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6.0. Character in Short Fiction
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Oct 02, 2015 11:16AM

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Regarding her past conflicts, Emily is rounded as she grows from her past. Her past shapes her point of view and action as implied by her mother, however the reader's reluctance to accept the narrators take on the story would determine if Emily is indeed flat or round. However, moving past the the question to what degree is Emily's character developed, what about the narrator? I feel the actual concept of Emily is but a detail; the reflections put on Emily is simply an implied development in the mother's thoughts and perspective. Although the story is of Emily, the story revolves around the mother's development which cannot be denied with verisimilitude.









Andrew wrote: "Sometimes if the reader only knows about a character through the eyes of another, the portrait that emerges is flat. Explain how you would evaluate Emily's character in "I Stand Here Ironing." In w..."


Emily is portrayed as a round character because of the description her mother gives of Emily changes throughout the story. For example her mother says “there was non of comedy in her when she came back” home, Emily’s mother didn’t see that funny side of Emily only the sad but later Emily shows her mothers comical side by “Sometimes, to make me laugh, or out of her despair, she would imitate happenings or types at school” and then changing from not excelling in school and not being recognized to being seen, “Emily began to be asked to perform at other high schools, even in colleges, then at city and statewide affairs.”

I think your statement is true that Emily's mother does not care for Emily even though she knows how Emily feels and that Emily is portrayed as sad.

Li-Yuen, your prospective of Emily is right of Emily changing into a dynamic character when she starts expressing her comical side and becomes a round character when Emily goes on stage and performs.


Not sure if this is how to respond, but I would agree that sometimes she may seem like a flat character, although I would probably deem her personality as flat, at least for a period in her life, and not her character itself.

Emily's mom describes her daughter when she was young very boringly. I think it was all part of Emily's character development though, showing how she grew into a confident individual. I would argue that her character was thoroughly round throughout the entire story.

In As I stand here Ironing, Emily is portrayed both as a flat and rounded character. When her mother is describing her she is merely seen as a flat character, because we only knows what she looks like, but when little pieces of her character come up she starts to become a rounded character. When Emily's mom states that she told jokes and was in the stage that she barely recognized her, it makes us see Emily as more than the girl her mother describes it shows us that she did have a rough upbringing but she got past that and was more than her childhood or her insecurities. We see that she has personality she becomes someone that you and me can relate to, and changes how we see her.


With that being said, she is also a rounded character due to the fact the narrator describes her changes in bearing as time progresses in the story. At first, the narrator describes her daughter as a “beautiful baby” who “loved motion, loved light, loved color and music and textures.” This gives the reader an idea on how Emily was at the start of the story, a very joyful and loving baby. As the story goes on, the narrator describes the conflict she has, and how this had a rather negative impact on Emily growing up. She was described in pretty depressing way to the point where the narrator said her face was, “closed and somber.” This was usually the constant theme in the story on how Emily had a pretty rough childhood growing up due to her mother tending to other matters, but that again is changed. As you continue reading the story, you find that Emily has a talent for comedy, and how she enjoys telling jokes and so on.
At first it may seem that Emily is a flat character completely, but if you read the story more thoughtfully and such, you see the development that occurs through what is being said about her by her mother. The joyful and loving baby, to a very somber and closed child, and now a humorous and talented performer. Although, I still would say her character is limited due to not having any insight on how Emily feels and such in the story.



I agree with your point. If Emily had indeed grown up in a different manner then she probably would've had a more positive attitude and outlook on life. Rather than be the "somber" persona she is depicted as.

I agree with your point of view. Emily indeed changed with time, based on her performances, but we can see also how she was a miracle for her mom and change to become a struggle for her. We can create a contrast of the development of Emily as a child and adolescent.

I agree that Emily is clearly a round character when bunching all the facts about her. However, taking the whole story in account, we know only what the mother sees in her and not Emily's actual take on things. For this reason, we do not actually know if Emily has taken her past experiences and indeed use them to allow her to grow. Assuming every character is flat in the beginning and allowing layers of information to round them, in this case we would not have any reliable information to say, yes, she is round and has grown in insights.

I agree with your point of view. The mother does portray Emily as a flat character in the beginning. Emily's mother point of view does change after Emily makes people laugh with her acting and comedy, which the audience keeps applauding and applauding.

I agree Emily's mother does characterize her as a depressed child through most of the story. The mother does describe little change in Emily's personality. Which Emily in the end does transforms into a round character.

I agree that Emily's character shifted from flat to round as we learned about her inner comedian. I didn't think that she would change so drastically, so, to me, it was also a surprise.

I agree that Emily's character was both flat and round throughout the story, and would also say, that Emily's mother limited the reader's knowledge of Emily's character. Because of this, we must find out Emily's true personality through the memories of her mother-for example, the first time Emily became "somebody."

I do agree with your evaluation. Emily is indeed a round character due to the surprise the reader encounters towards the end of the story when she embraces her comical side.


I agree with you Leslie, in that Emily is first a flat character and later on in the story she turns into a round character.

I agree with you Eunice, in the fact that Emily's mother didn't really see Emily's comical side until later in the story and noticed how it was he gift and that she changed from a depressed person to a person that makes people laugh.

I agree with Leslie at first Emily is more of a flat character because she is quite and doesn't really expose how she really is. At the end she start to be her self and she all smiling and even doing comedy.

I agree with Tarci that Emily at first is a flat dimensional her mother describes her as quite. "I wish you would manage the time to come in and talk with me about your daughter. I’m sure you can help me understand her." At the end you see Emily more expressive not like in the beginning.

I agree with your point of view Miss. Jennifer.I liked the way you as described so essentially the most interesting points that stand in the life of Emily.

I agree with Eunice , that Emily's mother didn't show her that love that she needed because in the beginning of the story is told that she had to leave her baby girl with the neighbor ."When she was eight months old, I had to leave her daytime's with the woman downstairs to whom she was no miracle at all, for I worked or looked for work and for Emily’s father, who “could no longer endure” (he wrote in his goodbye note) “sharing want with us.” It was difficult for Emily's mother to take care of her because she had to work in order to support her child that made her do sacrifices. Emily's child hood wasn't the perfect one too but it does have a round character by the way her mother changes with in the story as Eunice also states that Emily wasn't the funniest but that she "sometimes, to make me laugh , or out of her despair , she would imitate happening or types at school" there it was when Emily also made her self know.

Mr. Jose how to explain this I try to assimilate your point of view in order to understand, but after a little more time assimilate your view. what i can say i don't not support some parts of your comment. Example "words: unsatisfied, complicated", also remember is just mi point of view.


Uzi, I strongly agree with your point that maybe Emily is not the girl that is described by her mother in this story, perhaps she only behaves such way when her mother is around. Possibly her mother was struck by this idea when she saw Emily perform on stage. Maybe not.


I agree with Uzi because she stands out the point that the story is being told by the mother's perspective and how when she stands there ironing throughout the nights which is a flat character. But as Uzi said if it would of been told by someone else it could've been a round character because it would've surprise us in how they change throughout the story.As per that its being said that “her mother said that Emily was unrecognizable to her after few minutes onto her acting” Making it seem that she still didn't finish knowing her own child after all those years.

I agree with you! I too thought that she was both round and flat throughout the story but she was portrayed more as a flat character in my opinion. I think that this was because the story was told from the mother's point of view only.

this is definitely true, because as the story progresses so do the layers or dimensions of Emily's character