“When people tell me that I’m good, my response is, ‘I’m trying.’ But there’s some people that know me from back when—anytime I make that trip to New York—and when they hear I’m the pastor of a church, all of a sudden, it’s like “I know you gettin’ paid, boy. I know you gettin’ paid. I know you.’” He paused. His voice lowered. “No, I say. You knew me. You knew that person, but you don’t know the person that I’m trying to become.”