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Oh. My. Gosh. I thought I was the only one who thought that. Thank you!

Yeah, I think authors make characters that way to differentiate between common females nowadays and have them appeal more to the male characters.

I for one, am a tomboy but that doesn't mean I go out in slacks and a male t shirt. Though, guys have really comfy shirts...

I see what you're saying, but I'd just consider it to be gentlemanly if a guy offered his seat to me. I wouldn't think anything about it, and I'd probably be flattered. Maybe that's just the difference in where we're from.

Maybe "polite" is a better word, but I think you get what I'm saying.

I agree with H99, Kaylee, and Liane.

To me, the only difference between the sexes is their body parts. Some may argue their tastes vary ("girls like pink, guys like sports, etc") but really it's usually their parents who caused them to like this from a young child. And then as they grow older their surroundings and school give them new ideas on what to like, etc, etc.

So I don't understand why people can hate feminism, because I don't think the genders are really all that different.

Woman and Man are partners.

H99 wrote: "Leah wrote: "Maybe "polite" is a better word, but I think you get what I'm saying."

Yes, I do. I did say that I agree. I'm just saying that this "gentleman" thing had to start somewhere, right?"

Probably with the knights' code of chivalry in the Middle Ages

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?

Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?"

I'm saying girls should be treated as equal and that man and woman were made to complete each other, not to be superior or subservient to.

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?"

I'm saying girls should be treated as equal and that man and woman were made to complete each ot..."

I agree with you on that they should be equal, but not quite on the "made to complete each other" part because I'm not so sure I fullyunderstand that.

Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?"

I'm saying girls should be treated as equal and that man and woman wer..."

Man is there to protect a woman, a woman is there to bring out the gentle side of man. Man is there to support kids, woman is made to bear them. They both have different roles, but are treated equally in them.

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?"

I'm saying girls should be treated as equal and that man a..."

In that I disagree with you.

I don't like that people assume women are weaker emotionally as well as physically because often times it is not true. Whereas a woman is allowed to cry, a man is often harassed if he sheds a tear. That degrades women and puts pressure on men.

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?"

I'm saying girls should be treated as equal and that man a..."

Agreed

Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?"

I'm saying girls should be treat..."

I am not saying man should not cry. Sensitive men are awesome and the body can stand like 37 something of pain and women go through 50? in labor. I am simply saying that they both, though very different, have viable roles that the other cannot fulfill.

H99 wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?"

I'm saying girls should be treat..."

Nicely said.

(Sorry for not contributing--usually I'm full of arguments on this topic but today I'm blaarg)
I agree with both of you.

H99 wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Woman and Man are partners."

What are you trying to say...?"

I'm saying girls should be treat..."

I agree with the parenting thing, it simply comes down to the things that a man can do that a woman can't and what a woman can a man can't and how that goes together with two people.

H99 wrote: "Liane wrote: "H99 wrote: "
I have to say I disagree. Women can support kids, as well. I know that if and when I have kids, I'm NOT going to give up my job so I can raise them. Bearing the kids is t..."

Physically they are. I think women though are more mentally and emotionally stronger.

Liane wrote: "We-ell I hate how some women confuse feminism (a want for equality between genders) with misandry (hatred of men). Women seem to think if you hate men, that makes you a hardcore feminist. Personall..."

I agree only monsters would do something like that

Liane wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "H99 wrote: "Liane wrote: "H99 wrote: "
I have to say I disagree. Women can support kids, as well. I know that if and when I have kids, I'm NOT going to give up my job so I can raise ..."

Wow, that's awful. That's actually ridiculous.



Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "H99 wrote: "Liane wrote: "H99 wrote: "
I have to say I disagree. Women can support kids, as well. I know that if and when I have kids, I'm NOT going to give up my job so I can raise them. Bearing t..."

Not necessarily they aren't. Not all women are the same, just like not all men have the exact same characteristics. Some women maybe mentally/emotionally stronger than me, and vice versa, but not because of their gender; simply because of who they are as a person, despite their gender.

H99 wrote: "Yup. Agreed. Wow... that's great. But that vanished. I'm saying RIGHT NOW. That's very interesting, though.(That last one must have had a lot of hair.)

If a woman is a virgin, THAT IS SO AWESOME!
..."

I agree.
I've heard of girls having "purity balls" where they must keep their virginity until marriage to remain "pure," but they don't have any for men. The closest thing males have to that (I actually forgot the term, sorry) is so they can preserve the female's virginity, not their own.

H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "H99 wrote: "Yup. Agreed. Wow... that's great. But that vanished. I'm saying RIGHT NOW. That's very interesting, though.(That last one must have had a lot of hair.)

If a woman is a virg..."

There seems to also be this myth that women must be pure and perfect, while men can do whatever they want. Double standards.

Liane-- don't like them. They annoy me, because whenever I hear these they're usually said by the people in my school, most of them thinking it's funny and cool to joke about this kind of stuff. I think it's because they don't really know how serious it is.

H99-- my mother actually wanted sons, but she got daughters both times. I don't think it's because she favors boys or anything, like many people do, but rather she wanted to experience the differences of raising a male and a female. Personally I don't think there is much of a difference, if there is one at all, but she doesn't believe me.

Kaylee-- I've never thought about it that way before. I think I don't take that as seriously because (I just looked this up online, don't get mad if I'm wrong) the number of women that get raped a year in the US is roughly 300,000, and the number for men is 93,000, and only 23,307 of rapists were arrested.

Roughly 17,157 were murdered/man-slaughtered and 13,480 people were arrested for murder/manslaughter.

The ratio of number of rape (grammatical errors?) to murder is 5 to 1.
(That was also from the website...because I'm not very good at math I can't verify it.)

Kaylee wrote: "I believe pretty strongly in being considered an equal to a man.

But what I think people need to understand is that sexism goes both ways. Feminism is believing you are equal to opposite sex; fem..."

That was perfect. I can't think of a betterway to describe that. Thanks for saying what I couldn't!

Kaylee wrote: "@Lo

I do understand what you're getting at, but does the fact that the murder rate is not as high as rape make it any less horrid? Is it "okay" to joke about killing someone? Or injuring someone, ..."

That's true. I think it's because while I can actually picture people at my school raping others, I can't picture them murdering or killing.

Liane wrote: "We-ell I hate how some women confuse feminism (a want for equality between genders) with misandry (hatred of men). Women seem to think if you hate men, that makes you a hardcore feminist. Personall..."

You've hit the nail on the head there Liane. I truly believe the soul may be bad, the outer shell doesn't matter. Men get hurt too. And I love being a woman, as long as I'm treated the same, I wouldn't change my gender .

H99 wrote: "Liane wrote: "H99 wrote: "For example, in China, each couple can only have one child, and if the pregnancy turns out to be a daughter, they abort and keep trying until they get a son. That's what I..."

Yeah, my parents lived in China when they had my sister, their first child. I think my mom was disappointed because she did want a male first, but at least she didn't abort her or send her to the orphanage.

Yeah. I can't get through to her about anything considered liberal though--which is a bit weird sometimes, because although she's against everything feminism she is a very good example of an empowering woman.

Liane wrote: "Regarding feminism in general. I remember being introduced to an old man by my parents and the man lamented that "I wasn't a boy, therefore, I couldn't carry on the family name. It's lucky that my ..."

I once argued with my friend's dad (I know that was rude of me, but I've known him for a while) about feminism and such, and he said I was being brainwashed by "lesbian rights" older sister who had taught me these things.

I'm not offended that he thought she was lesbian, I'm just upset that he automatically assumed that every feminist and gay rights supporter was a lesbian.

H99 wrote: "http://whoneedsfeminism.tumblr.com/

I like this, and some of the things said on there disgust and sicken me, like this one:

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Yup. I read a few pages of it a few da..."

This just...it makes me so mad.

Lia wrote: "Do you guys think that men are being subject to reverse-sexism as well?"

Absolutely

Lia wrote: "Do you guys think that men are being subject to reverse-sexism as well?"

Yes. I think H99 said it best.



Lia wrote: "I was talking to my brother on the way home from kendo class and I'm ashamed to say that I lost my temper during a talk on the Philippines' constitutional laws.

I was talking about concubinage law..."

That is awful. I think I heard that on the news once--something like a woman didn't want to marry one man, so her father, her supposed-fiance, and a couple of other men stoned her and cut off her nose.

Kaylee wrote: "

Recently I've been paying more and more attention to feminism, and I've begun to realize that what some consider feminism, and even some of my own beliefs, are conflicting.

I found this on the ..."

I agree with you. It's all very confusing. For example, girls who are "tomboys" are often appreciated/praised by others, but boys who are sensitive or have other "feminine" traits are teased and made fun of. However, girls with more "feminine" characteristics are noticed more.

H99 wrote: "Ramya wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "

Recently I've been paying more and more attention to feminism, and I've begun to realize that what some consider feminism, and even some of my own beliefs, are confli..."

I don't think it's something to be praised, but it isn't something to be looked down on either. It's just that girl's preference.
And for guys being made fun of for having "feminine" attributes, I think that's dumb. It's sort of saying being a girl is the worst thing possible.

I would call myself a feminist, and I'll admit, that I do say things that could easily be called out for misandry, but most feminists dont hate men. As one myself, I can say that when I make a sexist comment, it is usually because I am frustrated or angry (I know it's not an excuse, and I'm not proud of it). But that's the only thing that (a) seems to make people listen and (b) put obnoxious boys in their place (I am not making a generalization here). But feminism today is not about fighting for equal rights in law, but that in society. If anyone is interested, "Everyday Feminism" is a very good site to check out if you want to understand more about it. And I do understand that we feminists should learn to scale back our anger, but as you all know, it's hard not to flip out over something you care about.

But what I really can't stand is when I am trying to get a point through, such as the rape-culture in society or fat-shaming, people aren't willing to listen. They don't say: "Thank you for making me aware of societies problems." They say: "Calm down (insert bad word here)". I have even been told by my mother that I am just trying to be a rebellious teenager-which really disappoints me. I don't wake up everyday and say: "Yay! Let's invent problems and tell everyone else!"

So that's just me addressing all these misconceptions about feminists. Those who claim to be feminists and are for women's superiority, aren't really what they claim to be. Misandry is not feminism.

I AM A PROUD FEMINIST

Kaylee wrote: "Question about "Men's Rights":

Do you think this should even be a thing? Because men are "oppressed" by feminism?

(Which I think is ridiculous, by the way)"

men's rights? hahaha
men have always had the 'rights' and dominance evr since civilisation.

Agreed, Lia.

No problem! :)

@H99
Well I find men subconsciously tend to feel oppressed by it because they were taught to feel superior.

@H99
I think it takes a man who is very secure in their masculinity to become a feminist. I dont think it makes them less "masculine". (I know, I'm not really responding to what you said, but whatever)

I've heard from people of both genders who claim they are "equalists", but isn't that the same as a feminists?
I think some males who believe in equality don't consider themselves feminists bc of the "femi-" part of the word. They think it makes them sound "girly", whatever that means.

Kaylee wrote: "I think "equalist" is applied to race, gender, sexual orientation, and a lot of things. But feminism is just gender equality."

yup.

I am a full supporter of feminism in its true form. Feminism in its true form should embrace feminine culture while doing away with the "women are weak" social stigma and encouraging the thought that women are just as good as men just the way they are. But "new wave feminism" is something I can wholeheartedly hate. That is basically matriarchy. It does away with all things feminine, like make-up and fashion, and asserts that women should be more like men- tough and aggressive. Which is ironically one of the most misogynistic things ever.

You guys are also misinterpreting what men's rights is. Men's rights, in it's truer form, is an attempt to throw the expectation of men to be tough and brutish, and remove the taboo regarding men showing emotion or participating in activities regarded as 'girly'. It also tries to bring male rape to light as a serious issue and bring things like military conscription to both genders, not just men.

Jake wrote: "I am a full supporter of feminism in its true form. Feminism in its true form should embrace feminine culture while doing away with the "women are weak" social stigma and encouraging the thought th..."

*claps jake* GO JAKE!!!!!!!!!!

Jake wrote: "I am a full supporter of feminism in its true form. Feminism in its true form should embrace feminine culture while doing away with the "women are weak" social stigma and encouraging the thought th..."

THANK YOU! Man, you just took the words out of my mouth. Or should I say "Woman"? Hmm... Haha jk.

Apoorva: Looking at my profile pic, I clearly have a moustache. :P

its a fake one

(sorry)

A feminist is someone who agrees with gender equality. Some people take it too far, and some people change it to someone else. But that's what it is. And I dont see anything wrong about it.