History Buffs United discussion

Thought I should open a topic on my specialty. =) This is for discussion on anything from Baliol to Bruce.

can't think for one second why someone would want to be independant from me : )

I have a WIP that deals with the battle of Arthuret (in the mid 6th century); the pagan king Gwenddollau resisting conquest by christian king Peredur and others. Sort of pre-Scot but evidence that folks north of the wall have been fighting for independence since forever.

I'm afraid that some of them fought for independence against my Dal Riadan ancestors ere mine joined in to resist in later wars for independence.

Great topic. rich in things to talk about.

John wrote: "can't think for one second why someone would want to be independant from me : )"

Me either, John. I get the feeling your overlordship would be both gentle and entertaining.

John's not Edward Longshanks, haha ;P

Yes as soon as the Romans left Britain everyone decided to fight each other again. It's been quite a while since I read about the uniting of the clans and all that that pre-dates the medieval era, but very interesting stuff there.

My ancestors were with Bruce. Here follows is my Wikipedia Kirkpatrick entry more than you ever wanted to know about me:

Roger de Kirkpatrick was an attendant to Robert Bruce during the time when Bruce murdered Red Comyn. Kirkpatrick legend has it that the chiefly motto is derived from Roger Kirkpatrick's killing of Sir John (Red) Comyn. Upon meeting Comyn in the church of the Greyfriars at Dumfries, Bruce confronted Comyn with accusations of his treachery. A scuffle broke out; during which Bruce stabbed Comyn with his dagger. Horrified, Bruce fled from the church to his escorts and told them, "I doubt I have slain the Comyn." Kirkpatrick cried, "Sire, You doubtest so? I'll mak sikkar!" ("I'll make sure"), whereupon he rushed the church and finished off the wounded Comyn. Sir Roger Kirkpatrick hid with Robert Bruce for three nights to escape retribution from Comyn's family. This event is memorialized in the clan's crest, which contains a hand holding a bloody dagger; and the shield: three pillows on a saltire shield with the Scotland colours, or the St Andrews Cross, reversed (i.e. Kirkpatrick wears a blue saltire on a white ground). It is also memorialized in the Clan's motto, "I Mak Sikkar", or the modernized version "I Make Sure."[3] The family was later pardoned by the Pope

that's quite fascinating, god, l do so love history : )

Hazel wrote: "Thought I should open a topic on my specialty. =) This is for discussion on anything from Baliol to Bruce."

Hazel, your reminded me of my ignorance, I had to google Baliol. It got me to thinking on what your connection is to this topic other than your writing.

Very unfortunately, my ancestor is Edward 1 (Longshanks) ):

@Steven: very interesting!

@Zachary, that's okay, I have a feeling my Irish ancestors were traitors to Ireland. Hopefully they stayed out of the troubles all together :P

Yeah, my ancestors were royalty. Some were good, such as Henry 3, but others, like Longshanks, not so good.

Well the Plantagenets were an interesting lineage. And it makes for an interesting family history =)

Definitely, my family has spent a long time tracing our history. I just recently went farther than anybody. I have traced it back to Carloman from the 500's cant seem to get farther than that. My grandmother thinks we are descended from King David of the Bible

Wow, that's impressive. My cousin traced our family back to about the 1300s with Ancestry.com but she hasn't shared all the info yet, so I've got to get after her :P Nothing extremely interesting though.

I would have used ancestry.com but I didn't want to pay for documents I already have. My family keeps everything.