Atheism - Illuminati discussion

The trouble with the word "atheist" is that it's about what you don't believe, and not what you do believe.

I believe very firmly in the spirit of life. How can you not? Its all around us. Unlike god, the challenge of survival drives every living thing. It is the root of man's ingenuity.

Shame we seem to be using it to wipe out ourselves and half the other living things on the planet though.

every word is curved in the stone

I prefer the term "free-thinker."

Then free - thinker it is , still I am deeply disappointed from the poor registration to this group any Idea how to increase our spreading out

Atheism is just a word. Words can and do evolve in meaning. It doesn't have to be a negative. Let's re-claim it as other minorities have reclaimed their "bad" names. To me "free thinker" sounds like a description of an agnostic, not an atheist.

Mor wrote: "Then free - thinker it is , still I am deeply disappointed from the poor registration to this group any Idea how to increase our spreading out"

What's the group for? Evangelism? Debate?

Atheists/free-thinkers tend to be independent thinkers. Perhaps, taking the view that we'll believe what we want and others are welcome to the same freedom, we don't naturally congregate like those who like the clear guidelines of religion?

I think considering what obligations come with recognition that there is no god to sort everything out for us might get some interesting debate going.

I believe that more than people need a god , god needs people because the minute people will seas to believe in god will seas it's existence as a fictional figure.

Perhaps we should start s discussion about good existence?

Existence is always good.

Fictional figures have their place in the world. Let no-one tell an author fictional characters do not have a will of their own....

of course there is god,
if god does not exist, all of which have in this world or in the galaxy is even the smallest atomic oxygen will not be there.

But it is here, and god isn't.

yes, god is.
are you atheis?

Cj wrote:"..as long as we trust and believe that we have a god, god will always be in our heart and soul."

It is in many ways good to have faith. It is comforting. Reassuring. (This, I believe, was why human beings invented god in the first place. Life can be nasty, brutish and short.)

I was a Christian for many years; until I came to the conclusion that faith was a comfort blanket. Grown-up people have to learn to take responsibility for their own lives, their own decisions, and their own impact on the world around them. They cannot hide behind the skirts of an omnipotent deity.

Man has a gift of being able to figure things out (that's why he's called Homo Sapiens, Thinking Man). He has a far greater understanding of how the world works than the creatures we share this planet with. It places upon him a greater responsibility. The concept of god allows too many human beings to shirk that responsibility.

Despite the actual teachings of the world's great religions, god becomes an excuse for destruction and exploitation, and vaunting man's supremacy over other life-forms who have just as much "right" to life as we do. Quite apart from the divisions it engenders between rival religions.

So yes, Cj, I'm an atheist. And that's why. If god existed, other living things would recognise His existence.. They don't.

if you are not believe at all how could you find god.
maybe you can be an atheis coz god want to know, how big you love and believe god. will you be an atheis or not, god want to know, are you believe god or not.

"...whatever someone chooses to believe cannot be exempt from the ethical judgement of others." - William Kingdon Clifford, 1876.

God needs us to believe in She because once we stop believing in that concept it will seas to exist at once that is just a concept some people call it luck and other call it faith still as it expands and includes more and more then we get closer to Einstein's saying the universe and nature are divine but believing in a super unnatural entity is childish and naïve want you agree ?

yes im agree, because needs us to believe, simple exampale: why did you married if are not believe your partner??


what is your religion Mor?

I have no religion what so ever I believe in since facts reality (not TV shows) and statistics and the good of the human kind

me too.

i very much agree that God is like a fairy-tale. People need God to have hope and lie to themselves that God will everything for them and they'll be ok. a good example is when i use to believe in Santa Claus until i came to my sences

then why doesn't the the belife in god vanish evolutionary way what thoes this beleave provied for us as a human rais?

Once you believe in a lie for so long it'll eventually become the truth and people will die for what they think is true. If something big were to happen right now that proves every religion wrong, how much do you want to bet that the number of deaths will increase to at least 80%?

then let's make it hapen it might be an evolutinary gap for the next step

you want all those people to die? You're right that it'll help us out alot with evolution, but at the same time we cant just sacrifice over half the planet. The only good thing i see in religion is that it maintains order. if we were to prove every religion wrong now then people will find their lives pointless and start doing wrong things. they wont see how we see atheism

the laws of nature will ocupye any empty void that will be open with the ubsenss of religion and I don't wish deth to any boddy altogth I many population have parishet such as the dinosaoruse and the mamuths on the evlutinary path

even afterwards another religion will rise. religion starts out with a group of people with the same/similar ideas. they wont be like us. the only way we can evolve is if we all just literally died. WE wont evolve but out planet might live longer

We could do monthly (or bi-monthly or whatever) book club discussions about topically relevant books.

yeh sure do you know how it's done?

We can make suggestions, then the group leader can make polls for members to vote for the book to read, then set up an event/discussion forum.

I like this rational thread. On other sites, I see the radicalization of an atheist idea that there is no God, which is in vain. The problem is that there is no God only for us atheists. When we translate the religious spirit (as in the Holy Spirit of God) into the human spirit, then we are all God, the sum of God, so to speak, in our shared intellectual power. If you want rationalism to succeed, you will have to do the homework and get to the bottom of why there are so many that do believe in God.

I am waiting for your feedback on The Great Leap-Fraud, which demonstrates the motives behind the creation of God (not to be mistaken with God's Creation).

Consistent Atheists are humanists according to Sartre so this thread title is great.