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There is no true evidence proving the existence of a God. From what I learned in school the best we can do is say there probably is a God. That is the conclusion we come to from the cosmological argument and the design argument.

i really believe there is someone but i don't know when i really need him /her ,i don't know where to look for

I believe that there is a God. To me, as Elevetha said, it makes sense that He created us, rather than an evolution or "big bang." Can I give what would be considered "solid proof?" Maybe not, but I can tell you what He has done for me and for my friends and family. I don't need proof to believe that God is there...I just believe He is.

I know there's a God. I've seen him do miracles.

Same as Leah and Ruth :)

Leah wrote: "I believe that there is a God. To me, as Elevetha said, it makes sense that He created us, rather than an evolution or "big bang." Can I give what would be considered "solid proof?" Maybe not, b..."

I believe in evolution....but that doesn't mean I don't believe in God. Isn't it possible that god created evolution also?

You cannot have an infinite regression of causes as it just doesn't make sense, so there is something that is the first cause an uncaused causer. This is often seen as a God. Aquinas used this argument in his Summa Theologica. It makes sense but then there are also criticisms such as why can we not have this infinite regression. Hume also puts forward some good points to criticize this such as the fact having someone to cause it means you have to be an observer of the universe which is impossible.

All these points are valid and make it difficult for anyone to actually come to a choice, the best I can do is take the agnostic line and say there probably is a God.

Elevetha wrote: "H99 wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Hmm. Well.

It makes a heck of a lot more sense that there is a Supreme Being who brought us and the universe in existence, than that everything randomly appeared by c..."

why it is always "he"

I've always remained agnostic on this topic, mostly because neither side has proven their point. I realize that the burden of proof falls on the religious here, but the modern scientific creation theories aren't the most soundproof either. In the end, there is only one thing to say that I can truly stand behind: if there actually is one all powerful God, he is one cruel bastard.

You mean these guys? :P

On a more serious note: to a certain extent, yes. I need to be wholly convinced to believe one way or the other,and to convince me you're going to need some facts.

I dont think it matters if there is or isnt a god/goddess, because they're not helping us much down here. Whatever higher power there is, they (a) are powerless to help or (b) just created us to amuse it. And I can see the humour in a bunch of animals running around for sone stupid thing called money, killing and hurting each other. Doing all these things until they die. I know I'm being pessimistic. This is just my view.

@ lia
you know what your concept of god with two faces can be true, even in Hinduism there is a god known "ardhnareshwar" means god who is half women and half men

i like the idea to refer god with "it" and you are right , god is just crazy

H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "H99 wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Hmm. Well.

It makes a heck of a lot more sense that there is a Supreme Being who brought us and the universe in existence, than that eve..."


Hinduism got many goddesses even they are "shakti" "power" in gods

three basic needs of human

knowledge, power and money are blessing if godesses

Lia wrote: "Anuj wrote: "@ lia
you know what your concept of god with two faces can be true, even in Hinduism there is a god known "ardhnareshwar" means god who is half women and half men

i like the idea ..."


totally agree on you this, yeah if there is any god , why does it always have to be male and female it can be anything , we don't need to give it any ,shape ,size and gender but we human always imagine things in definite dimension

As Jace Wayland from City of Bones puts it, and im paraphrasing here: "There might or might not be a god, but either way we're on our own"

Islam♥ wrote: "As Jace Wayland from City of Bones puts it, and im paraphrasing here: "There might or might not be a god, but either way we're on our own""

That quote more or less entirely sums up my religious beliefs.

@Lia and Anuj: The common conception of "God" comes from classical Greek society, who portrayed their gods as perfect human beings, and it's stuck for thousands of years.

I'm pretty sure people refer to God as a "He" because in most people's minds, men are still superior to women (and other genders, etc.)

Of COURSE there is a God! One and only.

"Elevetha wrote: "That's not even close to why.

God the Father. God the Son. God the Holy Spirit. He isn't actually male, because he's everything, but he is considered male because that's his natu..."

The Bible was written back then, so views may have been different. I don't understand what you mean when you say "that's his natures"?

H99 wrote: "Paigetwo wrote: "Of COURSE there is a God! One and only."

Proof. Evidence.

That's what faith is. Believing without evidence. Until there is evidence, you can't really tell others that they're wro..."

Yes it can. If you want hard evidence then you can look into books written by unbelievers at that time and even THEY can't deny that Jesus walked the Earth, died on the cross, and rose again on the third day! :D

Well God didnt write the Bible, so how did the people who wrote it know what God wants and doesnt want (if there is a god). They could've just made it up. Like, all of it.

Ella wrote: "Well God didnt write the Bible, so how did the people who wrote it know what God wants and doesnt want (if there is a god). They could've just made it up. Like, all of it."

The writers of the Bible wrote it through God. Think of it as an adult helping a child grip a pencil when they are first learning to write. The child may be holding the pencil and making the marks on the paper, but the adult is the one doing the writing.

God directed people to write the Bible so that we can relate to their experiences. It's a little easier to relate to them because some of them faced the same things we face today. (Not sure if this last part has any relevance to this, but it's what I believe :D)

well in my case, i just believe cause somethings are really complicated and can't be explained so it seems that believing in God is more reasonable and HEY, there's no harm in believing.

Elevetha wrote: "Sierra wrote: "Ella wrote: "Well God didnt write the Bible, so how did the people who wrote it know what God wants and doesnt want (if there is a god). They could've just made it up. Like, all of i..."

You're welcome, it's just what I believe :)

ShilvaH wrote: "well in my case, i just believe cause somethings are really complicated and can't be explained so it seems that believing in God is more reasonable and HEY, there's no harm in believing."

That's a good point. To me, it's just clear that there is a God. In my opinion, animals, plants, and even us humans are much too complex to just have "evolved". Everything about living creatures whether it's cells, an animal's instincts, or the way a plant goes through the process of photosynthesis is so amazing that in my mind, there has to be somebody behind it.

Not to mention the fact that when I pray, I can almost feel God here with me. I know that might sound stupid to some people, but whenever I'm upset or anxious about something I pray and I always feel better, like this calm washes over me. But that's just my opinion and how I feel about it...

I do not beleive there is a God as an antropomorphic character, but I do beleive there is Superior Strenght aboslutely out of our hands ruling all the Human Lives and the Whole World as well. I may call it Universe, Retribution Law, you Reap what you Saw, whatever, I do beleive there is such thing.

i believe a little differently to what my religion says. i believe g-d is kind of like nature. he changes, he can't stop or intervene.

Arwen wrote: "i believe a little differently to what my religion says. i believe g-d is kind of like nature. he changes, he can't stop or intervene."

What do you mean when you say "he changes"?

g-d never stays in one place, he never looks the same. Never repeats the same things. g-d always changes in every possible way.

Also another thing which don't hate me for and i know the really religious people are going to hate me for this. (i'm reform Jew, don't kill me) is i believe g-d was bi. He created BOTH Adam and Eve to love him

Arwen wrote: "g-d never stays in one place, he never looks the same. Never repeats the same things. g-d always changes in every possible way.

Also another thing which don't hate me for and i know the really re..."

That's an interesting belief. I don't believe God changes though. What reason would we have to respect him if he did?

And about the bi thing...He created Adam and Eve to love him as their father, not their lover.

I don't remember the bible or the torah ever saying that

The whole Bible refers to God as the Father.

they mean it as someone to guide them and to be a friend. that is how i translated it. well i have never actually read the bible. school has read vs. but it has never really intrigued me. neither has the torah. I love the history but i don't really believe most of it. I am weird :P
I believe in g-d not jesus very strongly

Arwen wrote: "they mean it as someone to guide them and to be a friend. that is how i translated it. well i have never actually read the bible. school has read vs. but it has never really intrigued me. neither h..."

I believe Jesus was a real person, and he may have died on the cross (not really sure), but I don't think he was God's son and such.

Also, I have a qustion--is it a Jewish thing to type God like g-d? I have another Jewish friend who does the same,

there is proverb in hindi that "karam pehle aya bad me dharam"

it means on earth "work was present before the religion " it means work is more important thn religion

Lo♪ wrote: "Arwen wrote: "they mean it as someone to guide them and to be a friend. that is how i translated it. well i have never actually read the bible. school has read vs. but it has never really intrigued..."

There is real evidence and roman documents that prove Jesus was a real person and that he was put to death on a cross.

As to the God thing, I think one is a noun so his name is God and the other is an adjective meaning powerful being.

we cannot believe document totally , i mean if we come on believing Hindu documents thn don't know what things we are going to believe

H99 wrote: "Evan wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Arwen wrote: "they mean it as someone to guide them and to be a friend. that is how i translated it. well i have never actually read the bible. school has read vs. but it h..."

Yes, He Was, and Is, and Is to Come!

Interesting.
My prof once asked: "do humans make their god or did God made the humans".

On my paper for philo, I answered "humans make their god". Alright, I'm not an anti-God and I don't hate the God-believers (I believe in God, btw, and He made humans), but I just can't prove the otherwise so I answered that humans make their god.

yup totally agree human make their god ,it is true

Humans dont just make their gods, they choose their gods. I see people idolizing celebrities (especially people like One Direction) and freaking out over them, getting their faces on pillows (ick) and buying everything to do with that person or group. But people fail to realize that they are just people like you and me. They make mistakes. That's why I've never bothered getting signatures, even when I was little. Because they are just people. Not gods. And we are dehumanizing them. John Green says something like this in Paper Towns "Margo was not an adventure. She was a girl."

I know this was all off topic, but I had to say it.

They're is overwhelming evidence. I'll ask you this, skeptics: If there is no god, then who created the world? How are you here on this earth? Answer me this.

Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "They're is overwhelming evidence. I'll ask you this, skeptics: If there is no god, then who created the world? How are you here on this earth? Answer me this."

The big bang? Evolution? Are these not theories that challenge the God of theology?

Who created Man, I ask then?

Man evolved from the apes!

Who created the apes then?

They evolved from cells that were created in the big band.

Do you seriously believe that?! Why do you not believe in God?

There is too much evil in the world for there to be a God. Who would allow a two week old baby to die? There is a quote that goes, "Evil is a perpetual burden of doubt for the believer and an obstacle for the non believer" I guess I'm just stuck on that obstacle.

Evan wrote: "They evolved from cells that were created in the big band."

One question: How can a cell be created from an explosion?