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Oct 20, 2023 06:06AM
Howdy y'all can everyone plz pray for my foster brother bc he is going to help out Israel in the Israel Hamas war he is leaving monday
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Many thanks and appreciation to your foster brother. Hope he'll be safe, victorious and back home soon!
Nik wrote: "Many thanks and appreciation to your foster brother. Hope he'll be safe, victorious and back home soon!"thanks Nik
If all these people thought Gaza before was a paradise, why did they not go there and live?As for all this money being donated, why is it? Because otherwise there would be chaos. Further, Israel tends to determine where the money goes, other than that through Hamas. According to our morning paper, Israel is withholding $300 M from the Palestinian Authority, which cannot pay the salaries of those it employs.
That situation is made worse by the fact that Abbas is now so old he is effectively useless, but there is no obvious replacement.
Unfortunately, while that seems spectacular, it will be little more than an irritant to Hamas. Faster progress in Gaza would be better. If Hamas can be denied territory, then it is reduced to incidental acts of terrorism which hopefully can be damped down.
Those who watched Fauda on Netflix or elsewhere would definitely remember him: https://www.timesofisrael.com/star-si...Seriously wounded, but luckily recovering
There cannot be peace without a Palestinian state.
I think Palestinian state would be very beneficial for us and hopefully for Palestinians. Peace would be a bonus. One can hope
Idan Amedi semi-rebound: https://vinnews.com/2024/01/25/fauda-...Another touching story:
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/...
Meanwhile, 15 UN staff killed, and 4 red crescent workers driving an ambulance killed. Then there were 470 killed at Al Ahli Arab hospital and maybe hundreds trapped under the rubble.Another touching story. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releas...
Thank hamas for the fate of Gaza. Israel denies bombing the hospital. As you always want proof I guess you'll wait for some. Unfortunately, as the war rages there will be many casualties, unless, of course, uninvolved population leaves the war zone areas, as warned and requested.
No country in the world would make do with terrorists lurking and preparing to launch attacks against that countries civilians.
Even Gazans understand whom to thank: https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel...
Yes, but I also recall your getting very heated about Russia allegedly bombing a hospital in Mariupol. If Israel can make a mistake, so can Russia.
It was about drama theater. As opposed to Israel russia cares less about warning civilians to leave, creating safe zones, providing electricity, fuel and heating, vice versa - it does everything it can to deny those and pounds city centers just for fun and terror. Needless to mention that it started the war and bears all the responsibility for its consequences.
Nik, whatever else you say, Israel does not respect safe zones. It tells civilians to go somewhere else to bomb the first place, then it bombs the second place. If a UN centre is bombed, that is not respecting safe zones. For a tank to approach a school and simply fire HE into it is not respecting a safe zone.So you think Israel is providing electricity, fuel and heating, into safe zones. Funny that the UN says that yes, it is providing some, but only a few percent of what is required. The hospitals cannot operate properly because there is no electricity.
As for who started what, in each case go back and look at the history. Israel is running a military occupation of Palestinian land and Netinyahu has effectively stated it intends to keep doing so. I seem to recall when the Russians sent in troops, everybody was asking me if I would fight back if this happened to NZ. You can't have it both ways. You can't expect lethal resistance if it is them, but everyone lies down and accepts it if it is you doing it.
You must be aware that if we wanted, we can have all of them dead, Gaza as flat as a parking lot, yet we sacrifice our soldiers to keep Gazans safe and go solely after hamas. THEY use schools and hospitals as their fighting locations. And sure we respect safe zones, as those there are safe!You wouldn’t resist , making a calculation that it’s pointless. However, coming and raping women, beheading children, burning people alive, taking hostages, some of them 80+ years old, is not fighting back, it’s terror, genocide or whatever you wouldn’t call it.
And by the way, there are no Palestinian lands, especially regarding Gaza the occupation is a myth, as we vacated it almost 20 years ago. It was a flourishing area. I doubt it will be again any time soon.
Gaza was not a flourishing area. It was blockaded, and the irony is that while the blockade was designed to stop military stuff coming in, that was the main thing that did come in. Otherwise the present fighting would be over as Hamas would have run out of ammunition.You may say you resect safe zones. The UN observers there beg to differ.
The UN corrupt tentacles will be defunded, as US, Canada, Italy and hopefully more - announced they'd cut funding to UNRWA for their involvement in Oct. 7 attack.I fully stand behind the statement that Gaza was flourishing. The "blockade", meant to block military supplies, was a bluff, as tunnels running into Egypt fully compensated for what should've been intercepted via the sea. Unfortunately. Gotta make sure, it never happens again.
You might like this hamas video, presenting real pre-war Gaza for you: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=124...
The accusations against the UN are serious, but we still have to await their response. One of the accusations reported here is UN employees supported the Hamas attack on Israel. That could be extremely serious, but we need more details. The UN can be forgiven if these Hamas "agents" were people like the janitors - there would be a level at which background checking would be less strong.As for the video, it was too rapid and superficial. Did you notice all the children playing on the beach in the brief clip of the beach? That is significant.
Gives some insight into what we are dealing with in terms of tunnels: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east...Literally - billions buried underground to save few and sacrifice the rest. Very fitting hamas mindset.
Nik wrote: "Gives some insight into what we are dealing with in terms of tunnels: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east...Literally - billions buri..."
Come on, Nik. At least try to be logical. If Hamas wanted to confront Israel and knowing the technological superiority of the Israelis, what else could Hamas do other than construct tunnels. They had to have somewhere where the IDF would have trouble getting at them.
Now the IDF is going to have trouble recovering the hostages. It either has to enter the tunnel network and open its troops up to the risks, or it has to negotiate. The alternative is no live hostages at the end. They can starve out Hamas, but not without starving the hostages first
Sure, I understand the logic that if terrorists want to fly a plane into a building they take a flight course. hamas won’t starve - as they prepared tunnels and spent Gazans money on themselves, they cared to stuff them with plenty of food, ammunition and what not. It’s Gaza and Gazans they’d deliberately sacrificed, but it aligns well with their desire of turning everyone into shaheed
It also aligns with a desire to free Palestine from Israeli occupation. Yes, they have gone about it in a rather despicable way, but in their logic, they probably think there was no other option. And seeing the way Bibi and his right wing allies talk, there may have been no other option. The right wing Israelis want it from the river to the sea. The problem is those pesky Palestinians.
No, no, no, Ian, they don’t want to end Israeli occupation and there was none in Gaza, they want to end Israel. It’s outspoken and written in their charter. I’m sure their way benefits Palestinians and Gazans are very happy and thankful with where hamas took them.
Yes, they want to end Israel, at least nominally, but they have no mechanism to do so, so that is irrelevant. As for Gazans, the Hamas attitude will be that sacrifices have to be made.
There was a representative of UNRWA on our radio at lunch time. They have 13,000 employees, and as the representative pointed out, they do not have a police force or an intelligence service. When Israel accused 13 staff members of having participated in the Oct 7 raid, without providing any evidence, UNRWA fired the 13 on the spot. What else were they supposed to do? The UN had also sent the names of these employees to Israel several times for Israeli vetting, and until this announcement by Israel, no criticism of any of them had been received from Israeli intelligence.Since Oct 7, 136 UN staff have been killed by Israel's "precision strikes".
So bearing all that in mind, what does the West do? Cancel funding. UN food donations have kept Gazans alive for 75 years, and Nik's claim that Gaza was a paradise is just plain wrong. So who now bears responsibility for starving Gazans?
What are you talking about? UNRWA employees took part in murder and other atrocities - all evidence was provided. You want to pretend nothing happened? Gaza certainly boasted a decent living. BTW, Arabs didn't contribute much to UNRWA anyways. They probably knew better. There are anyway btw 100 and 200 trucks entering Gaza daily, which Israel facilitates. hamas governed Gaza and is responsible to all ramifications of their actions. Hopefully, in the end of the day there will be no hamas.
Someone I know just returned from a month long trip to New Zealand. She was especially impressed by a cordial and sympathetic approach towards Israel in its fight against hamas from all New Zealanders she met. Thanks, NZ!
According to the UNRWA representative, no evidence was provided by Israel to UNRWA. If you can contradict that, how about a reference. Nobody is denying the atrocities happened; the only question is whether these thirteen employees took part in them, and what those parts were.Whether the trucks Israel provides will be sufficient remains to be seen.
As for the NZ response, you may be interested to know there have been significant but very polite demonstrations from both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinians. They do not get withing about 200 meters of each other, however. All very civilized.
Ian wrote: "According to the UNRWA representative, no evidence was provided by Israel to UNRWA. If you can contradict that, how about a reference. Nobody is denying the atrocities happened; the only question i..."UNRWA boss himself confirms he received info from Israel on their official site: https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/offici... . I guess he found it convincing enough to part ways with the employees. While the media elaborates on specifics: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-h...
Quote from your UNRWA link: "“The Israeli Authorities have provided UNRWA with information about the alleged involvement of several UNRWA employees in the horrific attacks on Israel on 7 October." Yes, he received information, but that is merely a list of allegations that are unspecified. That UNRWA fired the employees is not proof that the allegations are true. In this country, if a police officer has any allegation made against him, he is put on leave, admittedly with pay. The second link is more specific, so we wait to see the outcome. If the Israelis had firm evidence that these people took part in the October 7 raid, why did they not have UNRWA hand them over to Israel where they would be tried?
Regarding yo9ur assertion that Gaza was some sort of plafe tht boasted a decent living, "The ongoing blockade on land, air and sea imposed by Israel following the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip in 2007 will enter its 13th year in June 2019 in the context of ongoing occupation of the Palestinian territory. Long-standing restrictions on movement of people and goods have led to a de-development of Gaza and have had a devastating effect on people’s lives. Today, just over one million Palestine refugees out of a total population of 1.4 million are reliant on UNRWA food assistance, as compared to just 80,000 in 2000." (https://www.unrwa.org/gaza-emergency). Some tend to disagree with your assertion that Gaza was some sort of heaven on Earth.
If press has specifics, I’m sure unrwa has them too. I doubt unrwa exerts much control now over those who took part in Oct 7 massacre . They are likely hiding and we’ll have to apprehend them or already have them captured.
The blockade of Gaza was only for military supplies, which apparently was effectively circumvented, as Gaza is loaded with weaponry.
I showed you hamas own clip from Gaza. But don’t trust me, google for anything you have in NZ like country club or beauty salon in Gaza and judge for yourself whether they are inferior. Palestinians are champs in pretending victims, don’t buy into it too much
Heaven not anymore.
If the allegations had merit, surely UNRWA would invite Israelis to capture the suspects rather than simply fire them.As for Gaza, a quote from the quote above: "Today, just over one million Palestine refugees out of a total population of 1.4 million are reliant on UNRWA food assistance, as compared to just 80,000 in 2000." Not exactly heaven on Earth.
Some good news: two hostages rescued in a military operation: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-res...
Yes, good news. Unfortunately, according to Hamas IDF bombing killed two hostages and critically injured half a dozen others, and I doubt the medical support offered by Hamas would be adequate.Whether all the injured and million or so Gazans trapped in Rafah care a jot about two Israeli hostages is questionable, though.
hamas plays psy ops all the time. Nothing to rely upon. Sure, many Gazans celebrated taking hostages, took part in raping and killing. If they care for themselves, that’d be more than enough. If they care to hate, I don’t
Yes, but they cannot care for themselves right now. They may have cheered for Hamas, but they did not participate, and if you think cheering was a crime, a lot of governments around the world are saying enough is enough for their suffering. Israel, by telling people to go south, has concentrated something like half a million people in Rafah. Now, bombing that area is out of order - it is a crime. Bibi may say he is going to let the civilians out of there, but how, and where do they go to next? And what do they eat when they get there? This has gone on far enough - even David Cameron thinks so.
I hope it will continue until we rid Gaza of hamas. If you saw the footage the second wave that followed hamas attack were Gazans who came to loot and participate in the massacre. But I’m sure many Gazans are uninvolved and the army will care for them as much as required by the laws of war. If you have better suggestions how to deal with hamas you are certainly welcome to put them forward
We shall see. I suspect Israel will not like the publicity that comes out in the end because there will be a lot of Gazans yet to die.Interestingly, Biden came out and said there should be a separate Palestine and Bibi said, "No way." It says something about Biden that Bibi can do that sort of thing. However, Israel as a whole will bear the responsibility for the consequences of Bibi's actions. The fact is, most of Israel seems to support him.
Bibi’s polling very low and lost a lot of public support. He’s clinging to his semi-radical coalition to survive and that increases his dependence on whims of radicals he brought in. Consequently, he won’t be able to go to a big geopolitical move, which could shape and that would be a real pity.What the public supports is that hamas be dismantled and hizballah moved to where they don’t pose an immediate invasion threat, so that hundreds of thousands people who left their homes in north and south would be able to return home safely.
I don't think anyone disputes the premise that what has happened cannot be repeated, and that Hizbollah has to stop attacking Israel. That could and should be achieved through a two-state solution. What most world governments will not accept is hundreds of thousands of Gazans starving and dying because of Bibi's obsession. Israel may well counter that they won't do very much in the end and that may be party correct, but there will be a price to pay.
Two state solution doesn’t directly influence hezbollah, as it’s a Lebanese terrorist group that has no direct connection to Palestinians, but is Iran’s proxy.Gazans won’t be in good place for a while and they should thank hamas for Gaza’s demise and Arab world who unlike Europe won’t bother to give Gazans shelter.
Agreed the two-state solution does not directly involve Hezbollah, but a two-state solution will require help, and probably military presence from Western countries, which hopefully will deter Hezbollah from trying to wreck that.
We have unifil stationed on Israeli - Lebanese border. Unfortunately, it’s so pathetically timid as to play no role. Regrettably so
For Ian specifically- how many civilians has Assad together with russians killed - 200-300k? But you still support the duo, don’t you? Speaking of prejudice
Nik wrote: "For Ian specifically- how many civilians has Assad together with russians killed - 200-300k? But you still support the duo, don’t you? Speaking of prejudice"I have no idea. Why don't you provide me with the facts?
