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Jun 30, 2015 06:30PM
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Meat grown from stem cells only requires extremely small herds of animals to supply the stem cells, the animals are not killed for food.They found a practical use for stem cells, you can eat them. Because it's all hand made for now, I'm sure they can lower the production costs substantially as time goes on. All they have to do is not go for big profits right out of the box, just sell it cheap, undermine the traditional beef industry, and then raise prices later on. The name of the cow, especially exotic high priced cows whose steaks cost a hundred bucks or more should be enough enticement to generate enough business to make it practical. Giving the product a fancy proper name instead of just calling it beef meat would turn the law around that says that only beef meat raised on an animal can be called meat. Plus you could advertise it as not being meat which would generate a new market of meat eating meatless vegetarians. I could also see the industrial medical stem cell market looking for a more controllable source of stem cells so the two industries could be mutually self supporting.
https://youtu.be/bjSe-0vSRMY
Robert wrote: "Meat grown from stem cells only requires extremely small herds of animals to supply the stem cells, the animals are not killed for food.I still couldn’t eat this. I’ve been a vegetarian for too long.
http://climatevegan.org/also scientists in a huge study scientists found that teh death rate of those who follow high protein low carb diet is much higher than in those who follow high crab moderate protein diets
Here is the study :
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...
A natural diet really is best
Jimmy wrote: "It will help others though."I agree with that. Meat lovers can have their meat without any animals having to die.
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https://www.ecowatch.com/first-of-its...
That is not good news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKCPG...Being vegan lightens the load of the environment and on the vegans body more than anything else . It is said that if every one were to become vegan it would do much more good that giving up all fossil fuel,use
and even if no one else becomes vegan the vegan will be saved from so many diseases such as cancer, hear attack and arthritis so the vegans effort will not be wasted . They will still benefit .
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http://www.afghancultureunveiled.com/...
Unfortunately, I don't see how women like this will survive once Afghanistan returns to "normal."
Your point taken but no one these parts of the world will die if everyone in the parts of the world where people do not have to rely on meat eating to survive became vegan . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTsF...
Were are talking about 75-90% of the world's population being wiped out if global warming is not mitigated . So if any one can become vegan without starving to death they should .
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You would think things like the massive decline of insects around the world, for example, would be in large print on the front page of every newspaper in the world. Just not happening.
Fake news isn't always fiction. It can be a story where every fact is true but only half the story is presented. Or only the cherry picked facts that make for the rosiest picture. At the end of the day its all fake news. Nothing can change the fact that the animal industry causes more problems than it solves. The fake meat story, a play on words. The writers of the story have no idea how fake meat will be made, only an example done in a very small scale scenario. So they have no idea how much energy will be needed for the final product. For all we know it could end up being a low energy operation grown in vats as the waste product of genetically modified bacteria that are designed to poop large quantities of meat like protein. Or grown in fields like all the rest of the plants.
With 8 billion people and counting even the most seemingly innocent of practices can have immense repercussions good or bad. When there were hundreds of millions of people on the planet, people could do pretty much what they wanted to. The dented part of the Natural World always bounced back. Even a billion wasn't a big deal. It's not even the entire Natural World that's looking at a crossroads, only the zone we live in. At 8 billion the question is can we continue using practices that have served us for the past 10,000 years.
Jimmy wrote: "No argument from me on that. I just don't know how we can turn it around. I'm just looking for creative ideas on how to make the change. You would think things like the massive decline of insects..."
One creative idea is for us as individuals to grow "morris heading(species ) collards in the winter (either on our own landor in community gardens) This species of collards is sweet and tender and grows back from the stalk when cut . It has all the calcium , vitamin A and C , protein and phytonutrients a human needs to sat very healthy all winter long...We grow this in our community and it is so abundant that none of us ever have to grocery shop from november 1 til april 1 --we can live off collards , butter nut squash, muscadine grapes ( frozen from our vineyards) and grains and legumes and flax seeds /nuts all winter and be in perfect health. Cruciferous veggies ( teh ones that group all winter in zones 9, 8 , 7 and most of winter in zone 6 and 5 are teh most nutrient dense of all foods on earth )
BTW I dont understand how in any temperate area of the world one with enough water to raise veggies would have to rely on meat since it takes 10 x more water per calorie to raise meat than veggies . As a farmer I know that any land that has warm enough temperatures and enough water to support human life can raise beans since bean dont need any fertilizer --they make their own nitrogen from the air --any one who can get enough water to raise chickens or goats can raise enough beans and greens to last through a long winter as long as they get 4-5 months frosty free months ( collards can grow and thrive down to 10F - the only places where folks would HAVE to eat meat to live would be extreme polar latitude cut off from exports of beans and grains and seeds --all or which can be cooked for protein , carbs and fat and sprouted to get vitamins A and C and chlorophyll) and that would be very few indeed . it would not include afghanistan
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Perhaps as societies evolve into corporations they become to unwieldy to mature the way people do.
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It should succeed because it's food made to taste good. Then other places will take it up so they won't be left behind. There is probably a lot more variations possible in the meatless burger world than in the meat burger world. The race to become the best artificial, synthetic, whatever the meatless meat ends up being called is on. Large corporations have a lot of control of how things work, especially when they make a popular item at an affordable cost, something that usually gets lost in the process. So far the Burger King soy burger costs a dollar more than the meat burger. Two smaller chains have already started selling the soy burger.
Tyson, the world's second largest meat processor is partnering with the meatless company competing against the company supplying Burger King with soy burgers. This is contrary to how the combustion car industry treated electric cars and the power companies treat alternative energy. Apparently the meat distribution industry (not the growers) recognizes that food is food no matter where it comes from, unlike the car industry that doesn't know a car is a car no matter what powers it. Or the power industry that doesn't realize energy is energy no matter where it comes from.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/20...
The natural label has an interesting rule book."Celery juice powder is naturally high in nitrates. Additionally, many Natural Choice items also contain lactic acid starter, a bacterial culture. The Center for Science in the Public Interest said bacterial cultures convert the nitrates into sodium nitrite, a meat preservative it warns should be avoided because studies link its consumption by children and pregnant women to cancer. (CSPI for this reason specifically advises consumers to be wary of “natural” hot dogs and cured meats boasting of “no added nitrite.”)"
I have seen many items with celery juice as an ingredient and always thought it was just an attempt to not waste anything.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ho...
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/mc...McDonalds is better off marketing their meatless burger as another kind of food instead of as an alternative to meat. There are far more more customers eating meat and meatless than just meatless. Get the market on firm ground first, before trying to replace meat. They are trying it out in Europe but not the US.
This survey might explain why
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/20...
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https://voxpopulisphere.com/2021/04/1...
Synthetic salmon is now grown in vats. Other meats, such as chicken are also being grown in vats, factory style.Wildtype Wants To Bring Sushi-Grade, Lab-Grown Salmon To The Masses. It looks and tastes just like salmon.
For chicken and beef, the creation of Good Meat’s 10 new bioreactors is under way, the company says, each of which has a capacity of 250,000 litres and will stand four storeys tall, far bigger than any constructed to date.
https://www.livekindly.com/sushi-grad...
https://www.theguardian.com/environme...
Cultivated meat, formerly known as lab grown meat, being used as an alternative to live stock meat is running into roadblocks that prevent it from being sold to the public. Italy and a few US states, Florida, Alabama and Iowa, have passed laws banning the sale of cultivated meat. France is working on legislation to ban cultivated meat.
The European Union has banned the cloning of farm animals that would be used for commercial purposes. The US has not banned cloning of farm animals for commercial purposes.
Cultivated meat can be grown in vats. It starts as a few cells which are fed nutrients from which are grow into lumps of meat. Companies have been working on scaling up the operation to make it cheaper and easier to make. There are many different ways to grow the meat based on the structure the meat grows on. Bioreactors are devices which use mechanical, chemical, and energy sources to produce the meat.
The laws are made for the benefits of farmers and meat producers that only use traditional methods of meat production and processing.
Big name meat production companies such as JBS, Tyson and others are actively pursuing efforts to produce cultivated meat for large scale use. For them its a source of meat that is not subject to the uncontrollable effects of climate change, a product they can produce themselves.
Us, Chins, Israel, Australia, Singapore, Canada, Hong Kong, Czech Republic, Turkey, Spain, India, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Japan, Netherlands, are actively pursing cultivated meat programs with a goal of providing meat to everyone from the rich to those with not enough food to eat.
Around 40 companies are working on cultivated meat, a few are producing it in commercial quantities. Some are working towards being a stand alone companies while other will be be absorbed by big corporations that are looking for ready made solutions.
A parallel industry is using bacterial fermentation to produce live stock by products. This includes milk, honey, eggs, cheese, gelatin, chitin, dairy proteins, egg proteins, sweeteners, enzymes, vitamins, fats, and pigments. All of which is being used commercially, though some are in limited quantities.
https://www.wusf.org/politics-issues/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture...
In the last few years, meatless meat consumption has leveled off in the US. In other parts of the world meatless meat consumption has continued to increase. Public opinion in those countries expresses more concern for the consequences of trying to produce enough meat to feed a growing global population.Over all, public opinion in the US is more or less more interested in the taste of the product and less interested in the impact on the environment.
Some of the meatless meat companies are working on new ways of making the same products with new advertising.
Other countries where meatless meat use has been increasing have much lower populations than the US. These populations are more comparable to populations of individual states.
On a state by state level, some states have increased their consumption of meatless meat. Others have not. The use of meatless products is not across the board, financially well off and younger people are more likely to try meatless products.
Not all of the world's countries are increasing meatless meat consumption. The recent growth of meatless meat globally was 6 billion dollars. A the same time, the growth of the meat market was 302 billion dollars.
The state by state interest in meatless meat probably reflects the interest by the world's countries.
Marketing plays a big role in getting people to include more meatless products in their diets. Besides meat, there are also meatless diary products, such as cheese and milk. Some of those plant based products have their own environmental concerns. Like all other news events, fake news and political posturing have entered the meatless meat market.
The meat processing industry is investing in the meatless meat business. The pushback to meatless products comes mainly from the growers of the animals and companies that sell the meat products at the consumer level.
Chipotle, a quality food, high end fast food chain is one of Meati’s biggest investors. Meati collects spores from mushroom roots, feeds them sugar and ferments them in stainless steel tanks full of water. In four days, a single microscopic spore can produce the equivalent of a whole cow’s worth of meat.
Cargill, the giant agricultural company, is working on plant based meat substitutes, as are other agricultural powerhouses. These companies are already totally immersed in the plant for food business, from the fields to the consumer. It's just one more product for them.
https://projects.apnews.com/features/...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1...
https://news.txst.edu/the-conversatio...
https://www.cargill.com/story/making-...
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A perception of the food as unhealthy whether it contains meat, fish, veggie burger or non-meat content could be overcome. This might encourage more vegans, who are usually nutrition conscious, to eat in these places. And the more who request non-meat food, the more it will be promoted.
