Stephen’s Comments (group member since Mar 28, 2010)

Stephen’s comments from the twilight lovers! group.

I picked up the first volume of Twilight in a thrift store for under $1.00

When I read it I was mesmerized at how it was simultaneously one of the best books and one of the worst books I'd ever read.

The story-line was enthralling and I loved that the narration was from Bella's point of view (I've sometimes thought my inner-child was a gawky bookish teen girl) I loved the plot and enjoyed the characters but thought that prose style was almost painfully awkward in spots. I kept wanting to re-write parts that were just particularly bad writing.

This book convinced me that:
1) I had to read the rest of the series
and
2) I had to start writing again.

If this story could be a best-seller I could write one too. (Unfortunately the story-telling part is tougher for me - I guess I'm more of a born editor than a born storyteller)

I'm wondering if anyone else has read Tuck Everlasting there are no vampires but there ARE some tangential plot element similarities...

Sure, the following story is pure canon. Edward is a vampire and infatuated with Bella. Bella is human. The only difference from what appears in Twilight is that this story is told from Edward's POV
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4925456/1...

That differs from this non-canon story. Seth is gay and crushing on Sam.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5872868/1/


I'm placing NO value judgements here. I enjoyed both stories but I tend to favor in-canon works.

The only fanfiction that I truly don't understand is where they're AU AH (Alternate Universe / All Human)

At that point the only things they have in common with the story that they are supposedly "based on" are location and character name choice.

In-canon simply means that your story follows the rules of the world that the author originally built. No vampires are just human in your story and no humans begin as vampires unless you explain how THAT happened. All of the characters should still have the same gender preferences as they did in the original story, though a story that has a character explore some alternatives is also pretty close to canon. If it gets too far from reality in that regard it can be termed slash fiction.

That term derived from m/m & f/f types of abbreviations where it could be spoken as m slash m

Course the brits among us might pronounce that as m stroke m but stroke fiction has traditionally meant something else (see lemons)

I've read a good number and I'd probably read yours if it were somewhat interesting. I am more interested in those that stay in-canon but have fun.

Stories I'd like to see.

Seth's or Leah's POV story about their first changes & telling their mom.

Sam's first change (as I indicated above)

Either of the Cullen returns to Forks (from pretty much anyone's POV)


Something from Mike's POV that makes him less of a loser.


The first part of Twilight from Jess's POV. (Hopefully with a sympathetic bent)

Jacob's POV of his talk with is dad after he realizes just how much he's told Bella during their first beach walk.

Actually according to canon as spelled out in Breaking Dawn, They change into werewolves when they really want to (If they're under control) or when they're really angry (kinda outta control) so If Leah ever stopped "losing it" she MIGHT start aging again and ovulating. However she believed that the reason that she was the first female werewolf was because she was a genetic dead-end.

As to Renesme's conception... Edward is fertile and able to produce swimmers (Ditto for Nahual's daddy). It's generally the female Vamp that can't procreate, hence Bella was the first fertile female to ever survive a coupling with a vampire (in the Cullen's knowledge)

Nessie is half-vamp and she is aging yet she may never reach reproducing age. Again, Nahual is over 100 but looks 15 according to Breaking Dawn.

Ah yes, but that's true of any book one loves. The movie seldom measures up. I started this topic though because I WAS impressed with the whole Bella smacks Jake with the truck door bit. It was a great way to reveal Bella's clumsiness visually without having to dwell on it.

I did do a search on the site I cited but ... no matches were sighted?

Seriously there were some Sam centered stories but most were AU alternate universe things. If it's not at least tangential to the cannon I don't get the appeal of fan fiction. If your fan-fic characters share nothing but a name with their base characters, why not just create your own new characters?


There WAS one story Blood Moon that was actually pretty interesting but it violated canon a lot. Seth and Sam both pushed it out of the canon fanfic into slash fiction. I certainly didn't object but it wasn't quite what I was looking for.

There is a TON of fan fiction that's been generated based on the Twilight Saga Universe. It's second only to Harry Potter in terms of the total number of stories posted.

http://www.fanfiction.net/book/Twilight/

I was wondering if anyone had any favorites.

Personally I prefer those that stay in cannon (follow the basic tenants of the story as created by SM)

I would LOVE to read a story that deals with Sam's point of view. Imagine being the first werewolf of your generation. Not knowing what the ordeal you're going through is. Breaking the heart of your girlfriend. Having to give up your plans to get off the rez and go to college. Finding out that it's only a matter of time before one of the younger guys with a better bloodline will be wanting take over as pack leader.... if he ever gets around to morphing. Then accidentally maiming the girl you've imprinted on.

I can't believe that no one has tried writing this POV yet!

Please note: The comments above all refer to Bella nailing Jacob with the truck door. The other bits I edited into the post later.

Doesn't anyone else have any favorite additions/omissions?

OK... Having read the four main books in the Twilight Saga, I'd like to render an opionon on this one werwolf imprinting on another question.

Leah and Jacob discussed the whole imprinting thing at leangth in Breaking Dawn. They mentioned theories that imprinting served the pack by ensuring that there would be more wolves and/or bigger/stronger wolves in the future.

Leah felt that she'd become a wolf (the first female that they knew of) because she was a genetic dead end. Her genes from her father were very pure but for whatever reason she'd become a wolf and had stopped ovulating.

Jake felt that that might be temporary and that she'd start up again once she stopped becoming a wolf.

No one is sure whether or not these theories hold so feel free to speculate.

Having just seen the film for the first time, I might be a bit late in entering this discussion but it seems like most of the posts here deal with the logistics of the release etc.

I'd like to discuss the film vs. the book in more detail.

What were your favorite filmic additions to the story? What did you miss the most? Were there any brilliant moments that you especially enjoyed?

I'll get the ball rolling... I loved that Jessia was the valedictorian and her speech brought Bella's major issues into focus in a very clever way. Commenment speeches are supposed to be about BIG QUESTIONS and Jessica's did that for the movie viewers without seeming preachy. (That is no more preachy than one expects from a commencement speech!

In the beginning of New Moon on Bella's birthday she and Edward are supposedly watching the 1960's version of Romeo & Juliet. Per Mr. Berdy the best one.

Romeo and Juliet (1968/I) directed by Franco Zeffirelli is a movie that I've seen many times and the opening credits are very short and play over the famous opening speech about "two households both alike in dignity"

It makes no sense why Bella would fast forward over that part of the movie. And there's no real need in the plot for her to fast forward... she's trying to stall going to her birthday party.

Anyone have any ideas why this needless plot hole/error is there? Was it just bad fact checking or am I missing something?
Bella states that she fast fowards through the pening credits.

deleted user wrote: "Okay, can someone answer me what happened to Gianna of New Moon? Did she die?..."

In an interview that was included in my copy of Breaking Dawn Ther's an interview with Stephanie Meyer. One of the questions that she answered was as to Gianna's fate. She didn't go into as much detail as Manuel included above, but she did indicate that Gianna was dead. "She didn't make the cut"

Generally I like the characters in the book better than their movie incarnations and in the first two Twilight movies that was true as well.

However, today I saw Eclipse for the first time and liked Jasper better in the film than in the book. The books have always left him a bit two dimensional in my mind but the actor in Eclipse did a nice job of fleshing him out some.


I Also liked Bree Tanner and Riley better in their movie incarnations than in the Eclipse book. I've not read The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner: An Eclipse Novella yet so maybe some of their character development came from there, but still, nice job.

Anyone else catch the reference to Taylor Lautner et al in the penultimate episode of ABC Family's series Greek?

Seems there's a cute religious guy who now thinks he might be gay. He's been to see New Moon half a dozen times...

She could have been in the scool office scene as a secretary. Or in the Cafeteria as a lunch lady. She could have been a nurse in the Forks emergency room. She could have been a sales lady at the dress shop or the hostess at La Bella Italia resturant in Port Angeles, or one of the patrons, maybe even the one obsessed with cats! She could also have been another guest in the Phoenix Hotel or a nurse in the Phoenix Hospital (I understand SM lives near Phoenix).

Of all of the locales that she wrote about in her books, it just seemed strange to me that the location they choose for her cameo is one location that they created outta whole cloth in the screenplay. The one place she never wrote about.

Most likely it IS just a coincidence but there's an old saying... "There are no coincidences."

Anyone elese kinda curious WHY we never found out who Embry's dad was? I'm wondering if there was a story point there that SM worked on but was never satisfied with.

Grace wrote: "Yah, I knew she was in the Movie."

Yes, but my question WAS... Don't you find it interesting that the one scene she's in is NOT one of the settings she wrote about?

Anyone else find it interesting that the scene she appears in is at the diner? The diner doesn't appear in any of her books. I wonder if there wasn't some significance that being her cameo. Either on her part or on the part of the director.