Finnegans Wake Grappa discussion

Lots of significant numbers at Finnegans wake.

1132 is one such. This thread is for that number. Start a different thread for those other nummers :: z.B., 111, 1001, 4, etc.

oK, I've seen it a buncha times from ya and have been meaning to ask:

What does z.B. mean?

Gregsamsa wrote: "What does z.B. mean? "

Deutsch :: "for example" z.B., "zum Beispiel".

Justification :: "i.e." is Latin ; English is half Lat and half Ger ;; why not some Ger?

This is the number that follows me out of the wake and into the world...

Ashley wrote: "This is the number that follows me out of the wake and into the world..."

It means more to me than that number about Columbo disc=overing the Blue World.

Is there a list of the appearances of 1132 in Finnegans Wake?

http://www.finnegansweb.com/wiki/inde....

http://www.rosenlake.net/fw/Sterling-...

both have some interesting stuff

Nathan "N.R." Gaddis supposedly wrote: "for example" z.B., "zum Beispiel"

Verstanden und danke but in the future don't open a door around me labelled "why not Ger?" ok cuz I gots reasons.

Harry wrote: "Is there a list of the appearances of 1132 in Finnegans Wake?"

There must be a concordance of this kind somewhere. Meanwhile, and this might take an afternoon, but McHugh identifies pretty much every occurrence. When I was reading I made marginal notes of most (all?) of them, as I did with HCE and ALP.

Sounds like a fun afternoon. Time to grab McHugh and get to work.

Harry wrote: "Sounds like a fun afternoon. Time to grab McHugh and get to work."

Can we look forward to a full report?

In a day or so I will definitely post a list of all that I find.

So far I have discovered the number 1132 appears in number form 13 times in the text. 12 times as 1132 and 1 time as 11.32.
There are numerous occurrences of the numbers being separated by words and a lot more of 11 or 32 being spelled out. Even more are spelled out with a bit of pun and wordplay thrown in for good measure.
I think that the numbers should appear relatively close to each other to be counted so for instance if the top of the page mentions 11 and the bottom 32 I think this is probably not an instance of 1132.
I am still compiling a list of all of them that I find. Should be up in a week or so.

I am fairly certain this list is incomplete or might have an error or two (see the *'s) but it is the best I could do at the moment. Anyone know of any more I would be glad to know about them.

1132 – 13.33

1132 – 14.11

Subsec. 32, section 11 – 61.9-10

number 32 at the Rum and Puncheon – 69.33*
11/- in the week – 70.1*

eleven thirty to two – 70.33

eleven and thirty wingrests (circiter) to sternbooard out of his aerial thorpeto, - 77.6

eleventh dynasty to reach that thuddysickend – 84.32

32 to 11 – 95.14

1132 – 119.26

eleven men of thirtytwo – 120.25

eleven makes twelve territorials – 147.4-5 **

eleven in thirtytwo – 256.22

Number Thirty two West Eleventh – 274.12-13

1132 – 310.3

thirty two eleven – 338.5

11.32 – 348.32

1132 – 387.23

aleven thirty-two – 388.12-13

1132 – 388.20

1132 – 388.26

1132 – 389.13

1132 – 391.2

1132 – 397.30

1132 – 420.20

1132 – 420.23

Number eleven, Kane or Keogh’s, and in the course of about thirtytwo – 448.2-3

two and thirty plus undecimmed centries – 497.9***

eleven to thritytwo – 516.17

eleven thirstytoo – 517.30

No 11 hundred and thirty 2 – 574.6

* I don’t know if this is an intended 1132 as there is 4 lines between the numbers
** I am unsure of this reference
*** This should be checked. I put it here because I believe the word undecimmed is related to undecimated which means not to the tenth and therefore could be to the eleventh??? Anyone know anything more about this?

Harry wrote: "I am fairly certain this list is incomplete or might have an error or two (see the *'s) but it is the best I could do at the moment. Anyone know of any more I would be glad to know about them."

Sweet. I'll follow up with your *'s in the nearish future. Anyone else?

Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Sweet. I'll follow up with your *'s in the nearish future. Anyone else? "

"number 32 at the Rum and Puncheon – 69.33*
11/- in the week – 70.1*"

McHugh accepts it ; and I would be of the same opinion.

"eleven makes twelve territorials – 147.4-5 **"

I can't get 1132 out of 11 and 12.... except, maybe, "11+12=23" dyslexia'd into "32" ;; but I think it's more the emphasis on "12", ie, that "Bigbawl" plus "his boosers' eleven" add up to 12.

"two and thirty plus undecimmed centries – 497.9***"

"undecim" is Latin for "11" ; and with "centries" we get "1100" , so most definitely.


btw, many thanks for including line numbers ; standard Wake reference system which we've not beeen insisting upon here at Grappa, but it's always so much helpful.

An interesting theory around this number put forth by McHugh is that the Annuals of the Four Masters list the death of Finn MacCool as being 283 AD.
McHugh then multiplies:
283 X 2 = 566
283 X 4 = 1132
I wonder about this and while McHugh doesn't necessarily say so. My theory is that Finnegans Wake is structured on things reoccurring in fours. After 4 books the entire thing repeats. There are four cycles and so on.
So if Finn MacCool died in 283 it stands to reason that he would die again in 1132 or after 4 cycles of 283 years.
This is probably stretching things a bit but I wonder if anyone thinks this may be one of the reasons behind our mystery number.

Harry wrote: "An interesting theory around this number put forth by McHugh is that the Annuals of the Four Masters list the death of Finn MacCool as being 283 AD.
McHugh then multiplies:
283 X 2 = 566
283 X 4 = ..."

I think this is precisely right. 4 is perhaps the most important number in the book. Vico's 4, the four old men, the four books, HCE, ALP, Shem and Shuan (twins, so, two-in-one), Issy. I would imagine close reading would bring about innumerable instances of iterations of 4.

Millecientotrigintadue - 54.12

I just started an interesting article by M.J.C. Hodgart in one of the Newlitters that claims a direct connection between HCE and 1132. I haven't looked into it too far but his theory seems based around the idea that if letters are assigned a numerical value than H=8 C=3 E=5 so that HCE's number would be 16. This is the same number as 11+3+2.
I am unsure how sound this actually is but I believe there might be quite a bit to it as 16 = 4X4 or the wake's perfect number occuring the perfect amount of times.
Hodgart also goes into an ALP correlation which I will post later when I have time to look it over.

Of course 32 by itself has very popular with Bloom (law of falling bodies).

If I could try and contribute here I've always been interested in 1001. Some examples I've found in reading:

"There extand by now one thousand and one stories, all told, of the same." p.5

"...not a thousand or one national leagues." p.41

"(since in this scherzarade of one's thousand one nightinesses that sword of certainty which would indentifide the body never falls)" p.51

"Noah Beery weighed stone thousand one when Hazel was a hen." p.64

"...and lit thousands in one nightlights in hectares of windows." p.135

"...(for a thousand of tears...) there fell a tear, a singular tear,...a leaptear." p.159

"...a thousand and one of them,..." p.210

"Only the caul knows his thousndfirst name, Hocus Crocus,..." p.254

"It will be athousand's a won paddies." p.325

"...thousand, mine's won,..." p.412

"And for a night of thoughtsendyures and a day." p.295

"(like thousands done before since fillies calpered. Ocone! Ocone!
p.297

"It is the Thousand to One Guinea-Gooseberry's Lipperfull Slipver Cup." p.342

"...with alternate nightjoys of a thousand kinds but one kind." p.357

"...of a 1001 Ombrilla Street,..." p.492

"...a thousand and one times, according to your cock and biddy story?" p.519

"...one ought ought one." P.570

"...and the onebut thousand insels,..." p.604

"Whereapon our best again to a hundred and eleven ploose one thousand and one other blessings will now concloose thoose epoostles to your great kindest, well, for all at trouble to took." p.617

"One in a thousand of years of the nights?" p.627

All references are from my '76 Viking/Penguin FW.

1001? Interesting...

It was the quote on p.254 that first got me interested in following this number around the book.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/151464718/...

So here is something quite obscure that turned up a little while ago and was just recently brought to my attention. I unfortunately do not have the time to pour over it as I may wish at the moment but I am posting the link for any who may. I am sure this link has a better home that the 1132 discussion as well but aside from its own topic I am unsure where.
Page 5 is where the origins of 1132 are - or at least it is the earliest that I know of that Joyce started talking about the numbers.
Does anyone else know any earlier references in Ulysses or such?