Adina ( not enough time )’s review of Station Eleven > Likes and Comments
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This is on my to read list. You're right about the logic of living in a house vs a gas station. One idea might be that McD's/gas station is closer to supplies than a a residential area. I also like what you said about the road. For me, that is one of my favorite apocalyptic reads. Sounds like a reference to me. Thanks for the review!
Gene wrote: "This is on my to read list. You're right about the logic of living in a house vs a gas station. One idea might be that McD's/gas station is closer to supplies than a a residential area. I also like..." Glad you enjoyed my review. I hope you will like this book as much as The Road.
Paula wrote: "Fantastic review, Adina!" Thank you!
"Maybe because the author gave less thought to the practical aspects of survival some parts of narration seemed unrealistic" - this has been a problem for me, too, but then it was me who decided to read this book right during the pandemic :)
Timshel26 wrote: ""Maybe because the author gave less thought to the practical aspects of survival some parts of narration seemed unrealistic" - this has been a problem for me, too, but then it was me who decided to..." No dystopia for me at this moment. :))
I loved this book, and it's been a while since I've read it. But to answer why people fled cities, I believe it was to get to less populated areas to try and avoid the spread of disease (and perhaps whatever mayhem and shortages you'd have in a bigger city as the situation deteriorates). It's much like some people today who have the ability to leave heavily populated areas deciding to move out of big cities in hopes of avoiding the current pandemic.
Greta wrote: "Thank you for pointing out the themes.. that’s great 😊" Thank Greta.
Shelley wrote: "I loved this book, and it's been a while since I've read it. But to answer why people fled cities, I believe it was to get to less populated areas to try and avoid the spread of disease (and perhap..." I think you are right but at the beginning there was more food there and people were already dead If I remember well. I read it some time ago but modified a few things in my review.
Loved this book ........ great (and well detailed) review Adina!
Adina, awesome review my friend!!
I have to read this book very soon too!!!
Dean;)
Violence is a real good reason to get out of cities. Gas stations could have fuel in underground storage accessible for getting around and restaurants may have food stocked up. Controlling a MacDonalds was a key factor in the "Gone" series. With modern emphasis on 'just-in-time' delivery most supermarkets only have three days stock of food (in North America; it may be different in Europe). Cities are not going to be a place of plenty; mobs will rule and command what little might be available.
Richard wrote: "Loved this book ........ great (and well detailed) review Adina!" Thank you, Richard
Dean wrote: "Adina, awesome review my friend!!
I have to read this book very soon too!!!
Dean;)" I hope you will enjoy it.
Helio wrote: "Violence is a real good reason to get out of cities. Gas stations could have fuel in underground storage accessible for getting around and restaurants may have food stocked up. Controlling a MacDon..." You are probably right. I am not known for my surviving skills so canned food is my only hope. Which are found in supermarkets. I don't know about the supermarkets in Europe but my stock of food as home is less than 3 days.
It's not a dystopia novel. It's a post-apocalyptic novel. Dystopia is when there is an existing society that is imperfect. Post-apocalyptic is when people deal with the aftermath of the collapse of society.
Jeremy wrote: "It's not a dystopia novel. It's a post-apocalyptic novel. Dystopia is when there is an existing society that is imperfect. Post-apocalyptic is when people deal with the aftermath of the collapse of..." They are both. According to Cambridge dictionary definitian of Dystopian: relating to a very bad or unfair society in which there is a lot of suffering, especially an imaginary society in the future, or to the description of such a society. Station 11 talks about a society where there is a lot of suffering because of an apocalyptic event. Another definition: What is Dystopian Fiction?
The dystopian genre imagines worlds or societies where life is extremely bad because of deprivation or oppression or terror, and human society is characterized by human misery, such as squalor, oppression, disease, overcrowding, environmental destruction, or war..
Hope that helps.
Adina wrote: "Jeremy wrote: "It's not a dystopia novel. It's a post-apocalyptic novel. Dystopia is when there is an existing society that is imperfect. Post-apocalyptic is when people deal with the aftermath of ..."
Hi, no I think you're misrepresenting those definitions.
Here is a more detailed description of the differences;
https://mastersreview.com/literary-te....
Both are topics I've studied at Univeristy, and you can find a lot of academic literature on them. Dystopia is about questioning the way society is designed - either a tool for discussing current problems with society, or isolating aspects of society to look at in an extreme way. Post-apocalypse is imagining a world without society and how people would react or try to rebuild society. A dystopia can involve an apocalypse in its past, but enough time needs to have past for it to now be a somewhat stable society.
I'd also argue that the Station Eleven is more utopian than dystopian - the society being built is really flawless (at least we're not told any flaws), and is presented as better than our existing society. It's a romantic view of humanity and early civilisation settlements, where kindness and a sense of community dominate.
There is actually a long history of post-apocalyptic utopian fiction, which is what Station Eleven is clearly referencing - society collapses, there is a period of unrest and then humans, being inherently good and no longer under the control of religion and capitalism, build a new and perfect society. Station Eleven is set at the end of the period of unrest - the Prophet being both the end of the period of unrest, and the end of the ideology of the pre-apocalyptic world.
Have a look at the list of words you described "dystopia" - squalor, oppression, disease, overcrowding, environmental destruction, or war. None of those things exist at the end of Station Eleven.
Jeremy wrote: "Adina wrote: "Jeremy wrote: "It's not a dystopia novel. It's a post-apocalyptic novel. Dystopia is when there is an existing society that is imperfect. Post-apocalyptic is when people deal with the..." Thanks for the clarifications, the make sense. I haven't thought too much about it when I wrote my review. I probably took the term from many other reviews. Most list of best dystopian fiction include this novel. I will change my review and write post-apocalyptic because it is more appropriate in this case. You now need to change the mind of 2,464 Gr users who labeled this one as dystopia.
Love your review, Adina, it is so well written and specific!
Terrie wrote: "Love your review, Adina, it is so well written and specific!" Thank you, teriie
Nicely detailed review. Interesting that you liked that the story reverts often to the dead actor, and this what annoyed me about it; I wanted more of the present story. Otherwise, I liked the book. I might have to reread it and reassess. I just finished Sea of Tranquility and liked it quite a bit more. Will probably review it in a day or two.
Ray wrote: "Nicely detailed review. Interesting that you liked that the story reverts often to the dead actor, and this what annoyed me about it; I wanted more of the present story. Otherwise, I liked the book..." Thank you. I liked it too, I hope to read more of her.
Margaret M wrote: "Excellent review Adina" Thank you!
Loved the points you made! I’m reading it now.
le chat gris wrote: "Loved the points you made! I’m reading it now." Thank you. Enjoy! (as much as you can woth a book about the end of the world)
Excellent review Adina-Thoughtful and Informative-appreciate all the effort you put into your reviews
John D wrote: "Excellent review Adina-Thoughtful and Informative-appreciate all the effort you put into your reviews" Thank you so much John
Amazing review! So glad you enjoyed it!!!🖤💗
I looved this one! I read it when I was younger and I liked how the dystopian setting was more a backdrop for meaningful character interactions. Now that I read your review, I think you’re spot on with the theme of finding meaning in a barren land.
Great review! I’d be curious to hear what you think of her latest one, Exit Party. Station Eleven is still my fav of hers.
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This is on my to read list. You're right about the logic of living in a house vs a gas station. One idea might be that McD's/gas station is closer to supplies than a a residential area. I also like what you said about the road. For me, that is one of my favorite apocalyptic reads. Sounds like a reference to me. Thanks for the review!
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Gene wrote: "This is on my to read list. You're right about the logic of living in a house vs a gas station. One idea might be that McD's/gas station is closer to supplies than a a residential area. I also like..." Glad you enjoyed my review. I hope you will like this book as much as The Road.
Paula wrote: "Fantastic review, Adina!" Thank you!
"Maybe because the author gave less thought to the practical aspects of survival some parts of narration seemed unrealistic" - this has been a problem for me, too, but then it was me who decided to read this book right during the pandemic :)
Timshel26 wrote: ""Maybe because the author gave less thought to the practical aspects of survival some parts of narration seemed unrealistic" - this has been a problem for me, too, but then it was me who decided to..." No dystopia for me at this moment. :))
I loved this book, and it's been a while since I've read it. But to answer why people fled cities, I believe it was to get to less populated areas to try and avoid the spread of disease (and perhaps whatever mayhem and shortages you'd have in a bigger city as the situation deteriorates). It's much like some people today who have the ability to leave heavily populated areas deciding to move out of big cities in hopes of avoiding the current pandemic.
Greta wrote: "Thank you for pointing out the themes.. that’s great 😊" Thank Greta.
Shelley wrote: "I loved this book, and it's been a while since I've read it. But to answer why people fled cities, I believe it was to get to less populated areas to try and avoid the spread of disease (and perhap..." I think you are right but at the beginning there was more food there and people were already dead If I remember well. I read it some time ago but modified a few things in my review.
Loved this book ........ great (and well detailed) review Adina!
Adina, awesome review my friend!!I have to read this book very soon too!!!
Dean;)
Violence is a real good reason to get out of cities. Gas stations could have fuel in underground storage accessible for getting around and restaurants may have food stocked up. Controlling a MacDonalds was a key factor in the "Gone" series. With modern emphasis on 'just-in-time' delivery most supermarkets only have three days stock of food (in North America; it may be different in Europe). Cities are not going to be a place of plenty; mobs will rule and command what little might be available.
Richard wrote: "Loved this book ........ great (and well detailed) review Adina!" Thank you, Richard
Dean wrote: "Adina, awesome review my friend!!I have to read this book very soon too!!!
Dean;)" I hope you will enjoy it.
Helio wrote: "Violence is a real good reason to get out of cities. Gas stations could have fuel in underground storage accessible for getting around and restaurants may have food stocked up. Controlling a MacDon..." You are probably right. I am not known for my surviving skills so canned food is my only hope. Which are found in supermarkets. I don't know about the supermarkets in Europe but my stock of food as home is less than 3 days.
It's not a dystopia novel. It's a post-apocalyptic novel. Dystopia is when there is an existing society that is imperfect. Post-apocalyptic is when people deal with the aftermath of the collapse of society.
Jeremy wrote: "It's not a dystopia novel. It's a post-apocalyptic novel. Dystopia is when there is an existing society that is imperfect. Post-apocalyptic is when people deal with the aftermath of the collapse of..." They are both. According to Cambridge dictionary definitian of Dystopian: relating to a very bad or unfair society in which there is a lot of suffering, especially an imaginary society in the future, or to the description of such a society. Station 11 talks about a society where there is a lot of suffering because of an apocalyptic event. Another definition: What is Dystopian Fiction?The dystopian genre imagines worlds or societies where life is extremely bad because of deprivation or oppression or terror, and human society is characterized by human misery, such as squalor, oppression, disease, overcrowding, environmental destruction, or war..
Hope that helps.
Adina wrote: "Jeremy wrote: "It's not a dystopia novel. It's a post-apocalyptic novel. Dystopia is when there is an existing society that is imperfect. Post-apocalyptic is when people deal with the aftermath of ..."Hi, no I think you're misrepresenting those definitions.
Here is a more detailed description of the differences;
https://mastersreview.com/literary-te....
Both are topics I've studied at Univeristy, and you can find a lot of academic literature on them. Dystopia is about questioning the way society is designed - either a tool for discussing current problems with society, or isolating aspects of society to look at in an extreme way. Post-apocalypse is imagining a world without society and how people would react or try to rebuild society. A dystopia can involve an apocalypse in its past, but enough time needs to have past for it to now be a somewhat stable society.
I'd also argue that the Station Eleven is more utopian than dystopian - the society being built is really flawless (at least we're not told any flaws), and is presented as better than our existing society. It's a romantic view of humanity and early civilisation settlements, where kindness and a sense of community dominate.
There is actually a long history of post-apocalyptic utopian fiction, which is what Station Eleven is clearly referencing - society collapses, there is a period of unrest and then humans, being inherently good and no longer under the control of religion and capitalism, build a new and perfect society. Station Eleven is set at the end of the period of unrest - the Prophet being both the end of the period of unrest, and the end of the ideology of the pre-apocalyptic world.
Have a look at the list of words you described "dystopia" - squalor, oppression, disease, overcrowding, environmental destruction, or war. None of those things exist at the end of Station Eleven.
Jeremy wrote: "Adina wrote: "Jeremy wrote: "It's not a dystopia novel. It's a post-apocalyptic novel. Dystopia is when there is an existing society that is imperfect. Post-apocalyptic is when people deal with the..." Thanks for the clarifications, the make sense. I haven't thought too much about it when I wrote my review. I probably took the term from many other reviews. Most list of best dystopian fiction include this novel. I will change my review and write post-apocalyptic because it is more appropriate in this case. You now need to change the mind of 2,464 Gr users who labeled this one as dystopia.
Love your review, Adina, it is so well written and specific!
Terrie wrote: "Love your review, Adina, it is so well written and specific!" Thank you, teriie
Nicely detailed review. Interesting that you liked that the story reverts often to the dead actor, and this what annoyed me about it; I wanted more of the present story. Otherwise, I liked the book. I might have to reread it and reassess. I just finished Sea of Tranquility and liked it quite a bit more. Will probably review it in a day or two.
Ray wrote: "Nicely detailed review. Interesting that you liked that the story reverts often to the dead actor, and this what annoyed me about it; I wanted more of the present story. Otherwise, I liked the book..." Thank you. I liked it too, I hope to read more of her.
Margaret M wrote: "Excellent review Adina" Thank you!
Loved the points you made! I’m reading it now.
le chat gris wrote: "Loved the points you made! I’m reading it now." Thank you. Enjoy! (as much as you can woth a book about the end of the world)
Excellent review Adina-Thoughtful and Informative-appreciate all the effort you put into your reviews
John D wrote: "Excellent review Adina-Thoughtful and Informative-appreciate all the effort you put into your reviews" Thank you so much John
Amazing review! So glad you enjoyed it!!!🖤💗
I looved this one! I read it when I was younger and I liked how the dystopian setting was more a backdrop for meaningful character interactions. Now that I read your review, I think you’re spot on with the theme of finding meaning in a barren land.
Great review! I’d be curious to hear what you think of her latest one, Exit Party. Station Eleven is still my fav of hers.