The Black Tower discussion

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Im not even finished with this thing yet and i have to talk about it. All your amol spoilers are welcome here. Im so happy moiraine got in there fairly early. about damn time we see a randland U.N. meeting.

Damn, missed this one when I made this discussion...

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

its cool im surecwe will have enough spoilers for both

i am so ready for a Moiraine Cadsuane showdown. anybody gotten therecyet?

so what did everybody think about the "flame of tarvalon" weave that healed the cracks in the pattern? i loved that entire scene.

pretty sweet, like how they made a counter to balefire, i always thought it was kinda stupid that nothing could counter balefire

I liked the IDEA of the weave but it was pretty dues ex machina and i hate that about fantasy writing. I was really surprised at how many people died and how long the Black Tower was able to make Dreadlords. Also, Perrin in the wolf-dream was pretty much pointless. I really liked this book but not having Robert Jordan around hurt it a bit at times.

yeah dissapointed on the perrin storyline, although he's probably ruler of saldea now so it didn't end too bad for him.

Very surprised at the egwene's death, last thing i expected, although i was more gutted by siuans death.

Although it needed a few deaths it really got you thinking it might go wrong, in a few pages, bela dies, faile looks to be dead, egwene dies, olver surrounded by trollocs holding the horn that it looks like can't be blwon by him, briggitte dead and elayne going to be gutted but the children being born so still fulfilling mins viewing.

I liked the flame of Tar Valon, but none of the other Aes Sedei saw the weave?? or at least none of the others used it? seems kind of odd. I don't think it dues ex machina, everything has an opposite it has been a theme throughout the whole series. Had it been discovered earlier the affect it would have had on the reader would have been diminished.

I enjoyed Perrin's storyline although he has long been my favorite. I think the wolf dream was very important, even if just for the placement of the dreamspike. But I really liked when he was hunting slayer jumping back and forth between worlds.

At Bela's death I breathed a sigh of relief finally one of the damn horses died it's crazy that the characters kept the same horse alive throughout the whole series with all the battles they fought.

2 things i didn't like about Oliver
1. i didn't like how the whole series it was like, "mats the horn blower, mats the horn blower. but then he didn't even need to be the one.
2. i always expected olver to be gaidal. i mean hes really ugly, they mention that several times, and brigette always says she likes really ugly men. but then Oliver isn't.

Yeah I was hoping the same with gaidal and olver but briggitte said he had been born, must check the books again but when brigette mentioned gaidal being born, I think it may have happened around the time matt met Oliver.

As for the horn, never the matt bit, although I was expecting it he did die twice, what got me was we find out at the end that the shadow never could have used it.

The Olver/Gaidal thing was effectively put to bed when Jordan stated outright that he was not.

I am betting that Elayne will spend the next few decades trying to find the woman that Birgitte was born to at the end. Sounds like the quest that started Moraine, just on a much less important scale.

Bela's death could have been left out, indeed Sanderson wanted her to live, but he was overruled. It does make sense though, she was Egwene's mount leaving Two Rivers and the Waste.

Egwene's death did surprise me, but it also makes sense. Of the original group that left, she was really the only expendable one. The three boys were needed by the pattern, but she was not. I could have seen Nyn dying as well, but only if Lan had been killed.

Was anyone else let down by the fact that all the information we get about Shaidar Haran(superfade) is that his body was a crumpled puile of mush??????

i kinda expected the super fades existance to be one of those "does not get explained" things that Brandon mentioned. my biggest problem with the book was Fain's weak ass conclusion. dont get me wrong as a whole i loved the book, but Fain cold have been so much more.

I definetly expected more from Fain, i think Sanderson said he did too. there was potental too. I thought that when he started babbling about his enemies attacking each other that the light and the shadow might have to temporaly join up to defeat him.

I thought the super fade was explained enough. Moridin specifically says that the Dark One didn't need the vessel any longer. That pretty much means that the super fade was the incarnate version of the dark one, just with severely limited powers.

I just wish we got to see more superfadeness. Not all that much happened with him!