Mass Effect Fans/ Worshippers discussion

Thoughts?

Well... to be honest, I've only seen the FIRST ending, not the additional add-on stuff they added to it. Not yet, anyway, but unlike 95% of the fandom, I'd have to say that I'm actually okay with it. It was disappointing, don't get me wrong, but still somehow satisfying in it's own way.

Not to mention that the indoctrination theory (I don't CARE if they never intended it, that's head canon for me!) tends to make it 100% better and blows my mind in the best kind of ways! The only thing that could possibly make it better is if the Indoctrination Theory WERE true and accepted by the creators. It'd be one of the best science fiction games-- and beyond that-- ANYTHING in my opinion. To imagine that they may have not only indoctrinated your character, but you yourself as the game player? Mind-Blowing. ♥

Indoctrination Theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_G...

P.S. This is from the YouTube account of Seth Green, the voice actor of Joker!! ♥

Wow! I never noticed that. I watched the YouTube clip and it makes heaps more sense even if the indoctrination theory isn't intended. It is really intriguing actually . . .

The thing that disappoints me (and most other fans) though is that Bioware promised everyone that what you did in the series would ultimately decide how the game ended :/ Guess it is one of those "Nek minnit" moments . . .

YES! I LOVE LOVE ~LOVE~ this theory. It's superb and fascinating and mind-blowing and not only breath-taking, but literally chill inducing. How cool is that to not only have your character indoctrinated, but that they've indoctrinated you yourself (in a sense) as well? ♥

Did they? I don't remember hearing about that (though they did boast that about Dragon Age, which is how I found Mass Effect), though I'm not surprised to hear that they did. Truthfully, though, I never even realized that there wasn't much of a difference regardless of choice until I noticed the rage about it online. I could never make myself choose a different ending every time I play it (and I've played through all three games three times already, soon to be 4). :) *le sigh* I was somewhat upset to hear about that, though.

Lillian wrote: "YES! I LOVE LOVE ~LOVE~ this theory. It's superb and fascinating and mind-blowing and not only breath-taking, but literally chill inducing. How cool is that to not only have your character indoctri..."

I agree. Extended Cut DLC + indoctrination theory = me now happy enough (not fully) with ending. It is a shame for Bioware that they agree that *ahem* why yes, they intended the indoctrination theory all along. They could have made some serious $$$ and Casey Hudson and Thingo could have restored their reputations with raging fans demanding they are fired. . . ah well, their losses.

And you probably didn't hear about their promises because they took a lot of them down to protect their asses :( For example, did you know that Bioware originally promised sixteen different endings? There are heaps more here if you want to see them: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/top...

But what I don't understand is, why show Shepard is alive only to say "ME4 will not be about Shepard." Damn trolls . . .

Excellent! I'm delighted to hear that! ♥ That's pretty much how I feel, too. I'm generally content with the way things turned out. ♥

WOW! There were supposed to be 16 different endings?! WOW! I didn't know that. I do recall reading from an interview where they said this is how they'd been intending to end the series all along, though. Because the story is essentially about survival. I dunno. But that's AMAZING!

I agree! It baffles me that they didn't take credit for doing the theory intentionally. It definitely would have redeemed them in the best of ways. I suppose they might have been worried to take credit for it, though, when it wasn't intentional and somehow end up being sued for it.

Although, I think the majority of the rage on the fans part is completely ridiculous. They're so freaking entitled and self-richeous. Demanding they be fired? Seriously? That just pisses me off.

Whether they're disappointed with how they game ends, they have no right to demand people be fired because THEY don't like how the game ended. That's not unlike the huge group of thousands and thousands of fan that SERIOUSLY tried to petition J.K. Rowling to re-write the end of her last book again to make Harry and Hermione a couple. People like that leave me gaping in disbelief with their ignorance.

I can understand people being upset and raging because they don't like how the game ended-- because they're upset and disappointed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they cross a line when they try to suddenly decide that they have a right over another person.

I suppose I might feel so strongly about this because I work in customer service every day, but the ignorance and entitlement of some people just stuns me. *le sigh*

LOL! I agree! I wish ME4 was going to continue Shepard's story, but I'm not hugely broken up that it isn't. I suppose I'm used to it by now because I've been into Dragon Age for YEARS and they do this every game. XD LOL! I agree! THEY ARE TROLLS! ♥

I think the main reasons fans are raging (I'm still pissed myself) are because:

1. Bioware broke so many promises and with it, breached fans' trust.

2. A series that good probably could have had a better ending that absolutely blew everyone away.

3. They are angry because Bioware repeatedly told fans about how much input they have because they know the games best then they dismiss and refuse to listen to suggestions from fans, and even the other writers who were completely shunned.

This in particular, along with all the public lying and denial (http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/03/25... ) is why many people think Hudson and I can't remember his name should be fired. I'd love to agree with you but these scapegoats ruined many people's favourite series (mine included). That being said, I'm not saying they should be fired or demoted but I wouldn't really care if they were.

I mean, many writers, Drew Karpyshyn included (http://au.ign.com/articles/2012/02/17... ) even left Bioware after that scandal.

4. And finally, most people hate being left on a cliffhanger (myself included). Must be another trolling moment.
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Wow really? I did not know they wanted J.K. Rowling to re-write everything.

I definitely understand being upset over broken promises. I spent the a good portion of my life being pissed off over broken/grossly misleading promises from my parents before I realized that all the anger I was harboring was doing more bad than good (for myself). While I doubt I'll ever stop being disappointed, I no longer harbor resentment over the fact and I am able to appreciate the little I do have and enjoy it.

I believe the same should be said for fans of Mass Effect. After all, holding onto all that rage and resentment and upset for a game they were obviously deeply affected by is going to do nothing more then taint all of the good memories they hold of the game. I'd much rather remember all the fun and happiness it's brought me than allow then ending, disappointing though it is, to ruin that.

Despite all the disappointment the end brought, I still love and adore the game-- still consider it to be one of the best games I've ever played. Most games still pale in comparison to it. Nothing-- no game-- is perfect. It's very likely that the creators of Mass Effect promised more than they could actually uphold, not that they were intentionally lying to their fans and were trying to provoke such rage (after all, for what reason would they have to do that?).

In Dragon Age, they'd originally planned that each and every origin story would have it's own personal villain that would chase you across the game quite specifically among many other plans specific to your origin. In the end, they were unable to pursue this because it was too complicated, took too much money, and would have meant another 5+ years creating the game. It's not unlike letting your eyes do the cooking for you-- putting a lot of food on your plate that you INTEND to eat, but becoming full before you can finish it.

It's quite likely that this is the case. They had good intentions that they ~wanted~ to uphold, but due to extenuating circumstances (which could have come from a lack of time/deadlines, requirements/changes demanded from EA games, not enough money/budget, etc). From what I hear, time was very big issue for them. You don't know what trials they may have faced while they were trying to create this game and the many things they had to put aside that they likely did not want to.

Haven't you ever made a ton of plans to do/create/buy something only to have them fall through and everything you'd planned when you didn't have enough time/money/etc. to go about them? That, in the end, you had to choose what was most important to do/be finished just to get it done? It's not the same, no, but it may well have been a similar case.

It's my opinion that as personal as it is for us, the gamers and fans, to look forward to purchasing and playing the game, it's just as if not more personal to them as they spend YEARS creating the game. They're artists and their work are as precious to them as children, so to speak. I say this in that I myself am an artist and when I create works of art, you're very protective of it. Things don't always go as they planned. This could be where the denial comes from.

It's probably very painful for them to hear all the outraged critique from their fans demanding they be ~fired~ for something they may very well not have been able to control. No one who is not working for Bioware and doesn't know all of the extenuating circumstances/everything that's gone on has the right to demand another person being punished over it unless they themselves are directly involved.

You said some people quit over it, right? Do you or anyone else know all the details behind why he's leaving? How do you know that it's directly related or even the exact circumstances other than timing? Does he talk about it?

I'm really not trying to come off as harsh or anything similar, I'm just trying to point out a different perspective that most people fail to realize. Most people are so self-absorbed in their own lives (and don't get me wrong, that's human nature!) that they don't stop to THINK. It's not all about ourselves, much as we'd like it to be. There's a bigger picture.