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Well that's a pretty low rating now. What's wrong with communism?
Haha! ;)
Actually, reading it, I feel like I'm listening to the pompous pontificating of a man who never grew up and wanted to make elaborate excuses for the reasons his work was not valued as it should be. He hates a free market. I can see where this would appeal to those who are slothful whiners and who believe that no one sees their inner genius. :o)
Hmm, that's interesting. I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that a book like this wasn't written by a wealthy land owner who felt badly that he had so much while others had so little. ;)
Both capitalism and communism can expose the heart of men and it does not look to good. However, that being said with communism there are two classes very rich and very poor. At least with capitalism you have middle class and the middle class are usually more generous in giving to those with less.
Now I am confused. I thought the reviews here are about books. Not a personal opinion about a political system. Also sentences like "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." have nothing to do with a book review.
A book review cannon be devoid of the reviewers opinion. Just as a person cannon separate his religion and his choices, we will judge everything we read in light of our religion, convictions, and perspectives. Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying, or more likely, unaware of this fact.
I don't agree. I think one is able to objectively judge. What I was looking for from the reviews was if the book is well written and if it is interesting to read. Obviously someone really religious will not find the ideas of communism appealing. But that shouldn't completely devalue the book itself. In general I think it is unfair for such a fundamental political theory book to have such a low rating only because of personal beliefs, if you know what I mean.
I thought it was poorly written if that helps...
am not seeing how capitalism is consistent with the greek scripture. the manifesto seems to point out the inconsistency in part I, as it happens.
I read the book and your review warms my heart haha I felt the same way, specifically with your comment "Actually, reading it, I feel like I'm listening to the pompous pontificating of a man who never grew up and wanted to make elaborate excuses for the reasons his work was not valued as it should be. He hates a free market. I can see where this would appeal to those who are slothful whiners and who believe that no one sees their inner genius. :o)"
Communism didn't start out that bad, but then people like Stalin screwed it up
Communism didn't start out that bad, but then people like Stalin screwed it up
Excellent review! I wholeheartedly agree with all of it.
As if capitalism is actually christian. If your relegion endorses kids workjing in sweatshops then it's disgusting
Agree with the one word review haha! Definitly disgusting! And I agree that Christianity is a limp figure in America.
I also love all the reviews to this book. Either people hate it or think it's some kind of Bible.
Found the Nazi and the religious extermist to BINGO!
Guessing most of you are Americans seeing that you all fear progress so much. Left wing ideals are good and science, not religion is the way to go now off to loose some steam.after reading all the reviews see yall in hell
You sound like a well-adjusted person :-)
Great and well-articulated review with a point of view; thanks.
Virtue wrote: "Instead of review, what I found was just a mix of tantrum and propaganda cheered by a few far-right extremists."
Ce n'est pas un argument, ooh la la!
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extremely funny review thx for the laugh
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Ma'am... did you actually read it? Like understanding the statements made before blaffing about the ones you did not understand saying that they come from greediness? Hahahahahaha, I mean, if you think this is the whole marxist theory, you'r wrong, and also need to read alot more.
Why is it so badly written though? Like, why isn't there one Marxist who can actually write an engaging work, perhaps even one that's humorous? Maybe Gorki, but my man Gorki was hardly advancing the theory.
How much do you need to read anyway, in your eyes, before you can make a qualified judgement that Marxism is wrong?
Well, in the first place, marxist theory is supposed to be a philosophical, political, economical and social theory that's descriptive of the core problem of production relationships, so it also has to explain ontologically the fundaments of it's theory, which is a problem at the time of making it hard to make it an easy reading.
The thing is, there's a lot of resources to understand marxist theory, like political populizers that make it easier to understand. I'm not saying people should get a PHD on Marx to criticize him or his theory. It would be ok if people just tried to understand what are they criticizing before making a misinformed opinion.
I feel like you did not read the book? Communism does not work, however several of the points you’re making is taken from Stalinism and not Marxism..
Well, the fact that you talk about stalinism as a theoretical posture, shows incongruence with marxist theory, since Stalin was a marxist. A marxist with interesting political postures but with very questionable political actions (like the one's with his own party and Trotsky).
Marx makes a statement on many philosophical factors which are prior to this. So if you read only this and try to make a critic to marxism (such as the opinion of the woman who made this review... probably), then there's not enough political baggage to be taken seriously.
I could have listened to your arguments if you wouldn't have said "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." How exactly is that the answer? Blindly following the dogmas of a religion without questioning is your answer? The same church who sentenced Galileo for saying that earth is not at the center but the sun is just because it contradicted the holy scriptures. It took 300 years for the church to admit that. A religion which doesn't allow questioning can't be the answer to anything.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-h...
Kunal wrote: "I could have listened to your arguments if you wouldn't have said "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." How exactly is that the answer? Blindly following the..."
Two-thousand years of Church history and your case that the Church hates science is based on ONE example. Care to name a second? You probably can't. The Soviet Union, meanwhile, has persecuted and imprisoned three-thousand scientists that deviated from Lysenkoism, and it has existed for less than a hundred years. To put it in terms understandable by scienticists, that's a rate of persecuted Galileos 60000 times higher than that of the Catholic Church.
Alex wrote: "Kunal wrote: "I could have listened to your arguments if you wouldn't have said "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." How exactly is that the answer? Blindly..."
I think the people killed because of religious dogmatism of "My God better than your God" throughout history far exceeds what happened in the Soviet Union. If you want to look at Christianity specifically, just look at the Christianity and violence page of Wikipedia, you will get your answers if you are looking for a comparison.
The wars within Christianity itself, between Roman Catholics and Protestants, have killed millions throughout history. "The French Wars of Religion (1562-98), the period of civil infighting between French Catholics and Protestant Huguenots. Between 3 million and 11 million were killed as a result of war, famine, and disease". For more count, you can look at the link below.
Like other religions and ideologies like communism and capitalism, Christianity was also hijacked and manipulated by dictators/zealots for their own personal manipulative gains. That's what actually happened in the Soviet Union as well which started as communism in the beginning but was actually "state capitalism" for the most part.
Now, this is what is happening with capitalism as well which is no longer a "free-market" with monopolies like Amazon, Facebook etc which can kill the competition with their enormous amount of capital. They can put money in the politician's campaigns and can easily lobby for the policies they want.
https://www.swnewsmedia.com/eden_prai...
Kunal wrote: "I think the people killed because of religious dogmatism of "My God better than your God" throughout history far exceeds what happened in the Soviet Union."
I've done my research on this, both on religiously motivated killings throughout history and on those motivated by political ideologies. Various communist regimes can be credited with around a hundred million killings, and again, they had a hundred years for it. The death tolls of the crusades in the Holy Land, the Spanish Inquisition, the Albigensian Crusade, the French Wars of Religion, and the Thirty Years War perhaps surpass the lower estimate for those killed by the Soviet Union, but then they happened around five hundred years apart, and not in just one country. If you also add in the wars and persecutions started by Muslims and various pagans, you might be able to reach the one-hundred million, but then you're comparing a wide set of religions with a relatively narrow political ideology. That comparison is obviously skewed.
Furthermore, both Christianity and Islam worked on populations that were already violent and warlike to begin with, and if anything, they made them more peaceful, charitable and just. Communism, meanwhile, exacerbated mankind's cruel and violent tendencies. We can see this clearly when we compare South Korea and North Korea or the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic. The communist halves of Korea and Germany were (or are) markedly worse places to live in than the respective half that did not accept communism, and they were populated by the exact same nationality.
"If you want to look at Christianity specifically, just look at the Christianity and violence page of Wikipedia, you will get your answers if you are looking for a comparison."
I think I knew most of the information on that page already. More, in fact.
"Like other religions and ideologies like communism and capitalism, Christianity was also hijacked and manipulated by dictators/zealots for their own personal manipulative gains. That's what actually happened in the Soviet Union as well which started as communism in the beginning but was actually "state capitalism" for the most part."
The communists in Russia were violent to begin with, it's not like they just fell from grace when they adopted "state capitalism". Of course, no murder ever happened in a communist society as Marx originally envisioned it, because such a society has never existed, but that alone should make you pause for thought.
Alex wrote: "Kunal wrote: "I think the people killed because of religious dogmatism of "My God better than your God" throughout history far exceeds what happened in the Soviet Union."
I've done my research on t..."
idk why tf every reply you have gets on my notificaions, but since all you're arguments are not judgements of fact but judgements of value and I'm getting sick of it, I'm going to reply.
Christianity since the roman appropiation of this religion is inherently violent since the readingo of the christian God as a god of war (book of Joshua if i'm not wrong) in a similar way that Ares was to the Romans.
Even in the latest centuries believing christian communities are extremely reactionary, for example antivaxxers and antimask population who reject science in order to reinforce their religious beliefs. And let's not forget the KKK has catholic bases and the rejection towards LGBT community is based on religious moral principles which do not contemplate the scientific endorsement the queer theory has.
Then you talk about communist being already violent and other societies having the same issue, but it's not a violence external to a very structured capital system. And the appropiation of catholicism in Russian orthodox churches is weakened during the USSR but reinforced after Berlin's wall fall and due to missionaries from de US that went in missions to "rescue" christian values.
The violence in Communism is only a response to the violence of the capitalist system which appropriates the worker's labour, that's what Marx talks about. It's not violence without sense, but it means to end with bigger violence (structural violence).
So... no, Christianty it's not like you believe.
Juan Fernando wrote: "idk why tf every reply you have gets on my notificaions, but since all you're arguments are not judgements of fact but judgements of value and I'm getting sick of it, I'm going to reply."
Activate desktop-mode, then click on the edit-button to the right of "You are following this discussion". You can find that underneath the last post. Then you'll have the option to turn off notifications.
You're welcome, pal.
Average anticommunist drivel. "He doesnt want to work hard" go take your tiresome shit critique somewhere else.
I'm sorry, English is not my first language, but did you just call Nietzsche, Sartre and Marx bad? You don't seem too smart, especially given the fact that you wrote "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." Sorry to be that guy, but yeah, God is dead (look at that, a quote from Nietzsche). He doesn't exist. Just an invention. A fairy tale. And I know what you're going to say, "But we can't disprove God's existence, so it's about believing.", yeah, that's not how science works. If we have absolutely no proof whatsoever for something, we (rightfully) assume it not to exist. And we don't have proof for your God. Not one bit. Believing in God is like believing in Cinderella from the Disney movie.
Anyway, besides that, I don't think you have really understood the pamphlet. And your review resembles your confusion, I'm afraid. You made one proper point, when you were talking about the charges against communism. The rest was just whining about a book. You called it disgusting, without ever saying what was so terrible about it. Maybe you should read it again, think about it in greater detail, maybe look into other works of philosophy, and then write another review.
Also, I have no idea how formatting works on Goodreads, so excuse me if anything's wrong in that regard.
Marx supported free trade under capitalism actually as a progressive force in history for tearing down cultural borders. Marx did not believe the end goal of the state was to be made up of the proletariat, he theorized it would at first resemble a husk of a state that would eventually wither away as capitalist social conditions which supported the existence of such a state were crushed by the proletarian mode of production. Materialism is also not environmental determinism. You did not read the book very well at all, you just chose to understand it from the way you had a preconceived notion of it from your conditions and anti-communist propaganda surrounded way of life, and you skipped the parts that didn't make immediate sense to you.
Say “I didn’t read this book” without saying ,”I didn’t read this book and just parrot what my parents tell me.”
"Jesus is the answer" LMAO the whole rant makes sense now haha
IMHO, there are two different things. There's the non-religious divine message that jesus brought about how to be attuned to one's heart/God and to how to remove the obstacles to love and peace between human beings (including making sure everyone had what they need in order to live with dignity) and then there's how God-ignorant religious conservatives and capitalist billionaires have CORRUPTED his message to fit their life-destroying ideology of tribalist-religious division & hostility, greed, violent plunder across the globe (justified by "this is god's will"), religious supremacy, domination of the few ultra-rich over the many and treating the have-nots like dirt.
According to the historical evidence we have about him, Jesus was not a religious person. He was considered a HERETIC and DEGENERATE by his own religious tradition. Jesus is about the least religious person you'd ever meet. He felt more at home hanging out with the so-called "sinners."
The study of historical Jesus shows us that Jesus and sectarian religion don't go together. The real Jesus of history would be horrified in knowing that a religious system was created around his name.
The TRUE SIGNIFICANCE and impact of Jesus will not be grasped as long as one thinks of him as a proponent of religion.
Tribalist sectarian religion, in the way it is commonly used by God-ignorant conservative politicians and culture-shapers in the world today to divide humanity, is NOT the fault of Jesus. The hate-filled God-ignorant religious division and warmongering and worshipping of ultra-rich tyrants (because they wave the bible and say "god") is the POLAR OPPOSITE and profound CORRUPTION of what Jesus embodied.
I would say there are 10 ways Jesus is universally relevant for everyone, regardless of one’s religious, spiritual or philosophical beliefs:
1. Jesus taught and showed that Love is the ultimate fulfillment of life.
2. Jesus challenged and confronted what was wrong in his own religious tradition.
3. Jesus pointed out the hypocrisy of claiming a close relationship with God while at the same time perpetuating religious supremacy, discord, hostility and DIVISION among God's children.
4. Jesus confronted the immature psychologically-undeveloped conservative mentality of judging and condenming others as "sinners", and instead told people to look in the mirror.
5. Jesus taught human solidarity where every person sees themselves as a “neighbor” to their fellow human and especially to those in need.
6. Jesus extended Love, compassion and friendship to ALL people WITHOUT CONDITION (in complete opposition to capitalism and conaervatism)
7. Jesus affirmed the INHERENT AND EQUAL WORTH of all human beings, REGARDLESS of wealth, status or position in the world (in complete opposition to capitalism and conservatism)
8. Jesus did NOT seek to convert people to any religion or belief-system but rather encouraged his followers to embrace and follow the spirit of LOVE, caring and mercy within themselves (in complete opposition to mercyless cruel ruthless capitalism and conservatism)
9. Jesus confronted the domination of the wealthy upper class over the many and took on institutional power structures that perpetuated this inequality. For that he would have been intensely hated by present day conservatism who would label him "an evil commie"
10. Jesus affirmed that every person has the responsibility and authority to build a world of peace and harmony that works for EVERYONE. For that he would have beenintesenly hated by the hirarchical anti-egalitatian Godless domination ideologies of capitalism and conservatism. Precisely as he was hated by the conservative authorities of his time.
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Well that's a pretty low rating now. What's wrong with communism?
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Haha! ;) Actually, reading it, I feel like I'm listening to the pompous pontificating of a man who never grew up and wanted to make elaborate excuses for the reasons his work was not valued as it should be. He hates a free market. I can see where this would appeal to those who are slothful whiners and who believe that no one sees their inner genius. :o)
Hmm, that's interesting. I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that a book like this wasn't written by a wealthy land owner who felt badly that he had so much while others had so little. ;)
Both capitalism and communism can expose the heart of men and it does not look to good. However, that being said with communism there are two classes very rich and very poor. At least with capitalism you have middle class and the middle class are usually more generous in giving to those with less.
Now I am confused. I thought the reviews here are about books. Not a personal opinion about a political system. Also sentences like "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." have nothing to do with a book review.
A book review cannon be devoid of the reviewers opinion. Just as a person cannon separate his religion and his choices, we will judge everything we read in light of our religion, convictions, and perspectives. Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying, or more likely, unaware of this fact.
I don't agree. I think one is able to objectively judge. What I was looking for from the reviews was if the book is well written and if it is interesting to read. Obviously someone really religious will not find the ideas of communism appealing. But that shouldn't completely devalue the book itself. In general I think it is unfair for such a fundamental political theory book to have such a low rating only because of personal beliefs, if you know what I mean.
I thought it was poorly written if that helps...
am not seeing how capitalism is consistent with the greek scripture. the manifesto seems to point out the inconsistency in part I, as it happens.
I read the book and your review warms my heart haha I felt the same way, specifically with your comment "Actually, reading it, I feel like I'm listening to the pompous pontificating of a man who never grew up and wanted to make elaborate excuses for the reasons his work was not valued as it should be. He hates a free market. I can see where this would appeal to those who are slothful whiners and who believe that no one sees their inner genius. :o)"
Communism didn't start out that bad, but then people like Stalin screwed it up
Communism didn't start out that bad, but then people like Stalin screwed it up
Calls the book a “whining rant” then proceeds to rant on about a mythical omnipitent fictional character, in a daft book full of talking bushes, slavery and intolerance. Written by shepards decades after the “events.” Then subsoquently rewritten at the orders of a King.. Grow up.
Excellent review. I couldn't agree more, I think it takes strength mentally to not buy into this anti social doctrine formulated by a Freemason. (Marx) and is responsible for other cultural ills like Progressivism, Feminsim, Trade Unionism and an absolutist doctrine of tyranny that make authoritarian right wing regimes look like a children's party. Yes Communism is about the destruction of the patriarchal family, about dividing us to the point we are too weak to resist the tyrannical beast of the Red state. I guess Christianity has proved itself in protecting you from subversive cults. I'm surprised you read the whole thing. please review do more reviews like this
Excellent review! I wholeheartedly agree with all of it.
As if capitalism is actually christian. If your relegion endorses kids workjing in sweatshops then it's disgusting
Agree with the one word review haha! Definitly disgusting! And I agree that Christianity is a limp figure in America.
I also love all the reviews to this book. Either people hate it or think it's some kind of Bible.
Found the Nazi and the religious extermist to BINGO!
Guessing most of you are Americans seeing that you all fear progress so much. Left wing ideals are good and science, not religion is the way to go now off to loose some steam.after reading all the reviews see yall in hell
You sound like a well-adjusted person :-)
Great and well-articulated review with a point of view; thanks.
Virtue wrote: "Instead of review, what I found was just a mix of tantrum and propaganda cheered by a few far-right extremists."Ce n'est pas un argument, ooh la la!
extremely funny review thx for the laugh
𝘀𝗰𝗼𝗳𝗳𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝗵𝘂𝗱𝗱𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗵𝘂𝗿𝗿 𝗱𝘂𝗿𝗿𝗿!!!!!!
Ma'am... did you actually read it? Like understanding the statements made before blaffing about the ones you did not understand saying that they come from greediness? Hahahahahaha, I mean, if you think this is the whole marxist theory, you'r wrong, and also need to read alot more.
Why is it so badly written though? Like, why isn't there one Marxist who can actually write an engaging work, perhaps even one that's humorous? Maybe Gorki, but my man Gorki was hardly advancing the theory. How much do you need to read anyway, in your eyes, before you can make a qualified judgement that Marxism is wrong?
Well, in the first place, marxist theory is supposed to be a philosophical, political, economical and social theory that's descriptive of the core problem of production relationships, so it also has to explain ontologically the fundaments of it's theory, which is a problem at the time of making it hard to make it an easy reading.The thing is, there's a lot of resources to understand marxist theory, like political populizers that make it easier to understand. I'm not saying people should get a PHD on Marx to criticize him or his theory. It would be ok if people just tried to understand what are they criticizing before making a misinformed opinion.
I feel like you did not read the book? Communism does not work, however several of the points you’re making is taken from Stalinism and not Marxism..
Well, the fact that you talk about stalinism as a theoretical posture, shows incongruence with marxist theory, since Stalin was a marxist. A marxist with interesting political postures but with very questionable political actions (like the one's with his own party and Trotsky). Marx makes a statement on many philosophical factors which are prior to this. So if you read only this and try to make a critic to marxism (such as the opinion of the woman who made this review... probably), then there's not enough political baggage to be taken seriously.
I could have listened to your arguments if you wouldn't have said "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." How exactly is that the answer? Blindly following the dogmas of a religion without questioning is your answer? The same church who sentenced Galileo for saying that earth is not at the center but the sun is just because it contradicted the holy scriptures. It took 300 years for the church to admit that. A religion which doesn't allow questioning can't be the answer to anything.https://www.history.com/this-day-in-h...
Kunal wrote: "I could have listened to your arguments if you wouldn't have said "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." How exactly is that the answer? Blindly following the..."Two-thousand years of Church history and your case that the Church hates science is based on ONE example. Care to name a second? You probably can't. The Soviet Union, meanwhile, has persecuted and imprisoned three-thousand scientists that deviated from Lysenkoism, and it has existed for less than a hundred years. To put it in terms understandable by scienticists, that's a rate of persecuted Galileos 60000 times higher than that of the Catholic Church.
Alex wrote: "Kunal wrote: "I could have listened to your arguments if you wouldn't have said "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." How exactly is that the answer? Blindly..."I think the people killed because of religious dogmatism of "My God better than your God" throughout history far exceeds what happened in the Soviet Union. If you want to look at Christianity specifically, just look at the Christianity and violence page of Wikipedia, you will get your answers if you are looking for a comparison.
The wars within Christianity itself, between Roman Catholics and Protestants, have killed millions throughout history. "The French Wars of Religion (1562-98), the period of civil infighting between French Catholics and Protestant Huguenots. Between 3 million and 11 million were killed as a result of war, famine, and disease". For more count, you can look at the link below.
Like other religions and ideologies like communism and capitalism, Christianity was also hijacked and manipulated by dictators/zealots for their own personal manipulative gains. That's what actually happened in the Soviet Union as well which started as communism in the beginning but was actually "state capitalism" for the most part.
Now, this is what is happening with capitalism as well which is no longer a "free-market" with monopolies like Amazon, Facebook etc which can kill the competition with their enormous amount of capital. They can put money in the politician's campaigns and can easily lobby for the policies they want.
https://www.swnewsmedia.com/eden_prai...
Kunal wrote: "I think the people killed because of religious dogmatism of "My God better than your God" throughout history far exceeds what happened in the Soviet Union."I've done my research on this, both on religiously motivated killings throughout history and on those motivated by political ideologies. Various communist regimes can be credited with around a hundred million killings, and again, they had a hundred years for it. The death tolls of the crusades in the Holy Land, the Spanish Inquisition, the Albigensian Crusade, the French Wars of Religion, and the Thirty Years War perhaps surpass the lower estimate for those killed by the Soviet Union, but then they happened around five hundred years apart, and not in just one country. If you also add in the wars and persecutions started by Muslims and various pagans, you might be able to reach the one-hundred million, but then you're comparing a wide set of religions with a relatively narrow political ideology. That comparison is obviously skewed.
Furthermore, both Christianity and Islam worked on populations that were already violent and warlike to begin with, and if anything, they made them more peaceful, charitable and just. Communism, meanwhile, exacerbated mankind's cruel and violent tendencies. We can see this clearly when we compare South Korea and North Korea or the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic. The communist halves of Korea and Germany were (or are) markedly worse places to live in than the respective half that did not accept communism, and they were populated by the exact same nationality.
"If you want to look at Christianity specifically, just look at the Christianity and violence page of Wikipedia, you will get your answers if you are looking for a comparison."
I think I knew most of the information on that page already. More, in fact.
"Like other religions and ideologies like communism and capitalism, Christianity was also hijacked and manipulated by dictators/zealots for their own personal manipulative gains. That's what actually happened in the Soviet Union as well which started as communism in the beginning but was actually "state capitalism" for the most part."
The communists in Russia were violent to begin with, it's not like they just fell from grace when they adopted "state capitalism". Of course, no murder ever happened in a communist society as Marx originally envisioned it, because such a society has never existed, but that alone should make you pause for thought.
Alex wrote: "Kunal wrote: "I think the people killed because of religious dogmatism of "My God better than your God" throughout history far exceeds what happened in the Soviet Union."I've done my research on t..."
idk why tf every reply you have gets on my notificaions, but since all you're arguments are not judgements of fact but judgements of value and I'm getting sick of it, I'm going to reply.
Christianity since the roman appropiation of this religion is inherently violent since the readingo of the christian God as a god of war (book of Joshua if i'm not wrong) in a similar way that Ares was to the Romans.
Even in the latest centuries believing christian communities are extremely reactionary, for example antivaxxers and antimask population who reject science in order to reinforce their religious beliefs. And let's not forget the KKK has catholic bases and the rejection towards LGBT community is based on religious moral principles which do not contemplate the scientific endorsement the queer theory has.
Then you talk about communist being already violent and other societies having the same issue, but it's not a violence external to a very structured capital system. And the appropiation of catholicism in Russian orthodox churches is weakened during the USSR but reinforced after Berlin's wall fall and due to missionaries from de US that went in missions to "rescue" christian values.
The violence in Communism is only a response to the violence of the capitalist system which appropriates the worker's labour, that's what Marx talks about. It's not violence without sense, but it means to end with bigger violence (structural violence).
So... no, Christianty it's not like you believe.
Juan Fernando wrote: "idk why tf every reply you have gets on my notificaions, but since all you're arguments are not judgements of fact but judgements of value and I'm getting sick of it, I'm going to reply."Activate desktop-mode, then click on the edit-button to the right of "You are following this discussion". You can find that underneath the last post. Then you'll have the option to turn off notifications.
You're welcome, pal.
Average anticommunist drivel. "He doesnt want to work hard" go take your tiresome shit critique somewhere else.
I'm sorry, English is not my first language, but did you just call Nietzsche, Sartre and Marx bad? You don't seem too smart, especially given the fact that you wrote "Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the answer, not communism." Sorry to be that guy, but yeah, God is dead (look at that, a quote from Nietzsche). He doesn't exist. Just an invention. A fairy tale. And I know what you're going to say, "But we can't disprove God's existence, so it's about believing.", yeah, that's not how science works. If we have absolutely no proof whatsoever for something, we (rightfully) assume it not to exist. And we don't have proof for your God. Not one bit. Believing in God is like believing in Cinderella from the Disney movie. Anyway, besides that, I don't think you have really understood the pamphlet. And your review resembles your confusion, I'm afraid. You made one proper point, when you were talking about the charges against communism. The rest was just whining about a book. You called it disgusting, without ever saying what was so terrible about it. Maybe you should read it again, think about it in greater detail, maybe look into other works of philosophy, and then write another review.
Also, I have no idea how formatting works on Goodreads, so excuse me if anything's wrong in that regard.
Marx supported free trade under capitalism actually as a progressive force in history for tearing down cultural borders. Marx did not believe the end goal of the state was to be made up of the proletariat, he theorized it would at first resemble a husk of a state that would eventually wither away as capitalist social conditions which supported the existence of such a state were crushed by the proletarian mode of production. Materialism is also not environmental determinism. You did not read the book very well at all, you just chose to understand it from the way you had a preconceived notion of it from your conditions and anti-communist propaganda surrounded way of life, and you skipped the parts that didn't make immediate sense to you.
Say “I didn’t read this book” without saying ,”I didn’t read this book and just parrot what my parents tell me.”
"Jesus is the answer" LMAO the whole rant makes sense now haha
IMHO, there are two different things. There's the non-religious divine message that jesus brought about how to be attuned to one's heart/God and to how to remove the obstacles to love and peace between human beings (including making sure everyone had what they need in order to live with dignity) and then there's how God-ignorant religious conservatives and capitalist billionaires have CORRUPTED his message to fit their life-destroying ideology of tribalist-religious division & hostility, greed, violent plunder across the globe (justified by "this is god's will"), religious supremacy, domination of the few ultra-rich over the many and treating the have-nots like dirt.According to the historical evidence we have about him, Jesus was not a religious person. He was considered a HERETIC and DEGENERATE by his own religious tradition. Jesus is about the least religious person you'd ever meet. He felt more at home hanging out with the so-called "sinners."
The study of historical Jesus shows us that Jesus and sectarian religion don't go together. The real Jesus of history would be horrified in knowing that a religious system was created around his name.
The TRUE SIGNIFICANCE and impact of Jesus will not be grasped as long as one thinks of him as a proponent of religion.
Tribalist sectarian religion, in the way it is commonly used by God-ignorant conservative politicians and culture-shapers in the world today to divide humanity, is NOT the fault of Jesus. The hate-filled God-ignorant religious division and warmongering and worshipping of ultra-rich tyrants (because they wave the bible and say "god") is the POLAR OPPOSITE and profound CORRUPTION of what Jesus embodied.
I would say there are 10 ways Jesus is universally relevant for everyone, regardless of one’s religious, spiritual or philosophical beliefs:
1. Jesus taught and showed that Love is the ultimate fulfillment of life.
2. Jesus challenged and confronted what was wrong in his own religious tradition.
3. Jesus pointed out the hypocrisy of claiming a close relationship with God while at the same time perpetuating religious supremacy, discord, hostility and DIVISION among God's children.
4. Jesus confronted the immature psychologically-undeveloped conservative mentality of judging and condenming others as "sinners", and instead told people to look in the mirror.
5. Jesus taught human solidarity where every person sees themselves as a “neighbor” to their fellow human and especially to those in need.
6. Jesus extended Love, compassion and friendship to ALL people WITHOUT CONDITION (in complete opposition to capitalism and conaervatism)
7. Jesus affirmed the INHERENT AND EQUAL WORTH of all human beings, REGARDLESS of wealth, status or position in the world (in complete opposition to capitalism and conservatism)
8. Jesus did NOT seek to convert people to any religion or belief-system but rather encouraged his followers to embrace and follow the spirit of LOVE, caring and mercy within themselves (in complete opposition to mercyless cruel ruthless capitalism and conservatism)
9. Jesus confronted the domination of the wealthy upper class over the many and took on institutional power structures that perpetuated this inequality. For that he would have been intensely hated by present day conservatism who would label him "an evil commie"
10. Jesus affirmed that every person has the responsibility and authority to build a world of peace and harmony that works for EVERYONE. For that he would have beenintesenly hated by the hirarchical anti-egalitatian Godless domination ideologies of capitalism and conservatism. Precisely as he was hated by the conservative authorities of his time.
