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message 1: by Mark, The Failed Philosopher (last edited Jul 22, 2016 06:50AM) (new)

Mark Burns (TheFailedPhilosopher) | 167 comments Mod
"I know there will be a natural forming discussion here so i don't need to ask a question." - Me

What a foolhardy thing I said...I really should have offered specifics here...

Many people say that this philosopher changed his mind, however there are some parts of the Tractatus that do in fact ring bells with his later work that suggest more of a continuance than a complete disparity, Where do you stand on this?

Does taking Kant's limiting point and applying it to language instead actually make a new point at all?


message 2: by John (new)

John | 41 comments Good Q that pts. To role of thing itself in Kant and poss. role of God in his thinking as God does't think thoughts as humans do but things in themselves!


message 3: by John (new)

John | 41 comments Sorry for grammar but was talking while trying to post!


message 4: by John (new)

John | 41 comments Yes indeed for both W's the world remains a mystery and great truths( moral) test the limits of Lang. in their expression."


message 5: by John (new)

John | 41 comments Witt. led an unconventional life for an academic philosopher and therein one must look to really understand him, for at the time everyone- the Logical Positivists included misunderstood him. Carnap's recollection of his encounter with him is very revealing.


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Dmytro Makarenko | 2 comments Witt. wasn't actually so much conсentrated on the limits with which natural language constrains us as Kant was concerned with the limits of reason. It's his point that language games of natural languages may be infinite, but language game of a formal language is finite.


message 7: by John (new)

John | 41 comments Can these multitude of Lang. Games themselves be examined in a less than formal Lang.- a Lang. Game of Lang. Games of all poss. Natural Lang's on all poss. W's having Intell./ Lang. life?


message 8: by Dmytro (new)

Dmytro Makarenko | 2 comments As we are finite creatures our language games are also finite. But potentially they can widen up to infinity. I think this examination of all possible natural lang. games is just a mare logical statement. We can't really predict every natural languages' game.


message 9: by John (new)

John | 41 comments Maybe then construct a family resemblance model of them as indeed they are multitude in nature. Seems pretty ordinary thinking Lang. What is not ordinary is the magnitude of the cosmos we are part of and which we try to comprehend with our limited minds and also Q mechanics -Pascal's two infinities dilemma!


message 10: by John (new)

John | 41 comments Also to approach a limit as a limit is in some sense to think beyond it-any action in the real W already transcends the limits of Lang for to think/ speak something is not to create a physical object or even climb a tree.


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