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Jun 16, 2016 10:24PM
No, we don't need to like the characters..... some great books I've read have had very unlikeable characters, in fact, characters that I've really despised... I do however think that we need to feel something either way.... If I neither like nor dislike characters I get very bored and tend to not finish a book.
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Yes, I agree. Indifference to a character is probably the worst. Better to dislike than to just not care at all. I've rarely encountered feeling indifferent to a character in my reading, however (and I read a lot) but I tend to prefer flawed characters than the so-called Mary Sues - that girl who can do no wrong, who's unimpeachable and faultless. But perhaps I'm a bit more twisted than I think. I gravitate to darker shades in a character, one who has both admirable qualities and less admirable ones. To me, that feels more human, and I become engaged. I'm not talking serial killers here (though I've enjoyed some serial killer protagonists in books, like Hannibal Lecter) but rather the character who is not what I expect, who turns the tables on me.And as a writer, my characters do surprise and, at times, appall me. Juana of Castile and I may share a love of Spain, but I'd have kicked that louse of a husband to the curb. Catherine de Medici and I might bond over pasta and a shared love of pets, but I wouldn't want to argue politics with her. Isabella of Castile would probably burn me at the stake. And while I admire Chanel for her drive and success, I hope I'd have the integrity to not sleep with a Nazi. As for Marlene, perhaps of all my characters she's closest to me in how she sees the world - but would I leave my husband and child to become a famous star across the ocean? I don't think I could. Or, frankly, have affairs with others while being married because I'm monogamous. The truth is, I choose my characters because I get to live through their eyes and experience things I wouldn't experience otherwise. It's the same appeal that I seek in my reading; I don't want to read about myself. I want to read about someone who's different than me.
No, liking a novel's character is not a prerequisite for liking a book. However, I am in complete agreement that indifference is key.Apologies for the misunderstanding in my hastily written "review".
The point I, clumsily, tried to present was merely that, although I did admire the woman, I did not like her (that was not my reason for not loving the book).
I felt, pretty much, the same about Chanel, however I loved that book and gave it a 5 star rating on GR.
I do recommend Marlene as a good read.
Oh, thanks. This post wasn't meant as a censure of any particular review of my books, more as a general opening for discussion. Not everyone is going to like all of my books, obviously, and that's okay, so no need to explain, though I really appreciate it. I was just curious if we, as readers, feel we must like a character in order to relate to them, or if we can relate even when we don't necessarily like or approve of them. I've seen similar sentiments mentioned in reviews of other books I've loved as a reader, so I thought it would be an interesting subject to converse about. For example, I'm reading a book right now where the characters aren't really likable for me, but I'm totally drawn in anyway because their foibles are curious, off-beat and well depicted.
Thanks for your insightful post! I share your thoughts on this subject as a fellow writer and an avid reader, and was delighted to see those views so well expressed.
Oh, yes - those reviews, especially of classics like Wuthering Heights, drive me nuts. Of course, that one has the added burden of being painted (evidently) by countless misguided high school English teachers as a "great love story," and the fact that it isn't (it's about obsession, not love, at least IMO), ticks people off even more.I also agree that indifference is worse. I might not like Heathcliff or Catherine very much, to use the same example, but I do care about what happens to them, as well as the people whose lives they touch.
I've only read a couple of your books, but while I felt that you were portraying things from within the character's head I also didn't feel like you were blind to their faults. However, it can be particularly difficult with an unsympathetic character. I can think of two in particular - one was about Edward III's mistress Alice Perrers, and I felt that the author bent way too far backward to redeem her reputation to the point where she was practically portrayed as a saint, and the other was about Sarah Churchill, Queen Anne's confidant and sometime friend, and in that one Sarah was portrayed (probably) fairly realistically but constantly "justifying" all the awful things she did. You seem to avoid those traps, and I do hope to read your other books soon, but as you know - so many books, so little time. :(
Part of the fun in historical fiction is to discover how different writers interpret famous characters. I do think as writers, we are under pressure these days to create sympathetic lead characters, because there's this pervasive fear that if we don't, with online reviewing so accessible to everyone, readers will revolt and boycott the book. Frankly, I don't understand it. As I stated, likability is less of a concern for me. Understanding is key. Characters may justify their negative traits and actions, particularly if the author is working in the first person, but if the book is done well, the reader should be able to determine if the character is lying or white-washing themselves. I enjoy it when the writer plays with me on this level as a reader, compelling me to figure it out.
I had this issue come up with Chanel, in particular. Some readers got irate at my depiction of her Nazi involvement, saying I was too enamored of her and failed to show what a horrible fascist sympathizer she truly was. However, I think my novel about her is pretty clear that she's in part justifying her own actions. And my research revealed facts that aren't usually explored, such as that her nephew was indeed taken as a POW and used as leverage to get her attention, and that some of her Nazi associates, like perhaps von Dinklage himself, the intelligence agent with whom she had an affair, may have had murkier motivations than those we assume. In truth, von Dinklage did save a Jewish chemist trapped in Vichy and Chanel allowed her villa at La Pausa to be used by her architect as a staging ground for the resistance to help refugees escape occupied France. She also went to Berlin to see her imprisoned nephew and conducted missions on behalf of the Nazi intelligence service, the Abwehr. Does the former make it okay to do the latter? Of course not. But it's not about how I feel. It's about how Chanel may have seen it. We're quick to judge in our new everyone-deserves-to-hear-our-opinion age, but we do so in hindsight, looking back and thinking we understand the entire picture. Often, we don't understand it. And we forget that to the people in that moment, hindsight was not an option. I didn't like a lot about who Chanel was. My admiration for her stems from her fashion sense, her drive to change the ways women dressed and saw themselves, and her ambition to overcome her odds, but in her personal life, she could be contentious, even nasty. Again, I gravitate to these characters because I like their raw edges, not what they do. I want to explore why they do it, and how they deal with it.
Good topic! I am a big fan of A Song of Ice and Fire to use an example. The fan wars and complete heartbreak of fans when their "fav"dies, or doesn't have chapters can be brutal if Mr Martin reads or watches the YouTube videos he will need skin made of obsidian!
I think you need misunderstood, shady, sneaky, dubious ppl in books and in some part tv shows and movies. Happy endings don't always exist or are needed at least for me.
So I'm bracing myself for a cruel end for the Song of Ice and Fire and looking forward to the next arrogant jack ass in a book so I can roll my eyes and walk away from my phone. (audiobook user)
C.W. wrote: "Yes, I agree. Indifference to a character is probably the worst. Better to dislike than to just not care at all. I've rarely encountered feeling indifferent to a character in my reading, however (a..."Completely agree - we don't have to like them, or what they do - but they need to be real :-)


