Debate discussion

Same rules apply.

*grabs popcorn*

What are the rules about outsiders commenting?

Lauren wrote: "*grabs popcorn*

What are the rules about outsiders commenting? "

Same rules. No one else can comment.

What shall we debate about first?

Holly wrote: "What shall we debate about first?"

Economics or healthcare, you choose.

Healthcare.

So you are against Socialized Medicine, I take it?

No.

Then we have nothing to debate about there XDDDD

Why did you assume that I was?

Because you spoke out against abortion, which normally only happens when people don't understand the concept of liberties, American freedoms, the principles our country was built on, etc.

I said in the other topic, I don't want abortion to become illegal. I am not naive enough to think that making something against the law doesn't mean it happens. I mean, stealing cars is against the law and thousands of vehicles are stolen everyday. If the government were to outlaw abortion, women would begin to go to unsafe sources for abortions.

I am aware that abortion isn't going away any time soon, legal or otherwise. I would much rather women get abortions from safe sources and live than the alternative.

I AM opposed to killing fetuses.

Well, it's not killing. That's just not true.

By eight weeks old, perfectly within the time frame of abortions, a fetus has brain function, a heartbeat, lungs, ears, and eyes.

It's killing.

And abortions are performed before that time.
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Sure, some are performed before eight weeks, but a good number are performed during or after that time period.

Actually, no, unless the health of the mother is at stake. Go reread your facts.

It cannot live on it's own, it isn't sentient being. I know it makes me sound incredibly callous but it's true. The fetus just doesn't have life on it's own. I mean, I'm the type of guy who eat lobster because it's boiled alive, I don't like anything to suffer. And I still don't believe Abortion is murder.

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Abortions are performed until the fetus is 13 weeks old by a suction and cutterage procedure. Abortions aren't usually performed after 12 weeks, but any time before that is fair game. Go reread YOUR facts.

The first trimester is when abortion is allowed.

Like I said.

And within that section, it's clearly not murder.

Except, by the time a fetus is 8 weeks old - still within the first trimester - it's pretty damn developed. While it may not be viable, it can't be said that it isn't human.

And I never said that abortion was murder. I said it was killing. There's a difference.

Alright, fair enough. I think we agree enough on this to quit arguing. How do you feel about the environment?

Sucks. We need to get our act together.

Hahah right on, I agree. What about the death penalty?

Bad thing. Bad bad bad thing. What happened to just locking someone up for the rest of their life?

Hahah, yes! Hmmm. Torture on terrorist detainees?

I don't like it, but I understand the necessity.

Ahhh, I disagree. It's proven that torture is actually harmful to getting information.

So if we just hand the terrorists a beer and turn on ESPN, they'll be talking in no time, right?

Holly wrote: "So if we just hand the terrorists a beer and turn on ESPN, they'll be talking in no time, right?"

That is a gross oversimplification, but you have the right idea.

Sometimes gross oversimplication is just the way to go. Where is it said that being all buddy-buddy with terrorists will get you more information?

Okay, I have to go. Found a list of chores that MUST be done AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I'll get back to you later.

Holly wrote: "Sometimes gross oversimplication is just the way to go. Where is it said that being all buddy-buddy with terrorists will get you more information?"

Pretty much every guy who has ever worked for the CIA says that being kind to a suspect is about a trillion times more likely to get information out of them.

Okay. I wasn't aware of that. I really don't know much about that topic.

I'd still rather cut off a few important appendages. :P

I think it reflects poorly on a country who raises hell when any of it's citizens are tortured/detained/kidnapped by other countries, and then we completely hold ourselves apart from the standards we hold others too.

You're right. I actually started looking up some information about this topic after we started. Now that I know more about it, I agree with you.

Right on. Let's see, gotta be something we disagree on. What are your views on welfare?

Good thing. In most cases. If people are using it so they don't have to get a job, bad. For people who are genuinely struggling, good.

Right on. What about the legalization of marijuana?

No. No no no no no no no no no.

Okay, here we got something. And why is that?

We have enough addictive and legal substances already. We don't need another one.

So you want to keep something illegal that millions of Americans partake in, is about a trillion times less damaging then alcohol, and would contribute BILLIONS of dollars in taxes?

You bet your ass.

Hmmm, very backwards. Alcohol has literally caused millions of deaths just through overdose. Marijuana? None. Not even one.

What? That didn't make sense...

Typo, my bad. Better?