Delirity discussion

Mastered 200+ pages of horrible writing, nonexistent plot a ditzy blonde blue eyed main character who all the men around her immediately love because she's so dumb and simple and pure and doesn't know how beautiful she really is. She's like the puppy they always wanted, afraid of her own shadow. a main guy who's a crazy asshole bastard and of course insta love. (view spoiler)[ I think this book takes place in less than a month after their first meeting when he goes down on her after meeting her for less than 3 mins he decides she should move in dump her long term girlfriends and job and depend solely on him and her dumb ass agrees and also dumbs/ curses out her friends who are trying to look out for her. (hide spoiler)] granted she gets what she deserves in the end IMO. 2nd book continues their story , third is Silas story. He's the most interesting character of them all so far.

Chakara wrote: " who all the men around her immediately love because she's so dumb and simple and pure "

Ugh. I hate it when the males just fall for the girl.

Please tell me you were joking about the shadow thing.

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Chakara wrote: " who all the men around her immediately love because she's so dumb and simple and pure "

Ugh. I hate it when the males just fall for the girl.

Please tell me you were joking abou..."

nope if a man makes a loud sound she will cower her bottom lip will quiver and her eyes will start to water then the big strong men will think about how cute and pure she is and talk softly to her until she stops cowering.

i don't think thats a spoiler just a warning.

Oh. Thank you for telling me. I was going to buy this one out of love for her past books.

Yeah. I'll skip.

See I took things as Evangeline not so much as scared of her shadow, just didn't have a clue of her self worth. For crying out loud she has taken care of her parents since she was 9, she never really learned all the things a teen girl does.

The whole moving in with Drake happened fast, I went with it. I thought he needed to explain things to her better.

I liked the group of guys. To me they all were super jaded and her honesty and goodness wasn't something they were used to dealing with.

I do agree that Silas was interesting. I also wanted to know more about what Drake's business was.

I hated Evangeline's friends, they sure dropped her like a hot potato! Also, instead of paying rent on the apartment why didn't Drake get them all jobs in his clubs where they would be making lots more money?

SPOILERS FOR WHOLE BOOK.


I guess different people will view it different ways. I just don't understand how someone can not only (view spoiler)[drop but tell off her closest and best friends for someone she met for a couple of days. It's not that they weren't her real friends I think its more that she didn't know how to be a real friend. (hide spoiler)]

(view spoiler)[When she was making the cookies and handing them out to drakes men and one guy comes in a little too loud she was cowering bottom lip shaking eyes watering like a sad puppy. they basically had to do the whole dog/ baby voice on her like " its okay girl yeesss come here girl come here don't be scared goooood girl!" (hide spoiler)]

really hated it.

I'm hoping now that she has learned her lesson with the ending she will be a fast learner and things will be a lot different in the next book.

Also I didn't like how they made it seem like she wasn't that smart just because she got her GED like...wtf.

Darcy wrote: "See I took things as Evangeline not so much as scared of her shadow, just didn't have a clue of her self worth. For crying out loud she has taken care of her parents since she was 9, she never real..."


THE FOLLOWING MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS!!!!!


even if you don't have a clue about your self worth there is still a little something called common sense which I actually believe she has but chose to ignore. (view spoiler)[ She new it was wrong to drop her friends , she knew it was wrong to move in with some man who for all she knew was a serial killer (hide spoiler)] but, she chose to be naive hoping for the best.

Like she is in the concrete jungle with no one put her friends to worry about her well being etc. friends who she knows way better than this guy I would prob have called the cops too. A good friend would be worried esp when they know your prone to acting naive . ya know?

(view spoiler)[I get what you are saying about her friends, but they wronged her too. I didn't like how after she made her decision they dropped her too. How when she tried to plan a night they were more upset that they had to cover her shifts. If it was me I would stick closer to her in case she needed me, not ignore her because I was mad/jealous/whatever.

I also thought the guys responded to her because they were used to the kind of women that came up to Drake in the parking lot, not someone who would take the time to cook for them or want to try to take care of them, to hate getting expensive gifts. (hide spoiler)]

Darcy wrote: "I get what you are saying about her friends, but they wronged her too. I didn't like how after she made her decision they dropped her too. How when she tried to plan a night they were more upset th..."

Might want to mark your spoilers for anyone who hasn't read the book.

Done. We've got to get someone else to see what they think of this one was we had such different thoughts. lol

Darcy wrote: "Done. We've got to get someone else to see what they think of this one was we had such different thoughts. lol"

our ratings aren't that different though.

Darcy wrote: "Done. We've got to get someone else to see what they think of this one was we had such different thoughts. lol"

also i think some specifics of your other posts might need to be marked for spoilers or at the least a spoiler warning. i'd feel bad if our conversation ruined the book for someone who might want to give it a try.

No, but I went in with super low expectations due to what you had said. I wonder though what I would have thought had you not read it.

Darcy wrote: "No, but I went in with super low expectations due to what you had said. I wonder though what I would have thought had you not read it."

Hm, I think our main difference in opinion is Evangeline we both agree on the crazy assholiness of Drake and that he got what he deserved in the end.

True.

I read the spoilers! Ha-ha. But by the time I think about getting around to this book I'll probably have forgotten. It does seem like you both got different interpretations of the lead.

Um, guys. I'm reading this right now. It's sooooooooooo bad.

(Yeah Darcy! I'm weighing in! ^_-)

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Um, guys. I'm reading this right now. It's sooooooooooo bad.

(Yeah Darcy! I'm weighing in! ^_-)"

Can't wait to find out what you think of the book once your finished. Apparently some people even gave it four stars...

Chakara wrote: "Can't wait to find out what you think of the book once your finished. Apparently some people even gave it four stars."

I don't doubt that. I've noticed that there are people that give every book 4 or 5 stars. How is that even possible? What I like is that people will even start a review with "I didn't like this one, but..."

Why are you rating it so high them?

Sorry! I'll get off my soap box now.

Darcy wrote: "Chakara wrote: "Can't wait to find out what you think of the book once your finished. Apparently some people even gave it four stars."

I don't doubt that. I've noticed that there are people that g..."

I understand. I guess they are thinking that the author might come across it and they don't want to hurt their feelings or possible get cursed out by fans that love the book they dislike or by the authors themselves. However, i think it best to be truthful if you are going to review it helps everyone involved and saves people a lot of time, I think.

That has been one of my big pet peeves now. Rating too high or giving out nothing but 4 to 4 stars.

Anywho, sorry guys. I could not make myself finish it.

First off this writing was bad. There was a grammar error on the first page, and while that's being picky. Little errors like that kept occurring.

Not to mention the writing was showing not telling. And the dialogue between the characters was atrocious.

Plus, when I first so this book on the shelves in the store I thought it was trying to mooch off 50 Shades fans. Everything about this book felt borrowed and dull. The writing was lifeless! And pretty lame. If I read "heads would roll" one more freaking time . . .

And Evangeline . . . no. No. No. I was not going to spend the whole book having characters tell her that she was "pretty and that she didn't see it only made her more stunning!" Fuck that shit. There's innocence and naive, but then there's just freaking stupid. Ugh.

(view spoiler)[And why was she moving in so fast? What happened to her independent "I'm not here to have sex and a boyfriend" talk? It seemed weird how thinks went down with her friends. Why would they act like that if they really had the kind of friendship that was described at the start? Not to mention that I was tired of all the posturing, pissy men. It's called being a jerk, even if it's supposed to be "hot". (hide spoiler)]

There are over 300 pages to use to create interesting characters and utilize some writing skills. Banks can write, I just can't believe she wrote this shit. I even jumped around and speed read just to see if it would get better. I hate speed reading, but it was the only way to get through it.

I held out for the first sexy time scene to see if there was at least some tension and emotion I could get behind there. Nope. This was shit.

Sorry guys. I'm just having a really bad time with romance books lately.

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Sorry guys. I'm just having a really bad time with romance books lately."

i don't think its you thats having a bad time I think romances are just getting to be more and more of a hot mess. Everyone is popping out a romance to cash in especially the D/s romances.

Chakara wrote: "However, i think it best to be truthful if you are going to review it helps everyone involved and saves people a lot of time, I think."

I agree with you.

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Anywho, sorry guys. I could not make myself finish it.

First off this writing was bad. There was a grammar error on the first page, and while that's being picky. Little errors like that kept occu..."

Looks like I'm odd man out with this one. lol

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Sorry guys. I'm just having a really bad time with romance books lately."

I feel like that with UF lately.

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Anywho, sorry guys. I could not make myself finish it.

First off this writing was bad. There was a grammar error on the first page, and while that's being picky. Little errors like that kept occu..."

Yes, the thing about her thinking she wasn't pretty or that she was out of shape when really she was shapely and more stunning than everyone else. ugh

I could tell at the end that Banks can write but she just chose not to.

The book lost any type of sexiness to me when (view spoiler)[ Drake decided that having another man have sex with her including anal while he watched and dictated would be awesome and she forced herself to do it to " please him" because she fully " trusted" him (hide spoiler)] you go from being a virgin just a few weeks early to this. It was just like w...t...f.

Chakara wrote: "The book lost any type of sexiness to me when (view spoiler) you go from being a virgin just a few weeks early to this. It was just like w...t...f. "

This didn't bother me because I've seen it in other erotica books. It was big a few years ago, not so much now.

I've seen that in other erotic books too. But (view spoiler)[ the characters were enjoying it and liked it.

I have to go with Chakara, because she was doing it to "please him" and she wasn't really having fun. It wasn't right. I greatly dislike it when a woman does it because the guy likes it, but it makes them uncomfortable or they don't like it period.

I felt like Drake shouldn't have been getting pleasure from it because he could see she wasn't that into it. (hide spoiler)]

Ah! This is so much fun guys! I miss having good debates in this group. ^_-

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "I've seen that in other erotic books too. But the characters were enjoying it and liked it.

I have to go with Chakara, because she was doing it to "please him" and she wasn't really having fun. ..."

I think he shouldn't have done it too, it was too soon, they were jsut getting to know each other.

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Ah! This is so much fun guys! I miss having good debates in this group. ^_-"


For sure!

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "I've seen that in other erotic books too. But the characters were enjoying it and liked it.

I have to go with Chakara, because she was doing it to "please him" and she wasn't really having fun. ..."

I agree its fine if both are enjoying it. They are grown adults. But, she clearly wasn't comfortable with it nor was she ready for something like that. It was just what she thought she should do to please him and be closer to him. Which was another problem I had with Drake and Evangeline (view spoiler)[anytime she would speak out about being uncomfortable or needing answers he would guilt her into just being like " o ok then I'm sorry" nothing would change it would all just remain just the way he liked it. (hide spoiler)] I think he picked a weakling that that he could manipulate and then tried to delete anyone of importance that might be able to get her to smarten up.

Chakara wrote: "I agree its fine if both are enjoying it. They are grown adults. But, she clearly wasn't comfortable with it nor was she ready for something like that. It was just what she thought she should do to please him and be closer to him. Which was another problem I had with Drake and Evangeline (view spoiler) I think he picked a weakling that that he could manipulate and then tried to delete anyone of importance that might be able to get her to smarten up."

That is true.

I also didn't find her naivety to be all that realistic. From first hand experience if you have to support your family at a young age you grow up faster. She talks about (view spoiler)[ having to drop out of high school and work to help her family (hide spoiler)] while other children were being sheltered from real world responsibilities by their parents she was not. This will create a certain level of street smarts and a different level of problem solving that she doesn't display.

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Ah! This is so much fun guys! I miss having good debates in this group. ^_-"

me too!! It's so much fun to discuss books in greater detail.

Chakara wrote: "Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "I've seen that in other erotic books too. But the characters were enjoying it and liked it.

I have to go with Chakara, because she was doing it to "please him" and s..."

Preach!!

Chakara wrote: "I also didn't find her naivety to be all that realistic. From first hand experience if you have to support your family at a young age you grow up faster. She talks about [spoilers removed] while ot..."

I thought that too! She should have had some vague street smarts.

Chakara wrote: "I also didn't find her naivety to be all that realistic. From first hand experience if you have to support your family at a young age you grow up faster. She talks about [spoilers removed] while ot..."

I took it that she came from a small town, so street smarts wouldn't be the same as a person raised in the city.

Darcy wrote: "Chakara wrote: "I also didn't find her naivety to be all that realistic. From first hand experience if you have to support your family at a young age you grow up faster. She talks about [spoilers r..."

I'm not entirely sure about that but possibly to some people. I've been head of house hold since I was old enough to file taxes, before that I still worked to help support me and my brothers my mother is on disability. I've been signing their school reports and homework sheets since I was 10 and having grown up conversations with their teachers about their work, getting their school clothes, cooking the meals , dealing with the bills.

She seems to be an only child yet I'm sure some of these things still apply to her as well. I'm from a small town in North Carolina. At 19 I moved to the city of Atlanta, alone. Once you learn how to navigate the grown up world there is no going back its all the same. IMHO.

I think because I already knew how to do those things and because I knew what I wanted and how people were I was able to hit the ground running and learn other things quickly as I went.

Maybe I'm different but I know there are others with similar situations.

I admit it does make you tired. I'm now 25 and I feel like I'm 40 I missed out on a lot of things children and teens get to experience . I think this is why she was eager to throw all common sense out the window to finally have some man she barely knew and could tel there was something wrong with take care of her.

Chakara wrote: "I'm not entirely sure about that but possibly to some people. I've been head of house hold since I was old enough to file taxes, before that I still worked to help support me and my brothers my mother is on disability. I've been signing their school reports and homework sheets since I was 10 and having grown up conversations with their teachers about their work, getting their school clothes, cooking the meals , dealing with the bills.

She seems to be an only child yet I'm sure some of these things still apply to her as well. I'm from a small town in North Carolina. At 19 I moved to the city of Atlanta, alone. Once you learn how to navigate the grown up world there is no going back its all the same. IMHO.

I think because I already knew how to do those things and because I knew what I wanted and how people were I was able to hit the ground running and learn other things quickly as I went.

Maybe I'm different but I know there are others with similar situations."

I get this, that she knows that part of life. But it also seemed like she was sheltered in other ways. Big city living is different from small town, as someone who has lived in both there are things you don't think about. And NYC is the biggest city, has a different vibe. She seemed like she was doing ok, but it was only when she encountered Drake, a rich guy, who frankly lives in a world most of us can't imagine, that she seemed extra innocent.

I also think you are right that maybe part of why she said yes to him was there was finally someone to take care of her, that even if he was a stranger it would be nice for one to be the center instead of the one who takes care of everything.

Darcy wrote: "Chakara wrote: "I'm not entirely sure about that but possibly to some people. I've been head of house hold since I was old enough to file taxes, before that I still worked to help support me and my..."

interesting not sure what things wouldn't be thought about . I think for me it was harder trying to get back to small town living or small city living as neither the nearest cities or my town has adequate public trans etc. you can't just walk or ride the train down town and have a ball . it's very depressing.

But, I think overall this just goes back to our difference of opinion of the main character which seems to stem from our own life experiences etc.

Interesting to see how we can all read the same book and gain different meanings etc. out of it.

Will you be continuing with the series?

Darcy wrote: "Chakara wrote: "I also didn't find her naivety to be all that realistic. From first hand experience if you have to support your family at a young age you grow up faster. She talks about [spoilers r..."

I take offense. ^_- As a small town country girl who occasionally gets a twang in her voice.

Farm living does not mean sheltered. Or small town. And most likely if she was finding work she'd have to a bigger city. If she had to take on that kind of responsibility she'd have streets/world smarts. Plus, now she's lived in the Big Apple for two to three years. She's had the benefits of both worlds. She's also interacted with a wide variety of people working in a bar for however long she has been.

Chakara wrote: "Will you be continuing with the series? "

Ooo! Will you Darcy?

I won't be.

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Darcy wrote: "Chakara wrote: "I also didn't find her naivety to be all that realistic. From first hand experience if you have to support your family at a young age you grow up faster. She talks abo..."

I agree. That's something else that annoyed me about her in fact I think its the main thing. I felt like she was faking ditziness , innocence etc. just so she wouldn't have to think about the stupid decisions she was making.

I come from an area that didn't even have a mcdonalds when I was growing up. We had to go to the nearest city for mcdonalds. Something a lot of people take for granted. However people adapt its part of our survival as human beings so yeah she wasn't realistic to me.

Shera (Book Whispers) wrote: "Chakara wrote: "Will you be continuing with the series? "

Ooo! Will you Darcy?

I won't be."

I'm not sure if I will either. If my library can get it I'd like to see them both crash and burn though it will prob end up being a HEA which would suck because these characters don't need to be together. Also, I'm interested in book 3 which strangely is about another lead. One of Drakes me Silas and his love life.

I also doubt the writing will change. She obviously continues to be successful even when she writes s*** so why would she try to write better?

At this point I'm going to continue with the series. I can get them from my library, so I'm not out any money.

The town (4,000 people) that I grew up in didn't have a national chain restaurant until I was in 7th grade, I'm over 40 now. Even now when I go back there are only a 2, there are a couple of regional ones. The road in front of house, which was in town, didn't get paved until 6th grade. All the small towns around us had kids bussed in. My graduating class was only 120 people. If we wanted to go to the mall, it was an hour drive away to a city of 45,000, or if we wanted to go to a big town, it was 90 minutes away.

I know when I went to college, it was a bit eye opening. After college (10,000 people) I moved to the Twin Cities, things again were eye opening. City living was so different to get used to. I lived in the Twin Cities for a couple of years when a job took me to Atlanta for a few months. I didn't worry because by then I'd lived in a big city for years, but Atlanta was very different. Again eye opening for me. So while the TC's are a big city they don't feel like that.

Overall, I like the TC's, just wish that winter wasn't so long.