Books Made Me Broke discussion

...and why?

Which came first, X that can't come without Y, or Y that can't come without X? A circle has no beginning.

The answer is going to vary with each individual you ask because they're going to base their answer on their various personal beliefs.

Nosce te ipsum (♫ נєѕѕι¢α ♪) wrote: "Which came first, X that can't come without Y, or Y that can't come without X? A circle has no beginning.

The answer is going to vary with each individual you ask because they're going to base th..."

Who created the circle?

Asch's Anti-Paradigm (JennTheAwesum) wrote: " Nosce te ipsum (♫ נєѕѕι¢α ♪) wrote: "Which came first, X that can't come without Y, or Y that can't come without X? A circle has no beginning.

The answer is going to vary with each individual y..."

That depends on if you're an atheist or theist.

If you belive Darwin (which you should, but I respect you if you don't) the egg came first. It was proved in some sciency-thing that the egg came first. All birds come from the dinosaurs, and they laid eggs. So yes, darwinism wins.

THE CHICKEN EGG! DUH!

Eggs were around a long time before there were any chickens, but if the question is, which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg, then the answer is still clearly the chicken egg. It is based on the concept of species and the mitochondrial eve concept of most recent common ancestor. A species consists of all organisms which are capable of breeding with one another and producing offspring that are also capable of successfully breeding within the same population. To extend the rule to non extant generations, it consists of the shared genetic heritage of the interbreeding population. At some time in the past all chickens have to have had two ancestors from which all chickens descended, one male and the other female. Since males are much more reproductively prolific it would have been a male that was the most recent common ancestor. However, the genetic heritage of the interbreeding population necessitates the inclusion of females, so we have to count the female common ancestor as the most recent common ancestor for this purpose. That is, at some time in the past - further back than the most recent common male ancestor - there was a female ancestor from which all living chickens descended. That chicken was, undoubtedly, a part of a large interbreeding population herself, but the rest of that population did not contribute to the current genetic pool of chickens. In order to produce an egg that carried the genetic pool that would become present day chickens she had to have had a male to produce it with, but that male was not the most recent male common ancestor. It was not until the egg was fertilized that the genetic progenitor of all chickens was produced. That would mean that, technically, both the female and male bird that produced that egg were not chickens and that the bird that hatched out of it was the first chicken. That first chicken hatched out of the first chicken egg. It was also the only chicken whose parents were not chickens.