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Apr 27, 2009 09:46PM
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right, they made abortion for a reason (not just to be cruel to people). If you had horrible parents and horrible siblings and your whole family and whole life was messed up would you really want to put that baby through that kind of torture?
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Don't get pregnant then. You don't want your baby to suffer, don't get pregnant at a young age.
It's not a matter of whether abortion is right or wrong, it's a matter of whether or not banning abortion is right or wrong. It doesn't have to be "right" to be legal. In a free society, you need a reason to make something illegal, not to make it legal. Whether abortion is "right" or permissible is different on a case by case basis, which is why the people involved should be free to make the decision for themselves and not have it forced upon them by government.
The government is trying to control every aspect of people's personal lives because it offends some over-sensitive people.
Ninja wrote: "GreenDaisy BlackStem wrote: "1089844 right, they made abortion for a reason (not just to be cruel to people). If you had horrible parents and horrible siblings and your whole family and whole life ..."What if you didn't mean to because you were drunk or being stupid people make mistakes and that might be a big one but do you really want to torture that child?
Abortion should be legal.
You know how people say "If abortion is legal, people will just use it as a form of birth control."
That's completely untrue. It has got to be the hardest thing to do, to have an abortion. Even if you know you don't want a child, it's still a hard thing to do and it takes a lot of thinking. Plus, the woman would have to live with knowing she "killed" her child for the rest of her life.
You know how people say "If abortion is legal, people will just use it as a form of birth control."
That's completely untrue. It has got to be the hardest thing to do, to have an abortion. Even if you know you don't want a child, it's still a hard thing to do and it takes a lot of thinking. Plus, the woman would have to live with knowing she "killed" her child for the rest of her life.
This is a question we went through in class for slaves but the same principal applys:Would you rather live your life in constant pain and suffering or die
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Make good choices. Or there's always adoption.
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That's completely untrue. It has got to be the hardest thing to do, to have an abortion. Even if you know you don't want a child, it's still a hard thing to do and it takes a lot of thinking. Plus, the woman would have to live with knowing she "killed" her child for the rest of her life."
Most, if not all, women who have gotten an abortion regret their decision immensely.
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Wait until your married to have sex.
Ninja wrote: "GreenDaisy BlackStem wrote: "What if you didn't mean to because you were drunk or being stupid people make mistakes and that might be a big one but do you really want to torture that child?"Make..."
Adoption! If your child was going to live forever with a mental disease that would cripple them for the rest of their life and they couldn't move because you did drugs would you want to torture them by bringing them into this world!
People don't make good choices all the time people make mistakes ninja and you're no perfect little girl either!
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People don't make good choices all the time people make mistakes ninja and you're no perfect little girl either!"
How do you know your kid would be crippled? By the time you could have an ultra sound to tell, you would know that the baby inside you was living. It would be murder.
if you were 12 years old and you were pregnant would you keep the baby
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I don't think ANYBODY should be even having sex at 12!
And like I said, adoption is an option.
yeah well there are really stupid people who do they exist and they have gotten pregnant three times! And have you ever been to junior high?
"Most, if not all, women who have gotten an abortion regret their decision immensely. "Show me that study.
A 12 year old would die. Her body isn't big enough to have a healthy baby.
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No I never went to Junior High, sorry. Not my fault, my parents home schooled me up until I went to high school.
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As I said, I don't even think she should be having sex at that age.
Ninja wrote: "Lauren wrote: ""A 12 year old would die. Her body isn't big enough to have a healthy baby. "As I said, I don't even think she should be having sex at that age."
true bad choice but it happens. I don't have sex just FYI I have never had sex
Ninja wrote: "GreenDaisy BlackStem wrote: "yeah well there are really stupid people who do they exist and they have gotten pregnant three times! And have you ever been to junior high?"
No I never went to Junio..."
that makes sense
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I've never had sex either, and I am dang proud of being a virgin!
same here and I'm pretty sure Carmi ella is too ... not sure about Susannah oh wait .... nevermind!!11
It's inconsequential. It doesn't matter if she shouldn't what matters is that she did, and that's the situation.
true, so back on topic the question again would belive your life in pain and suffering or die?
pain and sufferingit'spain and suffering what other explanation are you looking for?
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Very rarely. Not having an abortion can also do the same, in greater numbers.
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The argument used by many advocates of abortion -- that abortion is safer than childbirth -- is difficult to defend in light of medical evidence to the contrary. The Abortion Surveillance Branch of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) maintains that induced abortion is safer than childbirth [75:] and that the serious complication rate is less than one percent. [76:] Yet there is no agreement among investigators as to what constitutes a major complication and no real national system for the reporting these kind of statistics, [77:] making the accuracy of such assertions questionable. Furthermore, the experiences of private physicians and gynecologists do not seem to support the validity of the CDC's claim. [78:]
Daniel J. Martin, M.D., Ltd., clinical instructor at St. Louis University Medical School, St. Louis, Missouri, has said, "The impact of abortion on the body of a woman who chooses abortion is great and always negative. I can think of no beneficial effect of a social abortion on a body." [79:]
Why is this so? Because induced abortion is the premature, willful, and violent penetration of a closed and safeguarded system -- a system in which nearly every cell, tissue and organ of a woman's reproductive system has been specially transformed and activated to carry out the function of sustaining and nourishing the developing child. Not surprisingly, any violation of the integrity of that system can lead to serious complications. Physical problems range from hemorrhage and infection to sterility and even death. Psychological effects range from depression and mental trauma to divorce and even suicide.
NancyJo Mann is one of many who has experienced both kinds of complications. Infection and bleeding followed her abortion which eventually led to a hysterectomy. Recalling her experience, she said, "Beforehand, I liked myself. I had never entertained the idea of abortion. But the minute that needle went through my abdomen, I hated it, because I knew it could not be reversed. I wanted to scream, 'Don't do this to me!'" [80:]
Physical Complications*
Despite the use of local anesthesia, a full 97% of women having abortions reported experiencing pain during the procedure, [81:] which more than a third described as "intense," [82:] "severe" or "very severe." [83:] Compared to other pains, researchers have rated the pain from abortion as more painful than a bone fracture, about the same as cancer pain, though not as painful as an amputation. [84:]
Studies also reveal that younger women tend to find abortion more painful than do older adults, [85:] and that patients typically found abortion more painful than their doctors or counselors expected. [86:] The use of more powerful general anesthetics can reduce the pain, but significantly increases the risk of cervical injury or uterine perforation. [87:]
Complications such as these are common, as are bleeding, hemorrhage,[88:] laceration of the cervix, [89:] menstrual disturbance, [90:] inflammation of the reproductive organs, [91:] bladder or bowel perforation, [92:] and serious infection. [93:]
Even more harmful long term physical complications from abortion may surface later. For example, overzealous currettage can damage the lining of the uterus and lead to permanent infertility. [94:] Overall, women who have abortions face an increased risk of ectopic (tubal) pregnancy [95:] and a more than doubled risk of future sterility. [96:] Perhaps most important of all, the risk of these sorts of complications, along with risks of future miscarriage, increase with each subsequent abortion. [97:]
The particular type and severity of complications depend a great deal on the experience of the abortionist and the particular abortion method used. Given that most abortions are performed at abortion clinics rather than by a woman's regular ob-gyn, [98:] the doctor performing the abortion is likely to be a stranger of whose skill and experience a woman knows very little. [99:] Such things as an inadequate gynecologic examination prior to the operation, the carelessness of the abortionist, or the retention of fetal and placental tissue can all bring on complications. These kinds of complications can usually be treated and generally subside (though not always), [100:] but few women ever return to the clinics for crucial post-operative examinations. [101:]
There is strong evidence that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer. A study of more than 1,800 women appearing in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute in 1994 found that overall, women having abortions increased their risk of getting breast cancer before age 45 by 50%. For women under 18 with no previous pregnancies, having an abortion after the 8th week increased the risk of breast cancer 800%. Women with a family history of breast cancer fared even worse. All 12 women participating in the study who had abortions before 18 and had a family history of breast cancer themselves got cancer before age 45. [102:]
Of course, death of the mother is the most serious of all complications. Over 200 women have died from legal abortions since 1973. [103:] The risk of death increases according to the duration of pregnancy [104:] and the complexity of the abortion technique employed. [105:]
* In most of the discussions above, the abortions referred to are surgical abortions. Chemical methods being relatively new and rare, most studies over the past twenty or so years usually tracked only complications for surgical methods. Complication rates for chemical techniques may be somewhat different; for example, while there is little risk of perforation and laceration with a chemical method, pain and bleeding will probably exceed that of surgical methods. Chemical methods also bring unique risks of their own.
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Clinical research provides a growing body of scientific evidence that having an abortion can cause psychological harm to some women. "Women who report negative after-effects from abortion know exactly what their problem is," observed psychologist Wanda Franz, Ph.D., in a March 1989 congressional hearing on the impact of abortion. "They report horrible nightmares of children calling them from trash cans, of body parts, and blood," Franz told the Congressional panel. "When they are reminded of the abortion," Franz testified, "the women re-experienced it with terrible psychological pain ... They feel worthless and victimized because they failed at the most natural of human activities -- the role of being a mother."[106:]
The emergence of chemical abortion methods poses a new possibly more devastating psychological threat. Unlike surgical abortions, in which women rarely see the cut up body parts, women having chemical abortions often do see the complete tiny bodies of their unborn children and are even able to distinguish the child's developing hands, eyes, etc. [107:] So traumatic is this for some women that both patients and researchers involved in these studies have recommended that women unprepared for the experience of seeing their aborted children not take the drugs. [108:] Long-term psychological implications of this experience have not been studied.
Researchers on the after-effects of abortion have identified a pattern of psychological problems known as Post-Abortion Syndrome (PAS). Women suffering PAS may experience drug and alcohol abuse, personal relationship disorders, sexual dysfunction, repeated abortions, communications difficulties, damaged self-esteem, and even attempt suicide. Post-Abortion Syndrome appears to be a type of pattern of denial which may last for five to ten years before emotional difficulties surface. [109:]
Now that some clinicians have established that there is an identifiable patterns to PAS, they face a new challenge. What is still unknown is how widespread psychological problems are among women who have had abortions. A Los Angeles Times survey in 1989 found that 56% of women who had abortions felt guilty about it, and 26% "mostly regretted the abortion."[110:] Clinicians' current goal should be to conduct extensive national research studies to obtain data on the psychological after-effects of abortion.[111:]
With the growing awareness of Post Abortion Syndrome in scholarly and clinical circles, women with PAS can expect to receive a more sensitive appreciation of the suffering that they endure. Fortunately, a growing network of peer support groups of women who have had abortions offers assistance to women who are experiencing emotional difficulties.
Many post-abortive women have also been speaking out publicly about their own abortion experiences and the healing process they went through.. Women or family members seeking information about this particular outreach can contact American Victims of Abortion, 512 10th St. NW, Washington, D.C., 20004.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/#Is...
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Abortion results in cervical damage, which results in permanent weakening of the cervix, which, in turn, is unable to carry the weight of a later pregnancy. The cervix opens prematurely. A survey by Dr. Ren, "Cervical Incompetence - Aetiology and Management," Medical Journal of Australia (December 29, 1993), Volume 60, reported that symptoms related to "cervical incompetence" were found among 75% of women who undergo forced dilation for abortion
In a study performed with 252 women, the investigators concluded that "the occurrence of either induced or spontaneous abortions independently and significantly increased the risk of subsequent development of secondary infertility. - Study done at Harvard from the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. Feb 1993 issue.
The Fallopian tube is a fragile organ, if infection injures it, it often seals shut. The typical infection involving these organs is pelvic inflammatory disease (PID). "Pelvic Inflammatory Disease is difficult to manage and often leads to infertility, even with prompt treatment ... Approximately 10% of women will develop tubal adhesions leading to infertility after one episode of PID, 30% after two episodes, and more than 60% after three episodes. - (M. Spence, Sexually Transmitted Disease Bulletin, John Hopkins University).
The risk of secondary infertility among women with at least one induced abortion is 3-4 time greater than that among non-aborted women. - (British Journal of OB/GYN, August, 1976)
Dr. Bohumil Stipal, Czechoslovakia's Deputy Minister of Health, stated: "Roughly 25% of the women who interrupt their first pregnancy have remained permanently childless."
5-10% will become sterile (of women who abort) - Thomas Hilgers, MD, Induced Abortion, A documented Report (1976)
http://www.gargaro.com/healthproblems...
Those reports from 1976 aren't valid. Too much has happened. As so the 1973 and 1989.
Ninja, you've got to get information from somewhere independent, not an anti-abortion website. And even if abortion is unsafe for the mother, shouldn't people be allowed to take that risk? Smoking is unsafe, drinking is unsafe, driving is unsafe, elective surgery is unsafe. All of these things are legal.
And if you know all the risks and you still want to why shouldn't they.
Nathan wrote: "Most, if not all, women who have gotten an abortion regret their decision immenselyThis is a lie.
Wait until your married to have sex.
No.
Also, just because two people are married doe..."
lol public schooling on this group has just been promoted to being one of the best things you can do for your child and yourself!
and the whole abortion causing medical problems it's like nuclear power:
It CAN have issues doesn't mean it does
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Of course! We live in a free country, risks are allowed. That doesn't make them safe.
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Not everyone knows the risks before they get an abortion. I didn't say no one knows, I said some don't.
Well that's their problem isn't it. If they were going to get an abortion wouldn't you go see what the risks were? And how does a few people making that stupid descision mean that abortion should be illegal? wouldn't the doctor tell you? This question I am asking because I honestly don't know
Nathan wrote: "wouldn't the doctor tell you? This question I am asking because I honestly don't knowYes, doctors do tell patients about the risks. Fundamentalis Christians like Ninja lie to people and preten..."
Thank you, I thought they did because it would be kind of stupid if my doctor told me and my mom about the risks of my ADHD meds and doctors didn't tell patients about the risks of abortion
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I never said they didn't! Because, like GreenDaisy, I wouldn't know.
Ninja wrote: "Nathan wrote: "Yes, doctors do tell patients about the risks. Fundamentalis Christians like Ninja lie to people and pretend doctors don't tell patients the risks, but they do. #1 - They have to. #2..."Okay well now this contradicts one of your points. EVERYONE who considers getting an abortion knows the risks so you can not say that they don't
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Okay well now this contradicts one of your points. EVERYONE who considers getting an abortion knows the risks so you can not say that they don't"
But can you PROVE that EVERY doctor tells their patients about the risks? Some might not, and there's no way we can prove one way or the other, whether they always do or sometimes don't.
Ninja wrote: "GreenDaisy BlackStem wrote: "Okay well now this contradicts one of your points. EVERYONE who considers getting an abortion knows the risks so you can not say that they don't"
But can you PROVE th..."
Yes I can because certified doctors by law HAVE to tell their patients the risks!
But can you PROVE that EVERY doctor tells their patients about the risks? Some might not, and there's no way we can prove one way or the other, whether they always do or sometimes don't.This isn't unique to abortion. This could be said about all medical procedures. Should all medical procedures be illegal, then?
"I never want to have children. "D: But they're so cute! lololololjk
"Doctors care about their patients' health. "
Except this new thing, where doctors can refuse to treat you, because you conflict with their beliefs.
http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1224
Almost the same.
