Breaking Dawn discussion

Would they be 3 parts; vampire-human-wolf? If so, what's the name for that? How could they turn into a wolf and be a vampire?

I was thinking this same thing the othere day :/

If they had a kid it would be 1/4 vampire, 1/4 werewolf, and 2/4 human. It would probably be a blood sucking werewolf.

Peace wrote: "Abby wrote: "If they had a kid it would be 1/4 vampire, 1/4 werewolf, and 2/4 human. It would probably be a blood sucking werewolf."

lol yea that would be half or quarter of everything.."

Yeah, but if you look at it that seems like the only logical explanation for what their child would be like.

I figure it would be more of a shifter/human than anything else.

I don't know why some say part human and part wolf. All the shape shifters are part human. None of them are "Full" wolves. Embry's mother didn't carry the gene since she wasn't even part of the tribe, yet Embry is just as much as a shifter than the others.

Anyways, I think it would be a normal shape shifter/human with very subtle vampire traits.

The species question always throws me off for a couple of reasons.

The way I understand it, Supes aren't different species, they are humans with supernatural abilities.

Jake is human with shape shifting tendencies (he's not a lycan/werewolf, he's a shifter). Renesmee is human with vampire tendencies (she appears to be human but loves blood). Edward explains vampirism as an evolution of some type, so Renesmee would be one of these evolved humans.

Their children would be human. Those kids could take after mom or dad, just like all children born to humans. Maybe the kid would shift into a puppy or have marble skin. Maybe he/she would get all the recessive human genes and just be a Twilight Squib. It's hard to say since genetics seem random sometimes.

As a personal note: a vampire/lycan hybrid has been done before, to great effect, in the Underworld series. I think it's a pretty good idea she stopped where she did.

they children would be half wolf half human and half vampire

hybrids ^_^

I'm thinking about Klaus from vampire diaries.

Although to keep it somewhat original. The kid can be able to transform into a werewolf and in natural form forever look like a human/vampire like Edward n the others.

Peace wrote: "did it say in the book that ren was hybrid she is half human/vam type of thing?"

Not a hybrid - that's werewolf and vampire mix. I think it was something to do with immortal? Not an immortal child though since those are vampires that are kids.

Though i know a dhampir is a vampire that's born of a human mother w/ a vampire dad

Maybe one of the wolf and vampire genes will be dominant,then it would't be that interesting so let's cut that idea. How about the children will be immortal,(not aging) and a wolf? Leaving out the vampire stuff but taking an aspect of it(the non-aging thing). That, I feel, is a bit more less disgusting and it'll be cool.

Peace wrote: "i wondering what kind of name, would they name their kid?"

They'll name him/her the mothers' names(if it's a girl) smashed together(Bella+ Sarah=Salla) or the fathers' names(Edward+Billy=Edly or Biward)

Peace wrote: "but was it something like carlie cullen at the end.."

because Bella was sure she was gonna have only one baby, they threw both the fathers' and mothers' name on one baby whereas I don't think Jacob and Renesmee are gonna have one baby because the baby won't harm Renesmee when it's in her womb which makes it possible to have multiple babies.

a Homowolpire.:P

According to Meyer's reasoning, all it takes to breed is to have the same number of chromosomes. So any of their children would be... snails. Snails have 24 chromosomes just like Jake and Nessie.

:)

well if it was a wolf\vamp it would be called a werepier. and if it was wolf\human well then he\she would just be a shifer.

Abby wrote: "If they had a kid it would be 1/4 vampire, 1/4 werewolf, and 2/4 human. It would probably be a blood sucking werewolf."

yeah he's gonna be a blood sucking vampire.LOL

If they had a child, he/she would be totally conflicted. Werewolves and vampires are supposed to be natural enemies, so once the kid was old enough to phase...he'd keep trying to kill himself...

Rel8tivity wrote: "If they had a child, he/she would be totally conflicted. Werewolves and vampires are supposed to be natural enemies, so once the kid was old enough to phase...he'd keep trying to kill himself..."

I'd read that story! :D

I'm still wondering if everyone just skipped over the part in Breaking Dawn where Edward said that they are not werewolves, they are shapeshifters. Jacob is *no* part wolf.

Their child would be one quarter vampire, three quarters human and have a possibility of carrying the shape shifter gene.

Libbie wrote: "I'm still wondering if everyone just skipped over the part in Breaking Dawn where Edward said that they are not werewolves, they are shapeshifters. Jacob is *no* part wolf.

Their child would be on..."

Part of the problem with pinning this down, is that Meyer was all over the map. It all depends on which part of her narrative you want to hang your argument on.

Jacob supposedly has 24 chromosomes. Carlisle couldn't resist checking when he was treating him after the newborn invasion in Eclipse. So according to modern science, Jacob is either a new species, or has a birth defect. Now considering some of the tribe do not phase, we'd have to consider this a birth defect. If that is the case, Jacob is full human.

According to the tribal legends related in Eclipse, Taha Aki spirit walked and merged with a wolf. Over time they spirit walked with wolves so much they took on wolf traits. This is more of a magic explanation, so then the tribe would be part wolf.

Personally, I don't pay much attention to the werewolf/shapeshifter distinction. I think it was just Meyer using a dumb plot device to weasel out of a confrontation, like the rest of the non-battle in BD. They were described and labeled as "werewolves" through most of the first three books. Then when Meyer needs to get out of a plot jam, she changes the definition at the end. This is almost, but not quite, as bad as her breaking the no baby rule. So I just say they're werewolves.

And in a way, that decision not to attack the wolves was out of character for Caius. If he hates werewolves so much (having almost been killed by one) and he's as amoral as he's been portrayed, he wouldn't have cared if they were shapeshifters. He'd have said, "Looks like a werewolf, smells like a werewolf, kills vampires. Kill 'em all!!" He was looking for excuses to attack the Cullens anyway.

I see a tv series coming for twilight to answer questions...

Abby wrote: "If they had a kid it would be 1/4 vampire, 1/4 werewolf, and 2/4 human. It would probably be a blood sucking werewolf."

That'd be interesting. But is there enough human in her to make her compatible with the vampire's mortal enemy; the wolf? I mean, those vampire/human hybrids have a random possibility to carry venom. If Renesmee's child happened to have that venom, by random chance, and then crossed with the wolf genes...it'd be its own worst enemy. It would be an unnatural combination and the chance of death would be too great.

quatre vampire, half or full werewolf because of the genes...? :P

Human / vampire / werewolf

Since Nessie is not venomous, stops aging at 17 or so, so she is like vampire girls, frozen, therefore I dont think she is able to have any babies.

True, but even Leah cannot have babies, and she is half human too, as long as she is not ageing, she cant have babies. I think it only fair that same would apply for Nessie...

As it was explained, that is how I understand it. Leah would probably will be able to have b abies, once she stops changing and will start ageing. For Nessie, I guess some people could argue that she could get pregnant before she stops ageing, but I dont think it very logical, because her body chages in the whole different way, that is not compatible with pregnancy.

I'm not sure, since Renesmee is kind of a hybrid, half-human, half-vampire, she might be sterile. But, I guess if Meyer wanted her to, Renesmee and Jacob would be able to have kids. Nobody took vampire/human procreation in the books as a possibility until this. I sure didn't, it sure was a shocker when I read it!

Maybe Meyer would make a story about that

But Jaboc is not a werewolf, possibly they childrens be like the ancients of Jacob and they transform in some animal.

I don't think she can have kids because she is part vampire and once a female becomes a vampire they can't have kids

Veronika wrote: "For Nessie, I guess some people could argue that she could get pregnant before she stops ageing, but I dont think it very logical, because her body chages in the whole different way, that is not compatible with pregnancy"

Not only that, but if Meyer were to go that way, there's no way to avoid the major "ick" factor, because she's supposed to stop aging after 7 years. Sexually active before 7? Maybe she's not physically 7, but she'll still only have 7 years of life experience. Physically mature, mentally a child. Serious "ew", there.

they would be one half werewolf, one forth human, and one forth vampire
interesting

their name could be jenescob :D

hopefully we won't find out in a new book. That would be tragic.

Isabel =) wrote: "they children would be half wolf half human and half vampire"

that's not possible, that would be one and a half
?????????

Laura wrote: "Would they be 3 parts; vampire-human-wolf? If so, what's the name for that? How could they turn into a wolf and be a vampire?"

Can she even have kids?? I know she changes and grows but what if once she meets maturity, her body "freezes". Remember, she'll never die.

But I think they would be more human than anything, because Jacob is technically more human, he eats food and can be cut, have broken bones n such. I don't think they could change into wolves tho, maybe even less in touch with their vampire side.

Interesting question. Now I'm all wondering LOL

If Renesmee and Jacob? Black have children. Their children will be. Much than that. But there will be still hybrids. There will be.werepyre-hybrid's

Just saying I mean, I like it like that. I take their children more into intact.

As I remember it (could be wrong, it's been a while), human-vampire hybrids don't freeze in the same way vampires do because they still have a heartbeat and warm blood pumping through them and their insides can work like humans, because they don't need blood to survive, they can live off normal food.

So if freezing for a hybrid just means not aging anymore, then Renesmee could be perfectly capable of getting pregnant.

i think the baby (or babies) could be named either: Billarlie (BILLycArlislecharLIE) or Bellesme (BELLaReneesme/Esme)

The child would be half human, half vampire, and half wolf.

I think that their kid would be Yoda

No I think she would just have a gift that would not be as strong as the other vampires, but pretty powerful. I wonder if she would be able to phase into a wolf

Olivia wrote: "Adi wrote: "The child would be half human, half vampire, and half wolf."

yea prob i think that what their kid might come out, cause Haley kid (TO) she had kid that was like half half wolf/vamp/ wi..."

I completely agree!!! It ended though!! The season is gonna air soon, but it's gonna be the last one

Olivia wrote: "if alice can see almost everyone,that includes the whole volirty(cant spell that 1) why cant she see Ren?"

Renesmee has the same number of chromosomes as the shifters/wolves, so it must have something to do with that, I'm assuming.

Laura wrote: "Would they be 3 parts; vampire-human-wolf? If so, what's the name for that? How could they turn into a wolf and be a vampire?"

Renesmee can survive on human food alone, so her children would have that trait as well. The Cullens drink animal blood, and Jacob has survived by eating animals as well, so Renesmee and Jacobs children would do the same.

Usually one parent's genes can dominate over the other during conception. And this can be on a child on child basis. I've seen in families where all of the children take after one parent ... and where the children are a mix of taking after one or the other parent.

In this case, we can say that Jacob will be the dominant factor, and all of the children will be shifters. (But will they only shift into the wolf form, or will they be able to shift into any form they wish? Another question for another day.) But these shifters will be bigger and stronger than the 'regular' shifters, because they will have the characteristics of their mother's vampire side. Their flesh will withstand sharp weapons. But perhaps not to the extent that the vampires are able to. *shrugs*

Perhaps too, because Renesmee isn't venomous, her children won't be either. (Though Nahuel's male offspring most likely _will_ be venomous.) And the fear of what Renesmee and Jacob have conceived will no doubt bring the Volturi back for a rematch.

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Renesmee grows, so she isn't 'set in stone' like her family. Therefore her children won't be 'hard as rocks' either. And with a human/shifter father, they will be even more pliable than their mother.

I don't believe that Renesmee will ever be as hard/solid as her family, though she will be harder and more solid than a normal human. I think this will allow for her to have children ... and that since she and Jacob are genetically compatible, her pregnancies will have a more normal gestation period. Maybe not a full nine months, but certainly longer than one month.

I also think that Renesmee's fertile period will be limited. She becomes an adult at seven years of age, but I think she will remain more pliable for a number of years before she becomes more solid, and incapable of conceiving. JMHO Which could change if another idea comes to light.

As to what the children would be classified as ... hmm ... I'll have to give that more thought.

Veronika wrote: "As it was explained, that is how I understand it. Leah would probably will be able to have b abies, once she stops changing and will start ageing. For Nessie, I guess some people could argue that s..."

Leah can go back to being a shifter after a while, if her mate is immortal as well, that is. She can just choose not to shift for the number of children she wants, and after the child is a few years old, go back to shifting. *shrugs* Say, take 10 years to have a number of kids, and when the youngest is, say five, she goes back to shifting.

If it was 3 supernaturals of a hybrid then it's called tribrid.

I’m just wondering how Nessie is not venomous? What about that other halfblood? From the tribe. He said he “turned his Aunt”. So how is it he’s venomous and she isn’t?

Also, if venom was so fatal to Werewolves, then wouldn’t they have all died in Eclipse during the battle?