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A Game of Thrones > 09/07/15 - Chapter 51: Sansa IV

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Clara 1-Funny how Sansa thinks Jeyne is a child for crying, even if she spent the first day she was locked doing the same. Besides, I think Jeyne knows nothing well happened to her father, she saw what was going on, Sansa didn't.

2-The bells confused me. Why did they sound it two days (or maybe a little more) after Robert died? Maybe because of everything that was going on?

3-Ser Arys Oakheart took her to the chambers she is in, on Cersei's orders, because Joffrey would not forgive his mother if something happen to Sansa. I wonder if Joffrey even knows what is going on. Also, did Sansa just agree to go? Or did they tell you something else? I don't think that's the case, she had no idea what was happening. I think she wanted to stay, so they did what they told her to do.

4-When Cersei calls her to the council chambers, and talks to her, it's almost sweet. I think someone more mature than Sansa would have seen through that.

5-Petyr will take care of Jeyne, since her father is out of the picture. Poor girl, I don't even want to think about Littlfinger taking care of anybody.

6-The whole "your father is a traitor" situation. They played so much with her! Telling he is a traitor, that she couldn't marry Joffrey now. Cersei knew that was going to affect her, and she got what she wanted.

7-Sansa told Cersei about them leaving. I wonder what role Petyr had in this, did he tell Cersei he was making Ned believe he'll have the City Wacth?

8-There is Littlefinger being a creepy again, talking about how much Sansa looks like Catelyn. Ugh.

9-I think Sansa talking about Arya having the traitor's blood, not her is so sad. She said that so fast as well. I know she is scared and a lot of information is being thrown at her at once, but I think she is just too in love with King's Landing, and she becoming a Queen, she just forgets things she wouldn't if this wasn't happening. But I understand why this happened, it's just sad.

10-Clearly they scared her and pushed her a lot, so she'll write the letters. I know the small council was in it, but Cersei was the mind after this.

11-Of course they won't let her see Ned, he'll tell her the truth and they know it. When Cersei told her Joffrey would decide what happens to her father, and she is happy about it, I was just shaking my head. She knows Joffrey will forgive his father if she asks him. She is such a fool for believing this, and it's so sad!

12-I really found it interesting she did not ask for Arya. It makes me wonder why she forgot about her sister.


Vicki Kalb | 310 comments 1. Poor Jeyne is not doing well being locked up; she keeps crying incessantly, even starting to annoy Sansa. She thinks she's such a child. Sansa is braver than I thought...or still very naive. Or not...she cried on the first day. "In the songs, the knights never screamed nor begged for mercy." :( Sansa only stopped crying when they threw Jeyne in the room with her, and she had to comfort her friend.

2. The second day was worse because of all the Lannister guards everywhere and it was eerily quiet.

3. I wonder what the grey plague is...greyscale?

4. For some reason Sansa is afraid for Joffrey. They hear bells ringing, indicating the king is dead. No one will tell them what's happening.

5. On the third day Ser Boros Blount, a member of the kingsguard, came to escort her to see the queen. She remembers her courtesies and tells him he's looking handsome this morning, wtf Sansa, lol. Perhaps she thinks she can attract more bees with honey than vinegar.

6. Sansa was hoping to see Joffrey with the queen but he's not here. Instead, Littlefinger, Varys, and Pycelle are with her. Traitors... Interesting that Cersei's wearing black, in mourning, with red rubies. Targaryen colors.

7. At first Cersei sounds so genuinely kind...until she finds out Ser Boros threw Jeyne Poole in the room with Sansa. Her tone is sharp and says the gods only know what kind of things the girl's been filling Sansa's head with, odd. Sansa says her friend has been frightened; she promised she could see her dad. When no one answers she fears Vayon Poole may have been killed, but that's not fair because he's just a steward; doesn't even own a sword.

8. Instead, the Queen makes arrangements for Jeyne to leave the city, right in front of Sansa, wtf. And we all know what's in store for poor Jeyne! It's definitely starting to sound like Vayon Poole is dead. They don't even have the decency to tell Sansa, either. Cersei's only reason is because Jeyne's upsetting her...wtf.

9. Haha at this: "Something about the way the small man [Littlefinger] looked at her made Sansa feel as though she had no clothes on." Littlefinger creeps her out for the third time in this book, that I remember.

10. Cersei knows how to manipulate Sansa; it is truly sad.

11. Pycelle is twisting Ned's words. He's promised Robert he'd protect Robert's children, not actually saying princes like Pycelle says he did. Urg, I hate when people do things like this!

12. Of course all these "evidences" are making Ned look like a traitor, but that's because no one knows Cersei's kids are bastards! The situation the Starks are in is shitty all around.

13. And now Cersei is guilting Sansa because she's "the daughter of a traitor." "How can I allow you to marry my son?" I want to punch Cersei. Sansa shouldn't! But she's playing off the young girl's naivety.

14. Oh I see, when Sansa ran off from Ned and Septa Mordane she went to the queen and told her of Ned's plans...because she didn't want to leave Joffrey...this is truly sad. I want to hate Sansa for betraying her father, but she just doesn't understand. Shortly after telling Cersei she is locked up and the fighting began. If she doesn't feel guilty now then she truly is a dunce!

15. Pycelle sounds like he believes wholeheartedly Sansa will be a traitor just like her dad. This horrifies her. You know what? I hope she does!

16. Fuck you, Cersei! She reminds Sansa about Arya and the wolf incident, pinning her against her sister again.

17. Interesting it's said Sansa could read and write better than any of her brothers, though she's hopeless at sums. This is the second time this is mentioned in the book.

18. This is fucked up, that Cersei is manipulating Sansa into trying to convince Robb and Catelyn to swear fealty to Joffrey, and in return she can still wed him. They'll tell her what to write, even. Even adding it will go very bad for all of them if they don't. The poor girl is only 11-years-old! Such pressure!

19. Sansa should follow her instincts. She wants to see her dad first but they won't let her because he's a traitor. This is such bullshit. I hate when Cersei says, "If you are truly as loyal as you say, why should you want to see him?" Because he's her father and she still loves him, you bitch! (Sorry, she just really gets to me sometimes).

20. Poor Sansa believes Joffrey would never harm her father... :(

21. When Sansa agrees, Cersei even has the gall to call it courage and good sense. Ugh. Straight up manipulation.

22. Apparently Sansa made four letters, not just two. One to Robb, one to Catelyn, one to her Aunt Lysa, and one to Grandpa Hoster Tully. Forgot about that.

23. When Sansa gets back to her room Jeyne Poole is gone, Sansa is relieved; no more crying -- though somehow her absence makes the room seem colder. :(

24. Oh snap! Sansa only now realizes she forgot to ask about Arya! Haha, don't feel bad; I did too. But Arya's in a much better situation than Sansa is in, a false sense of security.


Clara I think the grey plague is the greyscale. It makes sense at least.


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