perverted on class. Once, we were going to the class after break, some girls were going upstairs, so did we. I've had the "misery" of having him right by my side, I was going happy because I ate something :B When I looked he was almost touching one of the girls' "ass" (sorry for using that vocab). He didn't realise one of the teachers was looking at him, when she yelled and he ran.
Well, anyway, he was the one who never cared about the homeworks, for exams, and thinks like that. He always made fun of the "smart" people (He called smart to the ones who make the homeworks and study). He also smelled so bad,it seemed like he never took a shower. People used to bully him telling "You take shower with the dogs, that's why you smell like that". He really smelled like that, but it wasn't a way to tell him.
It got to the point that a teacher had to told him to be more "neat" and to pay attention.

When I was in 7° grade.. I had a classmate who was a girl, I prefer don't tell her name but I chose her, because She was the classical classmate who doesn't do any homework, who doesn't pay attention,she was beautiful but she didn't have any brain in her head, she care only about herself and She liked so much stay with a boy who was her boyfriend but He was 5 years older than her, so in the school nobody liked her relationship, then it was a secret.

I was really surprised because I never had seen a girl with 12 years old act in that way.

Always She had to go to the director's office to any punishment, I think she liked to go there because she lost hours of class.

One day she really went so far because she went out of school in the break with her boyfriend- in secret -and when one of my teachers noticed that she and her boyfrient were absent the director called her mother and She said her daughter went to the school but the director said she didn't.

The Director, her mother and the teacher thought that we (my classmates and I)knew where they were, but we didn't know anything. So they began to asked for informations but we didn't say anything, So they threatened punish us.

2 hours later, when was school exit She appeared with her boyfriend and all of us were worried about her specifically and she quietly as if nothing had happened.
Her parents and the Director and the teacher were angry and she and her boyfriend were ejected and my class started to be the better than the others 7° grade.

1 year ago I found her in Facebook, she changed a lot, now she is a model and sometimes we wrote each other but we never talked about this history.

Well, when I was in 2º grade, I had a classmate, who was a boy, I`m going to call him Jon because I don’t want to say his real name.

He was a short and thin boy who always went late to school and never wanted to do his homework, he always was a bad boy who fought with everybody who wanted to say something to him or who was near him. Everybody was afraid of him, he was like a crazy boy, and he was like the monster of the class. The teacher was a patient teacher, she always told with him, advice him, but the boy never changed his personality.
One day, one month after started school, my classmate and me were doing our work as usual when he entered to the class with a dead mouse in his hands, the teacher was outside and he started to scare us with the mouse, everybody were running as crazies inside the class until the teacher went and found the dead mouse in her cup of coffee!!!! She got very angry, she lost the patient and went with the director of the school to told what happened. The director wanted to tell with his parents, but they never appeared. Jon got angry as if was he who suffered something bad, he never returned to that school, I don`t know what happened to him, where he went… the only thing that I know is that we were happy because he didn`t return to the school.

I like Rosana`s story, I think that everybody have always classmate like that… always the bad boys are together in a group and start to do the bad and stupid things.

We don`t know what they have in their mind, because they do the bad things without matter what would happen, or without matter what the person feel because of their bad treatment… they offend, hit and don`t respect anyone.

I had a lot of classmate (especially boys) who were like that, always did the imposible life to the teachers… I really feel bad for the teachers who always have to support that kind of students, because is very uncomfortable to be with person who doesn`t respect you or who doesn`t want to do the works… I always see in the school teachers passing by that, and is too sad.

When I was in 4º grade, I had a classmate named Elizabeth, the majority didn’t support her because she invented horrible nicknames and she always took her time to criticize us for our physical characteristics. She was a student who did not want to do nothing; she did not complete the homework that the teacher gave us and always got in trouble. I never told her anything about her behavior because I'm the kind of person who only sees and says nothing.
I did not see her again until last year, I changed my turn on the morning and I saw her again and I thought that she had changed, but she didn’t do it, she remained just as immature as ever, was not paying attention to the classes, she continued to criticize to my friends, especially to me (I don’t know why) She passed all the 2011 disturbing me.
This year, before school started I told my mom that I wanted to change from turn to don’t see her again. The worst thing was the classes started and guess what?.. She also changed of turn and also she was in the same section as me, I could not believe it, and I wondered why this was happening to me D:
But this year ... I saw her very changed and actually she has become more responsible, we get along and of course sometimes she continues with her jokes xD

Well, during my 5th grade I had a classmate named Adrian, he was a really unquiet boy who never did any classwork or homework; he didn't wear the uniform, and when he wore it, it was dirty. Our teacher was really worried about him because he was the only one n my class who knew the bad grades, she talked with his mother but she didn't do anything to make better the situation. Adrian's father didn't live with him and her mother was too busy to take care o pay attention to her son. I think, in that time he just wanted to catch the attention of his mother and maybe ours -his classmates- too.
When we are children the school may be like a prison for us if we don't have our parents with us to hear what we learned, what troubles we got in or how many congratulations we received.
The parents role is bigger than any other during the first six years of school, when the children cross those years, they can rest a bit. However, having children involves much more than just bring a baby to world...

Camila wrote: "Well, when I was in 2º grade, I had a classmate, who was a boy, I`m going to call him Jon because I don’t want to say his real name.

He was a short and thin boy who always went late to school and..."

I liked your story Camila! Your last words really drew my attention: "I don`t know what happened to him, where he went… the only thing that I know is that we were happy" because he didn`t return to the school", in each case the children felt glad after the bad classmate was gone, I know all of us were children but, we should change into the place of that fellow for a while and think what was his/her problem, what were his/her reasons to behave as they did.
It is easy to just fault someone without thinking about what is happening in his/her home or life.

when I was in 6th Grade i have one classmate, he is tall, big strong and always wore dirty clothes
he's nickname is "chucky"
chuki hit the other my classmates almost always, maybe because they wanted attention for big,he's had not friends, he's was always alone
he's did nothing at school and shouted to the teachers! No one dared to approach him
but one day, we had a new classmate much bigger than "chuky" we were all friends of he's
I remember there was a soccer tournament,chuki wanted to hit my new classmate, but we put in front to defend him (we were dying of fear inside)
the new classmeter was angry and broke his nose chuki
The worst thing is that everyone laughed at him (chuky), from that time never again appeared, I think he moved from school

Rosana wrote: ‘’I think the discipline is very important because in this case if you lost the patient with them, they will be more rebels.’’
Well, I think that for one part is true, but not all the persons are the same, they can act in a positive way if someone have patience with them... But in some cases even if you have patience with them, they continue being rebel.

I liked your story Rosana, it’s similar to mine. I passed by something like that, because my classmate everyday in the school was laughing about my others classmates and me.
In schools a person of 9 or 10 years old I think that is normal that there are some students that don't want to study or do the homework because they only think to have fun, but a person of 15 years that he or she got the sufficient maturity to think in his or her acts, and that was that happened with my classmate.

When I was in 2grade I had one partner he was very insuppotable he doesn't had one pupils who speak for he but he seemed not to care.
He appearance was dirty ,bad and he was the most old in the class.
In this case the teacher love he because when he stay in the class he was one good boy but with we the pupils he does antics.
When I was child I saw one cartoon where I listen IF YOU CAN NOT WIN IS ONE OF THEM and I became her friend and in this moment I know he was bad because the person he rejects and for he does antics is the maners who how can revenge.

I like your thinking Rocio, because the parents are a very important support in our lifes, they always try to do the best for us in all moments of our life, we must give thanks to God for them, and also to them because with the help of them we are here, but unfortunately there are many parents who don´t care their children, we don´t know about the situations or needs that they have, but you mentioned a phrase too important “having children involves much more than just bring a baby to world.” In our society is impressive the cases in when girls of 11-12 years old have baby, is really sad because in that age I think will be very difficult for a children to bring up a baby, the responsibility is of parent again, and that is too bad.

that`s true Rocio and Rosana!! the help or the atention of our parents are always very important for us, we need them, their love, their advice...but there are many children who`s parents don`t care about that... they would give their children everything,but the most important which are the love and the atention they forgot to give the children, and even if you have all the things that you want you would not be happy if you can`t share what you feel or your ideas with your parents. I think.

Well, When I was in 7th grade, I had to change my school, and obviously I was so afraid because I didn't have a company, I had only one friend, so, it was a change so radical for me, so, my friend was who explain me about my "my new school", I was so upset, because the students were not the same as the other of my last school, ok, I met one boy like Burris,His nickname was "Rod" He was impulsive, He want to fought, He want to do all things badly, so, He didn't like anything and nobody like him. He was my classmate, I never said him nothing, and He always said me something, you know, hahaha, so, I was so shy, because I was new, and I didn't talk with nobody, so, I never pay attention at him, but one time my patient went away, haha, and He said me something that I didn't like, and I stand up, and in front of the class, said him that I don't like how He acted and that nobody like too, and what was His problem, so, that was the last time that He said me something bad, and I don't know how, but I was the only one who understood him.
I think He only want a person or a friend who said him the things, who listen him, because nobody want to listen him, until the teacher! and sometimes He had a lot of problems in his house, I remember that He comment me about, so, when we end the 9th grade He changed his turn.Now I sometimes see him, so, He changed a lot! now He live with his grandmother, and His grandmother understand him, I'm happy, because He always want a person who understand him, and now He has one.

Karen wrote: "Well, When I was in 7th grade, I had to change my school, and obviously I was so afraid because I didn't have a company, I had only one friend, so, it was a change so radical for me, so, my friend ..."

I like your story Karen, I think the people always criticize another person because he/she acts bad, but we have to know the real reason for why this person act in this way, and then judge the person, but is very important to try and help the people who pass some difficulties.

In 8th grade I had a classmate whom I will call Andrew. This poor fellow actually wasn't bad with us, but he was rude with the teachers, he didn't do his homework, he wanted to fight, he smelled strange... But the major problem was that he was very ungly. Everybody mocked him because of his very big nose, and this made him more agressive, if this was possible. I didn't have any problems with him, and he never told me bad words -in fact, he liked to be at my side-, but my classmates, I don't know how and why, made me hate him. But somehow I noticed that he was suffering a lot for some reason and I felt sorry for him. Perhaps I should have tried to tell them to stop, but they used to insult me a lot, too, and I didn't want to have more trouble.
After winter break he moved from school, and left a letter saying we were "the best partners he ever had". I don't know if he said that ironically or something, but I know that the letter was written with a lot of bitterness. Of course, my classmates were extremely happy.
I never saw him again.

Karen wrote: "Well, When I was in 7th grade, I had to change my school, and obviously I was so afraid because I didn't have a company, I had only one friend, so, it was a change so radical for me, so, my friend ..."

Your story is a bit similar to mine. I moved from school in 7th grade too, they were different from my other school and I didn't have any friends, either. I think that was what happened with our "bad boys", as you said, maybe they needed somebody to talk.
Sometimes people could be very cruel, especially when you are a child and you can't put yourself in someone's place. But there is something worse than insults, indifference: when your parents doesn't take care of you, or when your classmates doesn't want to, even, talk to you. That hurts a lot, too, makes you think that nobody loves you. Maybe that was what they felt.

Camila said : (...)''...the only thing that I know is that we were happy because he didn`t return to the school''.. / I think you can't be so indifferent, if he didn't return it's for any reason. We usually think that if someone who doesn't matter for us is absent, is good. It´s not so, another people can also feel what you felt. I feel sorry for all those who lived like this, because they don't know about education. Ones could change, as many stories of my classmates with happy end. But there are others who can't; they need help to change and we do nothing!

Many classmates told stories about people who changed throughout that they grew up. Maybe the bad experiences made them change, they suffered in chilhood and got stronger. I think we don't have to criticize, neither mistreat someone because tomorrow can be another story.

I really like Rocio´s comment. Having children involves much more than just bring a baby to world. And is very true that his classmate wanted to catch the other´s attention.
Almost all the conduct´s problems in children in school age are because in his houses they did have not the necessary attention.
I had one classmate that was very rebeld because his parents separated when he was a little boy. I not remember very well of he in elementary school, but he was my classmate until High School and I remember that he not respected principally the religion teacher, because his mother was very religious and maybe influence it against religion teacher. Because he hates his mother until now.

Ok. When I was in 4th grade, i had a classmate called "RAIMUNDO" like his name, was his sensational appearance!

He had always, but every day, a real and "exclusive" smell, that you could recognize, " without need to see" when he arrived in class, and when he went out of the class, was already impressive! Isn't necessary to mention that had a poor state of his uniform, and sometimes he arrived at the school, without backpack and pen.

Different of the other "BURRIS"; "RAIMUNDO" was and had a real and impressive capacity of resolve problems in maths, more that everybody in class! and was imposible that maybe he practice in his house.

Other great feature of RAIMUNDO was that for more that we want, he never missing classes!
I remember also that he had a mother that the few times that came to the school, Always ashamed to RAIMUNDO in front of the entire class! with differents bad ways of talk with him.. but spite of it, always was a great pupil in Maths!

RAIMUNDO had also, an great sense of humor! and my classmates always laughed of him, of his apperance and to to complete of "the silly stories of his life"
that he always told us .

After all, RAIMUNDO the most smelly and dirty of the class, was for 3 years, the soul of my class :)

Andrea wrote: "When I was in 4º grade, I had a classmate named Elizabeth, the majority didn’t support her because she invented horrible nicknames and she always took her time to criticize us for our physical characteristics."
That's a problem very common in schools, and is really bad, because I think, the education has to come from the house, because my parents always said me that I have to respect other persons, it dosn't matter if they laugh of me, because they're unsafe of their body, that's because they criticize others. I think in all houses the education from the family is important and also the support that they have to give you.

I've never paid attention on that kind of classmates. But I remember more or less about a boy whose name I don't remember, so I'm going to call him Jack. He was from a poor family.. He had a bad education and the information I knew was on his father who didn't know reading neither writing.. It was in 3rd grade: I was always afraid of him. Once a classmate had lost her pencils. Then, the principal went in the class and started to forage it. I was so surprised, the principal found it in the bag of Jack. Since that time, he was known as the villain, because he robbed. That's very bad. He was so young and already had that reputation at school. Until today I don't know where he lives, what happened to him, and I'd rather don't know it because I'm really afraid. I think he never took care for education.
After all, I can't judge him, because I imagine his situation. Maybe his parents didn't feel worried and he didn't receive enough education at home.
That's what I remember of him!

Natali wrote: "RAIMUNDO had also, an great sense of humor! and my classmates always laughed of him, of his apperance and to to complete of "the silly stories of his life" that he always told us."
Sometimes, persons like, Raimundo or Burris go to school only to forget their problems that happen in their houses, because in my school we have three turns: morning, afternoon, and night, so, sometimes I go to school to do something, and I find persons who always are there, and I asked that to a teacher why happen that, then He told me, that some of them want to forget their problems and come to the school, many persons said that school is a prision, but for many, the school is a escapement...

I only remember one classmate similar to burris, his name is Roque, I never forget because I was his principally victim. The worse thing that he did was "he pushed me in the ladder". Since that day I not know nothing about he. Because was expelled from the school.
He was a very problematic children, he never did his HW, in class always entered late, his job was only disturb the students, he removed others´s lunch. That happened in third grade.
He hadn´t friends, because anyone wanted it. The teacher treated help him. But his behavior was uncontrollable.
Sincerely I will like find him, to know why he was a bad boy, and why I was his principally victim.

Karen wrote: "Sometimes, persons like, Raimundo or Burris go to school only to forget their problems that happen in their houses.."

Yes Karen, exactly, I think Raimundo was this kind of person, like I mentioned, only his mother, treated him like a dog, was really sad. :(

Is a great point because exist a big number of students that really go to school exactly and just to not stay more time in their houses.

Rocio wrote: Well, during my 5th grade I had a classmate named Adrian, he was a really unquiet boy who never did any classwork or homework...

I remember Adrian ! He really was unquiet boy, He always wanted to played with me 'YU GI OH!' I won him in one opportunity. I think He was a good boy but abandoned and solitary who want a friend or somebody near him.

When I was in 3º or 4º grade. I don´t remember very well, but what happened is that I had a partner, wasn`t equal to Burrris, the difference is that He was hashed, one day asked me to help him, one day before a test but he sometimes treated us badly, first I said no, I replied because I was so tired of all the class he spent bothered and insulting, then he sat down repented, but then returned, and before I ask for help, I asked to he a few altered, why? is it so and because the whole class came to disturb and did not pay attention, finish telling, why do not you stay in your home! He looked at me and told me tearfully that he was almost alone, that only he lives with his grandfather, his mother went to Argentina, to work and only had time to go out to sell ice cream to win something, I didn`t know what to do, and I felt so bad, that I shouldn`t have to say, when I get home I said to my mom with a sadness that had happened ... and my mom said me. That I should go to his home and help to he if I felt bad to happened.

Karen wrote: He said me something that I didn't like, and I stand up, and in front of the class, said him that I don't like how He acted and that nobody like too, and what was His problem, so, that was the last time that He said me something bad, and I don't know how, but I was the only one who understood him.

I like your story, too. I think when you are empathic him someone who acted different you can understand him and you have more patience.
This kind of people don't change with words, I believe that they change when they find that they are looking and sometimes it is a simple thing, a friend, somebody who listen or attention, I mean, they change with action in the atmosphere.

when I was in sixth grade. I had a classmate in this case ,she was a woman , her name's Dey...! she's a kind of children like to eat a lot of food , in that moment she was getting fat, sometimes she had food in her bag , when she want to eat it and the others laugh of her, and put her a nickname:" ufftamboura" . she get ungry for that, she react , badly in some case, she had control of the group, because she's taller enought of our , and fight with the boys beating them, she felt very strong, all of my clasmate had fear and respect her, one day . OUR teacher said tomorrow I going to take a oral examen, study children, well I studied, AND after when the teacher said , who's studied=? I didn't hear something,ok I was studyind! the teacher heart me , and finally when all finish, day was angry because I study and she came behind me and catch my hair extend it with strong, I cry...! I told to the teacher she reject that she said we are playing, she was very special, maybe she could have been more friendly with her classmate, but we didn't know her exactly situation ,the teacher call her to have a conversation with her, and after that I saw , I little change in her attitude, one day I found her when I return to my house, I said SHE I can go with her to know her house, ok, said me, WHEN I arrived there I see , she has a lot of problem, and she reaction it's a result of all that.

I agree with this phrase:Karen wrote: "Sometimes, persons like, Raimundo or Burris go to school only to forget their problems that happen in their houses.."
maybe some fathers don't pay the attention necesary of their sons and they want to have that, and they try to have that maybe with a bad behavior, and in some case the parents think so! if the school responsability educate the children, their obligation it help the teacher work,

I liked! natali wrote:RAIMUNDO had also, an great sense of humor! and my classmates always laughed of him, of his apperance and to to complete of "the silly stories of his life"
that he always told us .
I LIKE Raimundo behave, he has had a good sense of humor,the classmates enjoy it , laugh, and share, that's ok, but I don't like when others children try to put next to you , to received one thing of they need, or considerate you are clown, and they only like to join him to bother him , to used and after them the friendly threat finish, the have to be sincere how friends, and classmate

Rossana, you have reason, and to know what do they feel you have to be in their places, so, Rod, was so important in my class, because without a paper and pen He taught us one of the most important lessons, "The lesson of the live"

You know Rebecca!, because you spent the same story, so, it was so difficult, and like you said the parents have to care of their children, because maybe they suffer, or something happen with them, and they don't comment only because they don't want, or because they're afraid...

I liked the story of jose caught my attention this part: I always made ​​fun of the "smart" people
I don't understand that many of the people "make fun" of those responsible who do their homework and pay attention in class
I think it is to draw attention or maybe they're jealous
don't have to be mean to others. because the world turns and everything we do we come back to double