Vampire Book Club discussion

Hi guys! It's November and most of us have, in our hot little hands, a copy of Iced. I'm starting off the discussion by asking one thing about a character you either love or hate. Me? I like him. Would I have him dinner and leave sharp knives near him? Absolutely not. But then again, JZB probably shouldn't be near sharp, pokey things either. So, now it's question time. What is your opinion of Cruce and his role in this book?

If Cruce was Vlane than I think he's got a soft side to him that's for sure . Vavavavoooooom! but what spoiled it for me was when he said he hated being in Vlane's body . Why? lol

The Cruce scenes were kind of annoying for me. I have a hard time thinking of Cruce as Vlane and the scenes with him took away from the main narrative.

A character I hate is Ryoden, because he's an abusive, manipulative, pedophile...I have a hard time seeing past the fact that Dani is 14. I don't care if she is going to be epic some day, right now she is a child and it's weird.

I am super sad with the way Christian has turned out. He was my favorite nonMac or Barrons character and it was almost physically painful for me to read.

I wanted more Lor. I hope he's got a bigger part in the next book, because his exchanges with Dani were great.

Cruce didn't really pop for me in this book. I forgot about him, actually, whenever he wasn't in the scene. He's like that annoying actor in an otherwise engaging film that every time he appears on screen you're like, oh, him. Again. Great. And then you're racing through the pages to get to the next part that he's not in.

Amanda wrote: "I wanted more Lor. I hope he's got a bigger part in the next book, because his exchanges with Dani were great.

Cruce didn't really pop for me in this book. I forgot about him, actually, whenever ..."

Great analogy, "oh him," lol

Naoms wrote: "The Cruce scenes were kind of annoying for me. I have a hard time thinking of Cruce as Vlane and the scenes with him took away from the main narrative.

A character I hate is Ryoden, because he's a..."

Naoms: Agree with you on the Cruce part. He didn't have enough of a part to make it interesting enough to interupt the rest of the story for, more like annoying filler setting up for something else.

But I have to totally disagre with the rest, sorry :) I loved Ryodan in this book, his arrogance is at a level to rival even Barrons arrogance. He is mysterious and sexy and I don't see pedophile at all. I think both him and Christian see that Dani is still only 14 and needs to mature. I see their possesiveness as their way of protecting her from other predators until that time she is mature and then they will stake their claim. As for Dani being a child, even at 14 I don't see Dani as a typical child, she does need to mature more sure but she isn't a typical 14 year old at all.

Now Christian, I absolutely loved the way KMM made his character so complex. In all her other books all the McKeltars were always the good guys and rightous in everything. It is great to see the way Christian is struggling with being that good human guy and fighting with his unseelie urges (and sometimes losing the fight). I like the just plain creepiness about him,the way he seems to go from human thoughts to unsellie thoughts without even noticing it, but also his gentleness with regards to his emotions for Dani, even though he knows they are wrong. Basically loved everything about the book.

Amanda wrote: "I wanted more Lor. I hope he's got a bigger part in the next book, because his exchanges with Dani were great.

Cruce didn't really pop for me in this book. I forgot about him, actually, whenever ..."

I have to agree about Lor. I didn't think much of him at first, but as the book went on, I really wanted more of him.

I think there's obviously more to the Cruce storyline than we get in this book. I am interested to see where KMM takes it because it's obviously not finished yet.

I agree with Noreen dat Ryodan and Christian (and I think even Dancer) realize that Dani is too young...yet. I felt R & D really just want to make sure she does get to grow up. Like they know they'll want the woman she'll become. Christian...well, Christian-Christian may know he'll want the woman she'll become...but then there's unseelie-prince-Christian...