“And, believe it or not, on a number of occasions it was Mike Pence that was stepping in to help him out. The shared Indiana connection made a difference. Now, I want to be absolutely clear about this. Pence was a coward in almost every other respect. But the one place where he kind of stuck his neck out was if the issue or the person involved was very Hoosier. He feels strong about people from Indiana. That’s probably a result of him having run for governor two times.”