Feverborn discussion

Omg, I did not see that coming! Holy crap.

i Know!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At the same time, it was so perfect- that final line: "Got you, sweet thing."

I loved the ending! Not only did we finally see Dani/Jada and Mac have an emotional moment. But finally the moment thats been building since the very first book in the series, has happend!!!
I think this means next book we'll be getting a lot more of Jada's POV in the next book rather than Macs.

Saphia wrote: "I loved the ending! Not only did we finally see Dani/Jada and Mac have an emotional moment. But finally the moment thats been building since the very first book in the series, has happend!!!
I thin..."

I think that is what will happen as well. I feel we'll be getting a lot more POVs from multiple characters which worries me a tad as a prefer sticking with just a select few. Hope to see more from Jada, the Unseelie King, and maybe Barrons as well. I'd love to get inside his head when he discovers that the book has taken over Mac.

Yeah you're right, hopefully we don't get too many POV's in the next book, since I like getting fully emersed in a character when we're reading there story. As opposed to having a different POV in EVERY chaper.
It definetely will be amazing if we could see Barrons POV when he finds out Mac has been taken over or atleast see his reaction.
I'm curious about what it would take for Mac to come back and overpower the book. (Perhaps the book trying or almost killing Barrons since we know she almost lost it when she though her was dead?) I mean the book has been tricking her this whole time and keeping quiet in order to provide her with a false sense of security to make her more likely to open the book. It's trapped her and is 'in the drivers seat' now.
Also I'm looking forward to seeing what the book gets up to, now it has a host. The destruction the Sinsar Dubh will bring will be catastropic. And because everything Mac knew now the book does too, especially about The Nine, so they could be in danger too.
Which makes me think a lot will happen in the next books like the destruction the sinsar dubh will bring, getting Mac back some how, finding the song of making, the whole Dani/Jada and Ryodan situation etc.
As you can see, I wont last another year waiting for the next year.

Very true! I didn't consider how the book would now know everything that Mac knows about everyone else. I'm really curious to see what the book will do about Cruce because he also supposedly absorbed it but maybe didn't? I'm a bit confused on that part as its been a long time between books and can't remember if it's been addressed yet. I hope that it doesn't take them long to figure out what's happened to Mac. I know she told Jada to run at the end, but who knows if they're even still in Dublin at this point considering the book may have taken them into the Silvers or somewhere else to get away from the Sweeper. If that's the case, who knows how long it will take Jada to get back to Dublin to warn everyone else of what has happened. Very interested to see what the UK does seeing as he has such "I could give a f*ck what happens to the world" attitude lol.

I'm a little confused regarding Cruce, I think they explained in Feverborn he absorbed the spells and not the dark magic which would explain why he wasn't taken over? I'm not 100% sure about that.
You're right they could have taken Mac and Dani anywhere since they were knocked out, so it may take a longer for Dani to reach for help. I'm hoping there not in the Silvers though, just because I don't want to have to see Jada trying to escape again and also the time jump because of them being in the Silvers.
I think the Books ultimate goal is to go back to the Unseelie King as he would be the most powerful host in the Universe. So I think if the book in some way was able to merge with the UK and threatened his existance, he'd even be less inclinced to help save earth if he thinks the black holes could get the Book out of the way maybe? lol.
Also did you notice we didn't get many of the nine in this book, except for Ryodan, Barrons and Lor? I know they talked about maybe two others, but we didn't get any scenes with them. I honestly thought we'd get to meet another memeber of the nine we havent seen since we've only met I think 6 members.

Any thoughts on the Tribunal.

Ok, I have to jump in here!

I love this series but there is so much that has gone on throughout the series that I can't remember and get confused on what's going on. Didn't Mac overhear Rhyoden say something about "creating a team", for lack of better terms. Such as, Daegus, Dancer, Christian, Dani and Mac. How I understood it was that he was going change them into what the Nine are but I could be wrong about that. Does anyone remember that part? I think it was at the first of the book when Mac was still invisible. Maybe that's how Mac will overcome the book, by Barrons making her one like the Nine. Wouldn't the book try to get back to it's creator, the Unseelie King?

Is Shazam real????? Do you want him to be real?????

Does anyone think there a significance for Kat being pregnant and staying at Chesters?

And the whole Aoibheal/concubine is very confusing to me. Is she alive? Was it the Seelie queen that as in the tapestry? (Chapter 25)

Who do you think will be the one to discover the Song of Making? Mac keeps hearing music but it's very dark and disturbing so I don't think it will be her.

I read the Q&A session with KMM that she conducted at the Feverborn launch party. Apparently she does not intend for all of the mysteries to be solved, especially about the Nine, by the time she ends the series. I find that frustrating to be honest. I also don't like knowing how many more books she plans to write.
(this was from KMM's Q&A)

Q: Does this story end with Feversong? Or 2 books after that?

KMM: I won’t talk about future books. I think this story arc…. Part of this story arc is going to come to a conclusion in Feversong or I would fail at my job. It needs to. But I’m doing something, and I’m very curious to see how it turns out. I don’t want to talk about it. If it works then I’ll be delighted. We will see at the end of Feversong

Soooo FRUSTRATING!!!!!

Sorry, I don't have a clue about the Tribunal. I didn't think that the Nine answered to anyone. Apparently they do. I just hope that it's something that gets addressed and not something that's kept a mystery.

A lot of questions lol, let me try to answer…..
I honestly don’t remember Ryodan deciding he would change all of those people. He changed Daegus solely because he needed him for his plan. But in Feverborn, I do know he was planning to change Dani for personal reasons, and Barrons called him out on it. He wants to do it because he wants Dani to be completely immortal and because The Nine aren’t the same anymore. He sounded like he wanted more of a family structure again, basically suggesting that the nine used to be more tight knit but are no longer, for example, Kasteo doesn’t speak to anyone because they killed his first love thousands of years ago.
I honestly for some reason don’t want Mac to overcome the book because Barrons changes her into a beast. I want to see her overcome it herself and see character development. I definitely do not want Barrons to completely be the reason she comes through, because she already relies on him too much.
Yes I definitely believe the book wants to go back to the UK, as he’s the most powerful being in the universe.
Shazam is real, he’s someone Dani met in the silvers but something happened, I don’t think we were told why she had to leave him, but a year prior (silver time) she left him behind. So she’s been imagining a teddy bear was him because she found comfort in it. That’s also why she fed it fish, it was because she missed him, after being with him for the past few years. Yeah I definitely do want him to be real, because he’s an interesting character that we haven’t met before, plus it would be cool to see Dani giving Shazam all the attention and Ryodan getting prissy.
I think there’s a reason Kats pregnant. I’ve been thinking for a while that maybe the kids not Sean’s but Cruce’s because she did have sex with him, though in a dream. Bearing in mind, I’m not actually sure if Fae and humans can have children together, but he has Sinsar Dubh spells on him, so who knows lol.
Aoibheal is the concubine. Basically the concubine who was human was with the UK, and then Cruce turned her into a Fae while making her drink from the cup which caused her to lose her human memories so she never knew she was human. Now the UK is trying to get her memories back but she doesn’t believe.
I think Mac has been hearing the dark music the UK used to make the Unseelie. Right at the beginning of the book, on Part I, it basically states that if you lose the song of making, you’ll have to gather it from all the far corners of all the galaxies again.
I heard that there’s 3 books left. That Feversong is basically going to tie up most of the lose ends, and then KMM said that she’s going to do something different with the final two books. Who knows, it could be a different point of view from someone we haven’t met yet or it could be set in The Nines past.
I don’t mind some things being left to mystery but hopefully most questions are answered.
I hope the next book has 800 pages lol so I can get these answers without it feeling rushed.

Saphia, congratulations! You are my new BFF (Best FEVER Friend) LOL

First, thank you for taking the time and responding to my rambling questions.
Second, how the heck did you remember all of that?!? I can't seem to remember any of the details from the earlier books.
Anyway …

I was probably mistaken about Ryodan's intention about "creating a team". I think maybe he was simply trying to gather individuals that would help with the current problems everyone was facing (black holes).

Ok, so Barrons doesn't change Mac into a beast …
This is what I would like to see happen with Mac and the book. I would like for her to overcome it on her own and somehow control it, or in the very least, harness it's powers. In the first few books, Mac was discovering who and what she was and what she wasn't … the Juicy Girl became a pretty kick-ass sidhe seer and evil book host. Now, she is having to figure out what she is going to do about all these new changes and where she goes from here on out. She relied so heavily on Barrons and now she needs to become independent and more of his equal or come as close to his equal as possible. I know that V'Lane/Cruce gave her something to drink that helps her heal and extends her life, but if she retains the books powers, or at least some of it, do you think she will become immortal?

I agree with you. I think Shazam is real. The scenes with him and Jada were some of my favorite in the book. I feel like this book was the most emotional of the series due to the scenes with Shazam, the Ryodan's discovery after the fire, and the ending with Mac and Jada "having a moment". I for one did NOT see the stuffed toy coming. I really wish he wasn't real because then it would show how emotionally stretched Dani/Jada was in the past and present. It's like she kept all of the bad things in and tried to be tough and it built up and climaxed into this really heartwrenching scene that cracked her armor and crumbled all of the walls she carefully built to protect herself. Maybe she will finally learn that it's ok to love and be loved.
I didn't read Iced. It's not because I don't like Dani's character it was just that I didn't want to read a story from a 14 year old's perspective. The fact that Ryodan has this interest in Dani somewhat disturbs me. I really don't understand it too much. Does he think or know she is something different? Not quite human? The whole being interested in a 14 year old girl even if he can visualize the woman she will become seems creepy to me. I wonder if KMM saw the mistake she made when she wrote Dani at such a young age and then when readers started wanting more of her character than of Mac, that KMM had to fix it and that's why Dani went into the silvers returning as Jada who is more suited for Ryodan. I have to remind myself that this is a work of fiction and that no matter if Dani was 30, Ryodan would still be millennium years older.

I think there’s a reason Kats pregnant. I’ve been thinking for a while that maybe the kids not Sean’s but Cruce’s … ding, ding, ding … we have a winner!!!! LOL
That is exactly why I brought this up. I think the baby belongs to Cruce too. I mean, Ryodan didn't simply help Kat out to give her "peace of mind". He knows something is up. Maybe there is something special about the baby that will help create the Song , or destroy the black holes, cure cancer, create world peace … I dunno but do something special and of course, benefit Ryodan and his plans for world domination … LOL Not just that but if the baby belong to Sean, HER BOYFRIEND, dontcha' think she would want to be with him and share the happy news???? There is something up with that baby!

I'm weird because I like the UK and I hope his concubine regains her memory so they can live HEA. :-)
I also have a lady-boner for Cruce … there's just something about badboy fairies. Maybe I need to seek therapy on that one! :-)
A 800 page book would be awesome, wouldn't it?
New question: What are your thoughts on Alina being alive? I understand that the book was giving Mac a false sense of security but I didn't care for Alina coming back into the picture. Where do you think KMM will take that storyline?

Best Fever Friend!!
I love these forums! I think discussing books after I’ve read them (which I’ve done since Shadowfever!) helps me remember key parts in previous books, that and I’ve had to read all the books at least twice to make sure I remember and understood important details. 

It would be amazing if Mac could overcome the book issue on her own! I just wonder if she did merge with the book, would Mac have a large power boost? Or would she have the spells that the book contain and the ability to manifest them? Also, I mean the book is completely Evil, so if she absorbed even a portion of the book, wouldn’t that affect Mac?

Mac definitely seems to be aware of the power difference in her and Barron’s relationship, I really want their relationship to evolve and I think we’ll see that in the next book. The whole Mac/Barrons and Dani/Ryodans relationships really seems quite opposite don’t you think? It seems Barrons wants Mac to need him. He prefers being the top dog, and he is with The Nine and is so used to that, that I feel like his relationship with Mac mirrors this. Whereas Ryodan, wants Dani to be his equal in every way, that’s why he’s so adamant in turning her into whatever the hell he is and why he wanted to train her. Even in Iced, they used to go head-to-head, and it seemed Ryodan was fine with it, prefers it even.

It’s hard to tell if she would become completely immortal instead of having an extended life. I guess it depends on what she actually absorbs from the book; spells or actual power?? I’m a little confused on what Cruce took from the Sinsar Dubh??
I loved the scenes with Shazam and Dani, he’s such as interesting character that I hope we get him back in the next book! I believe he was real, though it would be interesting whatever way the story goes. If Dani did fracture, that would make me want to cry because that would mean, she was completely alone in the Silvers and created another personality so she wouldn’t have been alone. And then imagined a stuffed bear was an actual person. But if Shazam is real, I think he would be a lot of help with finding the Song of Making. He’s an intelligent being who can see the 5th or 6th dimension (basically a lot of stuff I don’t understand) could probably have a clue on how to find the Song of Making.

I encourage you to read Iced! That book is one of my favourites in thisseries. It’s so refreshing to read from Dani’s POV, she’s so adventurous and always on the move. There’s never a boring part in that book thanks to seeing everything from her POV. But that’s just my opinion, looking at the forums on here, everyone either likes it hates it. It’s the same with the whole Ryodan issue. But in Iced, it does clear up on why Ryodan’s been watching over her and you get an idea of how he feels about her. I honestly don’t think he felt anything sexual towards her when she was 14, it seemed like to me, Dani was in his eyes someone who’d gone through hell (being caged by her mum, manipulated, controlled and experimented on by Fiona) and came out even stronger which he respects the hell out of. That’s why he wanted to ensure she lived. Being what he is and how long he’s lived, everyone must seem ‘the same’ but as he says in Iced, when you see a person who shines that brightly, you do everything you can to ensure they survive. It’s interesting how people who read the same book can interpret something differently from another. I’ve re-read all the books, so that I could analyse Barrons and Ryodan’s actions, namely because a lot of what they do is controversial.

I think Ryodan was thinking -I’ll kill two stones with one bird. Being that he wants Kat to get stronger because of the child she’s carrying, and he probably want Kasteo to speak again. He misses his Buddy lol.

I find the UK and Concubine chapters amazing :D All that love he has for her, and she’s like who the fuck are you. I think in Feverborn, she said she’s going to trick the UK into getting the Song of Making and that there will be a price to pay? She wants him to pay the price? I can’t remember…

I have a lady boner for Kasteo, I think I’m into the VERY silent deadly type :>

Regarding Alina, I’m disappointed, I think it would have been better if she stayed dead. The whole reason Mac started this journey was because she died. Also when Alina was crying over the man who was the reason the walls went down and billions of humans are dead, and used the Unseelie Princes to rape her Sister pissed me off. I have a sister... anyone even pinches her and there dead. Not only that, but after the ending of Feverborn, I love the sisterly vibes I was getting off Dani and Mac, I don’t want that to get ruined!!!!

I’m not really sure were Alina’s story line could go, I mean she doesn’t have any training, no knowledge on what’s going on and she’s mourning.. Hmm maybe the book will go after Alina or maybe Alina will be a big help in getting Mac back. What are your thoughts?
What are your thoughts on....
-The music box Mac found?
-The blood pact Ryodan, Mac, Barrons and Christian made? (Feel like something will happen in the next book where this will come into play)

I wrote too much :O lol

Bestie! I've started thinking of you as my "substitute brain" cuz when I can't remember or I just don't know what's going on, I simply ask you. And you, O Fountain of Fae Knowledge, is kind enough to remind me and answer my questions. Sometimes I wonder if I didn't take a sip or two from that Fae Forgetful Fountain. :-)
Well, lemme tell you what I found … *scoot closer so I can whisper this secret in your ear* … there are Fever audio books on Youtube so I've decided to go back to book one and begin listening to them so that maybe I won't be so daggone confused. I also downloaded Iced (the book) and plan on reading it after I finish my current book.
I would definitely like for Mac to retain some of the Book's powers. Perhaps that would make her more equal with the Barrons and the rest of the Nine. I'm still confused as to how she got the Book embedded into her. Her real mom helped release the Book from the convent to begin with while she was pregnant??? I don't see how doing that transferred the Book into an unborn child. Would Mac become evil if she absorbed even a portion of the Book? Well, as Sirius Black told a young Harry Potter, "We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are." Mac is a good person and I think that she could make the Book her bitch. :-)On KMM's blog, she mentioned that FeverSong will be the end of the second story arc. I think that the whole Mac/Book issue will be resolved and then perhaps the new story arc will be about finding Shazam, getting the Song and destroying the black holes.
Mac/Barrons vs. Dani/Ryodan relationship … oh yes, they are polar opposites. I remember reading in one of the books where Mac was rambling in one of her inner monologues that Barrons prefers the beast whereas Ryodan prefers the man.
I've always thought that Barrons/Mac was more of a dom/sub relationship which is a physically based relationship and Ryo/Dani is more of a modern, equal partner relationship which is an emotional, love and respect based relationship.
However, I don't think that Barrons wants to totally dominate Mac. He seems to push Mac into becoming stronger and more independent person.
Throughout the series, it's implied that Barrons if the leader of the pack with the Nine but it seems that Ryodan has been whatever the hell he wants lately. I wonder if the brothers knock heads and have power struggles at times.
I never thought that Ryo's interest in young Dani was sexual but he seems to be almost obsessed with her. After reading your comment about Iced, I'm sure I will have a better understanding of Ryo and Dani's relationship.

Speaking of Dani, she has super-human speed. She is a Sidhe Seer too, so is speed her special gift?
I'm confused on what Cruce received from the Book also. He received the spells and Mac received power??? I dunno …
Shazam is real and helps find the Song of Making … you are a GENIUS! I would have never thought that but it's an awesome idea. I hope that's how it plays out.
I also thought that maybe Ryo's intention with Kat was to hopefully bring Kasteo out of his silence. Perhaps Ryo was the one to kill Kasteo's woman. Silent, deadly type … wonder what exactly a girl would have to do to get Kasteo to talk … hmmmm???? :-) I bet KMM won't ever have him speaking. She will leave him as a mystery which will drive all of us nuts.
I don't remember anything (surprise, surprise) about the concubine tricking the UK into getting the Song of Making. I love reading about them. Is the original Seelie Queen, the one that the King was married to, still alive?
I don't like Alina being alive either. Maybe she will trip and fall into a Silver. HA!But since she was supposedly brought back by the Book who just so happens to be an evil trickster, perhaps she's not really been raised from the dead. Kind of like a genie granting you a wish for a million dollars. You get the money but then you discover that it's been stolen from a bank and you get put in prison for bank robbery.If for some reason Alina is back for good, maybe she will be a good love interest for Christian.
The music box … I totally forgot all about it!!!! Again, no surprise that I forgot something from the book, right? It's got to have something to do with the Song of Making.
The blood pack … maybe they are honorary members of the Nine. They knew at least some of the Nine's secrets and now they are bound by blood to protect them. Dancer should be in on that pact too. Doncha's just love Dancer?
What's up with BBB always changing? Probably another mystery that will never be explained.
What about the Nine's origin? I think that they were created, by some higher power which could possibly be this Tribunal that was mentioned in the last book, as a means to control the Fae since the Nine can actually kill them. Zigor, means Punished or Punisher. Maybe they are like Fae police. Didn't Cruce witness Barrons kill a female Fae? Cruce obviously knew that Barrons was a threat to him.
Do out think that Cruce was only using Mac to get to the Book or did he have real feeling for her?I hope to see more Cruce in the upcoming books. He's such a good guy to hate.
There was also a scene where Mac was inside Barrons head and he talked about pretending to be pria, or a man who I assumed to be Barrons was pretending to be pria. Do you remember that part? Could this man, whoever he was, been made pria by the Seelie Queen? Could that been the Fae that Cruce witnessed Barrons killing? There's so many sub-plots and mysteries and seem to get swept under the rug.
And on a TOTALLY different subject … I noticed that you read the Dark Prince series. I V'LOVE V'LAD … LOL I haven't read the Night Huntress series but I want to at some point. Also, have you read The Fae Chronicles? If not, you night enjoy it. It gives you a different view of Fae lore.
And no, you didn’t write too much! :-)

You may access the Fae Fountain of Knowledge at your own peril!!!
Lol I just tried to listen to the AudioBook on YouTube (never listened to an Audiobook before!) and almost laughed at how the narrator’s voice changed when talking like Mac. I guess I’m not used to it, but I’m going to try it out. *Scoot even closer so I can admit something too…. I read Iced and Burned by downloading them too!

From what I can remember, the Book escaped the abbey after Fiona let it loose. It then possessed Mac’s mum when she was pregnant. Once it realised this, it was fascinated by the tiny life and I guess downloaded a copy into Mac so when she was aware of it, it could take over. That’s why she not only has a copy of the book but is also the reason why she can stand to have it in her. Other people die after a while when there possessed by it, but because it did that when she was a foetus, it’s like she evolved to handle it. If that makes sense.

I love your comparison between Mac/Barrons vs Dani/Ryodan! But yes, you’re right that Barrons has done a lot to ensure she’s evolved to be able to survive in this new world. Like training her, teaching her voice etc.
Barron’s is the leader of the pack, but he definitely prefers to be in the background, more of an unseen member whereas Ryodan is ‘The Face’ of The Nine. But it seems like between them, they're both just as much the boss as the other.

Lol don’t hurt me, but before you read Iced, there will be a few scenes that may make you think What the Fuck in a few scenes but overall hope you enjoy it!!

Dani’s ability seems to be enhanced abilities. She’s insanely fast, stronger and heals faster than the average person also she can see and hear much better than humans.

Regarding the whole Cruce and Book thing, what I seem to remember is that he somehow managed to absorb the spells from the book without absorbing the evil. I’m trying to guess if that means Mac’s left with only the evil sentient being to absorb? Sigh, I seriously need to re-read all the Fever books again because it's been a while, but I’m going to wait at least a month.
Of Course I’m a Genius. (Official smirk is on my face, while wearing sunglasses and walking slow-mo in style.)

I think they killed Kasteo’s woman because she found out about The Nine. He must be pissed about that since they let Mac live. I think I remember a few books ago, in one of Mac’s inner dialogues, when she found out that they killed his girl because she found out too much. And Kasteo was staring at Mac with a certain look. Ryodan’s called Barrons out on this, basically saying he changes the code to suit his needs (to protect Mac). I wonder though, the Tribunal, whoever or whatever they are, if they could meet out punishment for Kasteo’s girl, why wouldn’t they on Mac?

I think Kat giving birth and being locked in a room with Kasteo would get him to talk lol she pops out the baby, he sees it and he’s like ‘Cute’.

I’m not 100% sure if the Seelie Queen the King was married to still alive since I can’t remember how or when she was killed. But I’m guessing not since the UK’s Aiobheel/Concubine ended becoming the Seelie Queen. Since there can’t be another King or Queen unless the previous one is dead, I’m guessing she is dead.

Ha if only she fell into a Silver or got chowed by K’Vruck.

I love having Dancer around. Especially because of the way he treated Dani when she got back from the Silver, he still cared about her unconditionally whereas the others took their sweet time catching up… but I’m pretty sure there’s something about him that we don’t know. Since Iced I can’t help but feel he’s hiding something, but I’m not sure if it’s bad or good. In Iced he kept on randomly showing up when Dani’s alone or in trouble and he’s not afraid of The Nine. When we’ve seen almost everyone else who’s human at least be a little bit intimidated or weary in some way, and he isn’t! Not only that, he’s extremely intelligent and been described as having Fae Aqua like eyes! He’s too perfect! And one thing I know about KMM is that she’s made all her main characters in this book have something wrong or dark about them. Like Mac with the book, Dani with The Observer, Christian becoming Unseelie Prince etc.

‘Very little is known about the Nine, except that they are immortal beings cursed to live forever and that they contain within them a savage, nearly uncontrollable beast form.’
Ooooh I didn’t think of that! If they were cursed to ensure the Fae were somewhat kept in line. What if it’s the original Seelie queen? With the Song of Making you have the ability to create basically whatever the hell you want and she decided to create or reshape them? How old are The Nine? Do you think they were originally human or on another world. We do know that when they die, they appear on the place they first died. Though that doesn’t mean they were human in the first place since I distinctly remember in Burned Ryodan was disgusted when an Unseelie Prince called him human. What if a long time ago, they’re on earth and they piss off the original Seelie queen and she curses them. In the first book Mac called Barrons a Mercenary and it struck a nerve, maybe theres truth to this? What if they were cursed, so they could be used to take out a powerful enemy for the original Seelie Queen. Seeing as they have the ability to kill Fae, I’m guessing they had to take out Fae for her. But she’s probably dead now or didn’t need them anymore so they can do what they want (Random Theory lol).

That’s what I’ve been wondering aswell, whether he really did have feelings for her or not. We do know he’s had a million years to work on his acting skills, but I don’t get why he’d have to pretend to want Mac. I think he did want her but in his own twisted messed up psychotic way. He was one of the Unseelie Princes who raped her? I think if that is the case, then he would probably want her even possessed by the book, which I wouldn’t mind seeing because Cruce is as you said, He’s such a good guy to hate.
Do mean Mac got into Barrons head in Feverborn? I literally can’t remember lol? The only other time I remember Mac getting into Barrons head is when he was thinking about a woman he loved in the past who was like the ‘Stars, Moon and Sun’ to him.
Or are you talking about when Lor had sex with an Unseelie Princess and he made Mac promise to lie about it and trick Ryodan so he could sleep with as many blonds as he wants?

I looooove Vlad!! I think there’s one last book in that series coming out this year. Trust me you should read The Night Huntress Series, you will love Bones and Kat. Especially Bones, he’s Yum. If only male book characters like that existed in real life lol I feel like I fantasize about male book characters too much that it ruin guys for me in real life.
Ooooh I looked up Fighting Destiny by Amelia Hutchins and it actually looks really good. Positive reviews! I’ll be reading them tomorrow :D

Wow! Where to begin … you got my mind firing on all pistons today! LOL

Audiobooks … I have never listened to one either. Imagine my surprise when I accidently found it on YouTube. (Seriously, where would the human race be without Google, YouTube and Pinterest????) That fake southern accent was like nails on a chalkboard to me. Almost made my ears bleed, I swear! Being Southern myself, everyone here tends to sound more like Dolly Pardon. I would bet my right kidney, dishwasher and my favorite pair of shoes that Jericho Barrons DOES NOT sound like that narrator. Very comical but after nine chapters, I got use to it. (Pssst .…there are a lot of other audiobooks on YouTube too. I listened to a little bit of Bared to YouTube but Gideon's dirty talk doesn't sound very sexy coming from a female voice)

I heard your secret … you missy, should be ashamed of yourself! (says the one who listens to illegally uploaded audiobooks … pot meet kettle! LOL)

The Book and Mac -"Like the rest of the imperfect Unseelie, it wants to finish or perfect itself, to attain that which it perceives it lacks. In this case, the perfect host body." (from KMM FeverWorld).Ok, that explains why the Book made a copy of itself in little baby Mac. But why? If it can possess people, why make a copy in another host? I originally thought that the Book wanted to go back to the UK, but I'm not so sure about that now. It appears the Book keeps evolving. I mean, it started out being a dumping ground for all of the UK attempts at creating the SOM. Then it became a sentient, without the UK's knowledge. Once the UK did realize that the Book had become it's own "being", he imprisoned it. Only I don't think the UK realized that the Book had already created a copy in Mac. If the UK was to get his hands on the Book, he would either try to imprison it again or K'Vruck it. I think that the UK is now aware that Mac has a copy of it inside her. Dreamy Eyed Guy keeps giving her cryptic messages and warnings so he has to know. What do you think?

Info from KMM website also says that:
• Cruce was possessed by the Book. So I take it he is like Mac and has both the spells and the evil power in him. He was evil to begin with so I guess he can handle being possessed by it.
• After the UK imprisoned the Book, he tampered with the Sidhe Seer's bloodline, possibly including some of himself.
Would that mean that Mac could be part Unseelie?

On a sidenote … I love K'Vruck! I like all of the dark hunters. I really should seek therapy for these demented attractions that I have. I also think that the word K'Vruck should be added to Websters being a modern slang curse word, synonymous with another naughty word ending with the letters "uck". I think I shall make it my new life's mission! Webster, you have been warned!!!! Muhahahaha

I promise not to hurt you (too much) for the WTF scenes in Iced.
So Dani has enhanced abilities, more so that just the "special gift" that all Sidhe Seers have. Do you think that Dani is something else?

I see you over there wearing your sunglasses walking in slow-mo … I bet your hair is blowing I the wind as your own soundtrack plays in the background. Hahahahaha

I agree with you, the Nine killed Kasteo's woman because she found out what they are. With Barrons having Mac and Ryo having Dani, I'm pretty sure Kas is pissed the hell off! I would be. You think that the Tribunal ordered the Nine to kill Kas' woman? If that's the case, then yes, Mac should suffer the same fate. Dani/Jada doesn't know exactly what the Nine are at this point, does she?
In my experience birthing babies, I can guarantee that Kas will definitely notice Kat popping out and baby. Him saying "cute" would be priceless! :-)

Sooooo, there's something up with Dancer! Wow, another mystery! Do you think he's a wolf in sheeps clothing? Like Barrons told Mac, you're either a wolf and a sheep. He randomly shows up when Dani is alone or in trouble and he's not afraid of the Nine … hmmm. Could he possibly be Dani's brother? Extremely intelligent with Fae aqua eyes … hmmm. What could all this possibly mean … hmmmI will have to ponder upon all of this new info.

The Nine are like the old egg/chicken debate … who knows! Are they human? I don't think so. Not with how Ryo reacted to being call human. I think that they came from out of the Silvers which is like another dimension, I guess. "Immortal beings cursed" … someone had to put the curse on them. It had to have been the Tribunal, right? According to Barrons, Ryo will have to answer to the Tribunal for changing Daegus. Maybe the Tribunal is made up of different species, for lack of a better word, who oversees all of the universes, galaxies, worlds, dimensions to ensure a certain level of balance is kept. What exactly did the Nine do to piss off whoever so bad that they cursed them? Since Barrons doesn't seem to be called a mercenary, I wonder if that is what whoever cursed them views them as, mercenaries ordered to do their dirty deeds? I dunno … Even being immortal the Nine seem to be concerned for their exsistance, probably for the first time ever, about the black holes and the possibility of them swallowing up the earth.The thing is, someone or something cursed them. Whether that was the Seelie Queen, the Tribunal or some other force we don't know about yet.Again, egg/chicken debate …who knows!

Cruce … yes, he was the fourth Unseelie Prince that raped Mac (hey look, I remembered something you didn't!). He's the one that she could feel, but she couldn't see his face. That's why I need therapy cuz I like Cruce although he's a lying, manipulative rapist (calling Dr. Freud!)I think Cruce was smitten with Mac. He gave her the cuff, right? Or at least offered it to her. Which means he wanted to protect her from other Unseelie as well as allow her to call him to her if she ever needed him. Why else would he want her to have something like that if he didn't care for her, in his own psychotic way?

Remind me, o substitute brain, how is it that Mac can get into Barron's head? But what I was referring to about the man acting like he was Pri-ya wasn't in Feverborn. It was in one of the earlier books. I think it was one of the times that Mac could read Barron's memory. I thought that maybe a female Fae tried to make him Pri-ya and he played along with it and then he ended up killing her and Cruce ended up witnessing the killing. That is why Cruce was afraid of Barrons. I always thought that Cruce and Barrons had some unresolved history. That maybe they had crossed each other at some other point in time. What do you think? I'll try to find the scene in the book.

The music box … could it be one of the Unseelie Hallows? Right now, Dani has the sword, Mac has the spear, the cuff could possibly be Cruce's cuff that Dani/Mac have, and then there's the box.

Also, happened to the four stones that could contain the Book? Because they are etched with ancient runes and react with many other Fae objects of power (the Hallows). When united, they sing a lesser Song of Making.

I have definite plans to read the Night Huntress series and yes, the fourth and final book of Dark Prince. Vampires are really favorite kind of paranormal. I was just telling my hubby the other day how I would love to have sex with a vamp. LOL I love me some man-candy! You know it's bad when right before having sex, your husbands asks you: "Ok, who am I tonight? Rockstar? Dominating billionaire? Pirate???" Now he has to also ask: "What species am I? Vamp, Fae, Werewolf … one of the Nine??? LOL

Oh good, you are going to read The Fae Chronicles. FYI, I call dibs on Ristan. That's another discussion we can have but don't expect me to remember anything from the books … lol … been sippin' some Fae juice again. :-)

Lmao I just about died when I heard that screechy voice she used when speaking for Barrons. I imagine a sexy deep voice, like Jaime from Outlander tv series minus the accent. I have to say Audiobooks are not for me, lol especially if I’m listening to a scene with dirty talk!

I think the reason why it made a copy of the book in Mac was because she was specifically a Sidhe Seer which made a big difference. The sidhe Seer line has been tampered by the Unseelie King, which means all of the Sidhe Seer lines are a little ‘dark’ like the book, because she was able to survive this, it made her the perfect host for the Sinsar Dubh. When the book inhabits regular people like humans, it can’t do it for long and has to go from one form to another because they die, as we saw in Burned. Even when Fade was possessed and when it left him, he died. Did you notice in Burned when the book was possessing people, it was using weapons to kill others and not spells or it’s magic? I have a feeling that’s also one the reason it made a copy in Mac, so she would become the perfect host, where it could channel it’s magic or spells maybe?

I think the Unseelie King has always been aware because remember right at the end of was it Shadowfever, before Cruce was trapped, when we found out that the UK is so big he has to fit himself into many humans (this sounds wrong lol) to roam as a human. Well we know that when we saw all the forms he’s been taking, Mac recognised many of them for example, her high school coach, neighbour and other people she knew growing up. Which means the UK has been watching her this whole time since she was a young girl. I think. Btw I’m pretty sure the Dreamy Eyed Guy is one of the UK personalities right? Anyway it seems like to me the UK isn’t really worried about the book, being that if he has known this whole time that Mac had a book in her, he could have just K’Vruck her to destroy it for good.

Sinsar Dubh: ‘I took Isla to escape the abbey. And she was pregnant. I did not expect to find you in her... The wonder. Unformed life in her body. Mine for the taking... You did not resist me. You were open. I filled you. I nestled down inside you, replicated myself and left it there. You are my child.’
So I get why Mac can carry the book and how she can survive it, but I wonder if like Cruce all the Unseelie could’ve absorbed the book as well? Or is that just him and because he worked with the UK and has a vast amount of knowledge?

Me too Kim! I love the Hunters and I’m fascinated with them. What it would be like to have one for myself. Especially K’Vruck!! :D There’s a massive appeal to me, having a gigantic beast who everyone’s afraid of but is cool with you lol. Haha imagine everyone going around saying K’Vruck you!

‘Sidhe-seers were actually the last caste of Unseelie that the Unseelie King made. He made them in order to help protect the Sinsar Dubh. Sidhe-seers are always female. They inherit their abilities from their mothers.’
It says here that they inherit abilities from their mothers, so I wonder where Dani got hers from, because from what I remember her mother didn’t display any abilities. Also it seems like each sidhe seer has different abilities and levels of power or resistance to the Fae though most don’t have abilities. Some of their power are limited or they can have multiple special powers like Mac and Dani.

Kasteo most certainly has not forgiven them completely, and I don’t blame him. No one hurts my Kasteo and gets away with it dammit! Dani is aware they’re on another level and they can’t be killed. In Burned and Feverborn though I know she’s aware of this, but I can’t remember if she knows they can shift into beasts. But I’m pretty sure she hasn’t seen it yet.

I don’t think he’s Dani’s brother lol he made it clear to her and Ryodan in Feverborn that he’s interested in her more than a friend. And I do believe that his feelings for her are genuine, I just think there’s something off about him. Or perhaps it’s foreshadowing and something will happen to him in the next book like we realise he has this ‘dark side’ (Dark Vader) no one saw coming.

There are billions of mirrors and there must be just as many worlds out there. Wow that would be epic if there’s this massive ruling body of different species out there ensuring the balance (Lol kind of reminds me of Star Wars) in the universe. It’s just I wonder how powerful must the Tribunal be that they follow whatever rules they put down. Ryodan and Barrons especially don’t take shit from anyone and make their own rules… though they do have their own code they follow so perhaps they agree with The Tribunals rules…… Lol I’ not making any sense at all, it’s my failed attempt at making a well put together theory.

I can’t remember the interactions between Mac and Cruce in the first few books, but yes he was drawn to her in his own way. I think he must have been because I don’t think there was anything to be gained for him by earning Mac’s trust. I don’t think he knew Mac contained the book at the time, so other than that there was nothing he needed from her, which means he must have wanted her in his own psychopathic way. But I do agree! I can’t wait until he’s back in the next book, shit’s about to do down! (I’ll be joining you on that therapy!)

Yes I forgot that he offered her the cuff and have her a means to call him.

That scene you’re talking about is very familiar, I think it was in the earlier book but it’s sort of blurry but I THINK he needed specific information from that woman so he faked being Pri-ya, then when he got what he wanted, he killed the female Fae.
I think the abbey has the stones… When Mac went to the abbey, Jada tried to trap her and the sidhe seers were putting the stones down one by one.

Fantasy, Paranormal and Romance books are my fav. I literally cannot live without my books. When a books so good I can just escape by reading it and then spend the next half of the day in a daze lol.

LMAO you know when your marriage is going right, when your husband asks you that!!

I found this theory you might like about Dancer...

So I was thinking about Dancer (it's been eating at my brain! what is he!) I think the prologue in Feverborn is definitely him & I think he's been moving pieces around for whatever he wants. Maybe he's working with the sweeper and wants to help ~fix Dani.
I think he's behind WeCare too because it targeted both Dani and Mac. making them sort of on the same team again, I think Dancer would fix something like that up.
Not to mention the ending where the sweeper has them strapped down-and they laugh and face each other finally. He told Mac to make her laugh and all that!

& about the prologue.. it says the person is an "unexpected episode in what had been a tightly scripted film".. It also seems like whoever it is isn't human bc it mentions human lives were so limited.

"He knew the past. He’d seen glimpses of many futures. Like its unpredictable inhabitants, Dublin had fallen off the grid of expected trajectories. Recent events in the area had not transpired in any future he’d seen. There was no telling what might happen next. The possibilities were infinite. He liked it that way."
maybe that means he didn't see Dani coming back older and all that. "recent events"??
and this has GOT to be about Dani no??

"Still… every now and then one came along like him, like this city that defied all expectation, owned every action, flipped Fate the bird at each opportunity. One that didn’t merely exist.
But lived. Fearless. No price too high for freedom. He understood that. "

and this person was on Dani's water tower! I mean I guess it could also be Ryodan since he's pretty much said the same about Dani.. plus he laughs at the end. ugh now idk! what do you guys think?

"Did you notice in Burned when the book was possessing people, it was using weapons to kill others and not spells or it’s magic? I have a feeling that’s also one the reason it made a copy in Mac, so she would become the perfect host, where it could channel it’s magic or spells maybe?"

Yes, I agree. Mac was the perfect host for the Book. After reading what you wrote about the Book telling Mac why it chose her, I think it was also fascinated with the creation of new life. After all the Book contained creation spells even if they were failed attempts, they still create a new Unseelie casts.

I totally forgot about the UK splitting himself into hundreds of tiny people! So the King DID know about Mac. Makes sense now. Yes, Dreamy Eyed Guy was one of the King's personas. He is also the one who keeps giving her weird advice that she seems to understand after something happens. He warned her against the Sweeper which she didn't know what he was talking about but now, well, I think she's figured it out. LOL

"I wonder if like Cruce all the Unseelie could’ve absorbed the book as well? Or is that just him and because he worked with the UK and has a vast amount of knowledge?"

Although Cruce was one of four princes, I think he was set apart from them as well as all other Unseelie. He was very different from the rest. Most Unseelie seem to be happy running rampant on Earth, devouring humans. Even the other Princes and what I've seen of the Princesses, they seem to be more simple minded and self-absorbed only wanting to rule the Unseelie court. Cruce seemed stronger and more motivated. He infiltrated the Seelie Court, even fooling the Queen as well as the Concubine. He definitely had a plan with an end-game in mind. I don't think that another Unseelie could have absorbed the Book. Or maybe, the Book chose him too.

Maybe like Mac, the woman who raised Dani was not her birth mother. I still think that Dani is something more than just a Sidhe-seer. I've started reading Iced and I didn't realize different and how much stronger her unique gifts were. FYI .… I'm still in chapter one and have already had a WTF moment when Dani runs into Ryo and she grabs his dick … and then he bites her???? Whaaaa???? LOL

This is the passage I was referring to about Barrons pretending to be Pri-ya:

"I was strong. I was cold. I was mighty, and they didn’t even know just how mighty I was. They didn’t recognize me, the fools. I was danger. I was everything they should fear, but they’d lived so long that they’d forgotten fear. I would teach them. I would remind them. I was with a Fae Princess, buried deep inside her. She throbbed around me. She was energy, she was empty, she was sex that devoured. Her nails were on my shoulders, clawing. I was more pleasure than any of her princes could ever be. I was full. I was inexhaustible. It was why she’d sought me. Word had spread, as I’d meant it to, and, bored, jaded, she’d come for me, as I’d known she would. I’d spent months at court, in her bed, watching, learning, studying the Seelie court. Seeking answers. Hunting the bloody damned Book. But now I was bored, and I’d learned all there was to know from them, because they were fools who drank again and again from a mystical cauldron to make themselves forget. As if forgetting eradicated the sin. I needed them to remember. They couldn’t. But I could make them remember fear. V’lane was watching me, as he’d been watching me from the moment I’d taken his princess, waiting for her to be his again, certain she would; after all, they were immortal. They were gods. They were invincible. Waiting for that moment when I was no longer her protected plaything so he could destroy me.
At Fae court, looking down at the princess— Barrons slammed a wall up in front of me. But not fast enough. I blasted through it. I was Barrons and she was on the ground and I was laughing—
The bitch was dead. Every Fae in the queen’s court was screaming, fleeing for their lives, because the unthinkable had happened. One of their own had ceased to exist. One of their own had been killed. By me/ Barrons/ us."

My question is … why did Barrons go to the Fae court to begin with? But this does answer my earlier question about V'Lane/Cruce and Barrons having a history.

The memory of the woman Barrons loved …"What have we done? What have we become? Have they gotten to her? Does she know? Will she denounce us? Turn her face away?" Have THEY gotten to her … who are THEY????

The memory of Barrons son dying …
"I never understood anything about life until this moment. I always sought only my own gain. Mercenary to the core. If the child dies, nothing will ever matter again, because a piece of me will go with him."

I guess that explains why Barrons didn't like being called a mercenary. That memory goes on to talk about the boy being "gone" and Barrons wonders what happens where the boy went and what happens to life when it ends. If the boy was already one of the Nine, then he would be immortal. So I wonder if Barrons changed his son into one of the Nine. Or, I guess the boy could have already been one of the Nine and it was the first time he had died and Barrons didn't realize he would come back to life. Or maybe Barrons didn't know the boy would go back to the place of his original death. Didn't the boy get separated from the others at some point and was tortured over and over again which cause him to go insane and be able to control transforming into the beast?

I know very little about Dancer, since I'm just now reading Iced. I like your theory about the prologue. I know there's been quite the internet buzz about who was narrating the prologue and, to my knowledge, KMM has yet to answer it.
When I read it, my mind went straight to Ryodan. But wouldn't it be soooo unexpected and an awesome plot twist if it was Dancer. Whoever it is, they was referring to Dani.

Honestly I just can’t wait to see the evil things Evil Mac does. Who the Sinsar Dubh will go after, and I wonder what its aims are now that it’s got legs and arms lol. You’re right that it’s fascinated with life, especially because Mac as a foetus was basically a blank slate, she could be whatever she wants to be whereas the spells the Sinsar Dubh contains which creates Unseelie, turn out mostly evil and are I guess predictable in there development.

I guess the Unseelie King is so vast and contains so much knowledge that trying to ‘dumb himself down’ to communicate with a human is probably difficult. Lol I need to go back and look at their conversations together because I’ve forgotten (I’ve been sipping at the Fae juice).

I think the Unseelie King created Cruce a little differently than the other Unseelie Princes. The Unseelie King and Cruce were also lab partners, so he must have had access to UK’s libraries, mind etc. Besides out of the UP I’m pretty sure he is War. So he’s probably more adept at manipulating people and events and waiting patiently for them to unfold. A master manipulator. I just remembered that unlike the other Seelie, Cruce has never drank from the Cauldron so he retains all of his memories right from the very beginning. Other Seelie/Unseelie probably wouldn’t even remember how to get the spells from the book, if that was the case.

I don’t think we’ll ever know more about Dani’s mother or even if she’s not her biological mother, I’m not sure we’ll ever know who it really is. Like Dani’s father is a complete mystery that I don’t think will ever be solved, probably because it’s irrelevant to the story.

Lol already at chapter 1! I forgot about, you’re most likely going to encounter a WTF moment at each chapter.

Yes that would explain the animosity they feel against each other. Barrons because he can’t stand Fae in general, and Cruce because Barrons is able to kill him. Made worse later because Cruce wanted Mac and so did Barrons. Anyway to answer your question, Barrons was in the Fae court because he was looking for the book, so he could end his sons suffering. He’s been looking for the book for tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) years and guessed that he may have been able to find answers with the Seelie. But found that they’ve been drinking from the cauldron so he didn’t need them.

"What have we done? What have we become? Have they gotten to her? Does she know? Will she denounce us? Turn her face away?"
Ooooh this quote is juicy, I forgot about this. It sounds like he loved the woman before he was cursed and had a child with her. But I’m curious about something, why did he say ‘’will she denounce us? Turn her face away’’, that makes it sound like whoever this woman is, he’s worried she’ll turn her face away from the whole of The Nine. Otherwise wouldn’t he have said ‘’denounce me’’. What if this isn’t referring to Barrons woman but another key female figure they knew in the past….Or maybe I’m confused because I haven’t seen the whole quote lol so I’m misinterpreting it.

Barrons has a son who received the curse along with Barrons and the rest of his men. His son, however, was the first of them to die and come back, so they were unaware that this was part of the curse. When they realized this, they went to find him. However, others discovered the boy and tortured him by killing him over and over. Eventually he changed into his monster form and was never able to control it. Barrons and his men finally found the boy, but he was beyond helping. That’s why he had to be caged and why Barrons wanted the Sinsar Dubh, to end his suffering.

You’re reading Iced so maybe you’ll see there’s something fishy about him. I hope there is more to him and that he is that person in the Prologue because it’ll be so much more interesting to see what he does next and to find out what he is. But I’ll feel so bad for Dani because she’ll be crushed by this.

I would like to see Evil Mac release Cruce. What a scenario that would be! Either they team up or they battle against one another to become the sole processor of the Book. Think how pissed Barrons will be if Mac and Cruce got together.

This wouldn't be the first time they fought over a woman …

"V’lane was watching me, as he’d been watching me from the moment I’d taken his princess, waiting for her to be his again, certain she would; after all, they were immortal."

Then of course Barrons kills the princess and the one person V'Lane loved/wanted. That's the bad blood between those two. I think that's another reason V'Lane was interested in Mac in the beginning. He was looking for payback and that is always a bitch! :-) Of course as long as Barrons was referring to Cruce/V'Lane and not the REAL V'Lane.

Yes, Cruce is War. Did the Unseelie drink from the Fountain also?

Regarding Dani … in Iced there's a part where she and Christian are talking about humans and she says "I'm a human". He tells her she is not human, but something more, something that humans strive to be. Hmmmm?

"What have we done? What have we become? Have they gotten to her? Does she know? Will she denounce us? Turn her face away?" (This quote is from Dreamfever from when Mac was Pri-ya and Barrons was trying to bring her back). Mac wondered to herself why Barrons was thinking of the woman and if she was a better mate to him than herself. With Mac thinking that, it makes me think the woman is Barrons wife. However, the plural form "us" might be why some people think that one of the Nine is a female. Also, "will she denounce us? Turn her face away?" makes me wonder if the woman was Fae or some other kind of royalty. This Barrons head-trip, as I call them, is confusing and can be interpreted different ways.

*Sighhhhhhh* … ok, BFF … *sighhhhhhh* … I finished Iced. I had more than just one WTF moment … LOL I liked the story. I like that it was faster paced, exciting, more dialog between characters instead of inner thoughts. I LOVE Dancer! Yes, there's more than meets the eye with him and I hope he turns out to be good. But, I get a nagging feeling that he will end up betraying Dani somehow. I think it was Ryo who told Dani that her trust in something would become her weakness, or something like that. I think he was referring to Dancer.

Ok, so, I know you are a Dani fan, and I like her too, but having to read her speech and language (dude, feck, Mega) drove me nuts! She's a strong survivor and I loved her youthful excitement and thinking she could take on the world. This story was really different from the others in the series and I think KMM should have wrapped up Mac's story and did another spin-off series for Dani.

Ryodan's "interest" in Dani was borderline obsessive stalker. Telling her things like he liked sex for breakfast and he ate early and often, thinking of her as something that belonged to him, telling her she was going to live with him … sometimes he would touch her cheek or lips all the while giving her a look that she didn't understand (but I did!) … sooooo inappropriate and just wrong, wrong, wrong! I wished KMM would made Dani older to start with then I wouldn't get the heebie-jeebies everytime I think of Ryodan. But to play devil's advocate, Ryo has lived for thousands of years so Dani could have been 100 years old and she would have still been too young for him. LOL And the fact that Ryo was from a time where girls became of age when they got their period which could have been as early as age nine (ewww, sorry, I grossed myself out with that thought). I suppose I'm thinking modern-reality when it's just a fictional fantasy and I shouldn’t read so much into it. At least Jada is older now.

So Christian was also attracted to Dani but in a way that she reminded him of the Highlands and family. The UP in him had more of an "adult" interest in her. Finding this out I got a sense of deja vou … one of the Nine and an Unseelie Prince fight for the attention of a somewhat human girl who has a really cute guy friend.(Barrons, V'Lane, Mac, Christian … Ryodan, UP Christian, Dani, Dancer).

I still love me some Cruce BUT I think UP Christian is my new favorite Fever boyfriend that I would most likely "boink" … LOL Me thinks me might turn Pri-ya! LOL

Speaking of boys and friends … I happen to have a 21 year old single son, if you're interested in an email buddy … just putting that out there … :-)

Having Evil Mac and Cruce as the Big Bad in the next book will be Epic. I mean we’ve got Cruce, who’s now enormously powerful thanks to him absorbing the book and will be hell bent on getting revenge on all the people who trapped him. What if the first thing he does is destroy the abbey!? It would really up the ante if a lot of Sidhe Seers die. He’ll probably try to find a way to destroy The Nine and destroy the Spear so he’ll be completely indestructible (unless the spear can’t kill him anymore). Then we have the Sinsar Dubh itself. I mean throughout all these books, we’ve had glimpses of what it’s capable of and how it thinks. So KMM will really have to surpass our expectations and have Evil Mac cause complete havoc. Which I’m so looking forward to! :D I can so imagine Cruce kissing Mac or doing something along those lines in front of Barrons to piss him off. We’ve seen Barrons casually pissed off, but I want to see him be overtaken by rage, just to see what he’ll do.

So it’s probably a mixture of things about why he was acting that way with Mac in previous books. To get back at Barrons, a kind of taunt that Mac may choose to be with him because at one point it wasn’t certain about who Mac preferred. Also maybe he was drawn to her in his own twisted, psychotic way. Some of the things he did for her like protecting her home town after the walls fell, taking her to exotic locations, getting her coffee and giving her a means to contact him if she was in trouble. Though whether he was doing this because he truly wanted her or to make her believe in his affections is something we’ll probably find out in the next book.

I’m not 100% sure but I don’t think they did because weren’t they trapped in that frozen prison for most of their life’s. So I don’t think they had access to it. Whereas Cruce was pretending to be Seelie and had access to it but chose not to. I’m thinking that’s partly why Unseelie are sort of insane, Seelie drink from the Cauldron to prevent madness but Unseelie aren’t able to so they have to live for like a million years retaining all this memory.

I think Christian meant she is human but that she’s a survivor who not only managed to survive after the walls fell but has become stronger at the face of it. She never gives up and has her own insightful way of seeing things. He and Ryodan often say that she has this inner light that makes her stand out among others. It seems there both charmed by her (I don’t mean that in a sexual way) because she’s so young and to have gone through all that she’s been through, any other human would break but she didn’t, in fact she flourished. Which is why Ryodan is impressed with Dani.

In Iced the whole Ryodan/Dani relationship was the most controversial but here are the reasons why I guess it didn’t feel as uncomfortable for me as it was to some…
1. Dani’s world is not our world meaning that the inhabitants in Dublin like The Nine exist outside of the confines of laws and morality and trying to make them fit into what our current society deems fit as acceptable or appropriate would be frustrating. In short, I’m just going with the flow when I read these books lol.

2. Dani is and isn’t 14. Technically she has been alive for 14 years but hers wasn’t an ordinary childhood. She’s been fighting all her life and seeing and experiencing darkness that’s made her have to grow up much faster than she should. Though she is naïve and innocent about certain aspects because she’s never cared for being in any sort of relationship. I don’t mean that because she’s like this I want her to have sex with Ryodan or anyone else, I’m just saying she can be quite mature in certain aspects of her personality.

3. Dani has quite a few prominent men in her life and though there’s been a bit of innuendo here and there, I don’t think there’s anything inappropriate with Dancers or Ryodan’s behaviour. Though Christian kind of gets a free pass because he is a death-by-sex-fae and he’s struggling with the change he’s going through and there’s always going to be part of his nature he can’t control. Which is the same for Ryodan. The Nine are highly sexual creatures and I think I remember Karen saying somewhere that fighting and intense emotions (sexual or otherwise) can make them extremely horny which they have to sort out otherwise they can become dangerous. For example, after Dani almost died, he had to have sex because of the emotions he was feeling leading him to boinking Joe.

4. Though Ryodan does claim Dani as his own from the beginning of Iced, not in a sexual way, but more as a tool, he needs to use to achieve his goal he’s set for himself. We all know he’s been watching over her for years to make sure she survives, now it’s the time to protect her and keep her close.

Burned ‘’Ryodan smiles faintly. “I loved watching her be young. Cocky. Swaggering around like she was invincible. She was supposed to have years of it.”
“She’s still swaggering. And feeling invincible.”
“She was healing. Until she and Mac fell out. It fucked with her head. I was going to be the concrete pillar that held up the roof while she redecorated her bunker. Give her time to choose who she wanted to be. Thought if I could keep her from having to make any brutal choices for a few years, she’d merge. Let her rebel against me rather than taking on the whole world. That opportunity is gone now.” Ryodan doesn’t say anything for a long moment. When he speaks again his voice is low, rough. “It’s as if my Dani died.” ‘’

5. Finally lol Ryodan is definitely not saving himself for Dani at all. He’s not patiently embracing celibacy and waiting for her to mature so he can seduce her when she comes of age. Instead Ryodan’s made it clear how much he’s not waiting for Dani in any romantic way, but what does exist between them is the promise of what could be in the future. We can see in Dani the type of woman she will become, and we already know the type of man Ryodan is, so the appeal for me in a Ryodan/Dani pairing is not rooted in the present with Iced, but in what Karen has in store for us in the next books.

Phew that took me a while to write lol. But it took me re-reading Iced to look at every interaction between them and see if I could see anything remotely wanting. I don’t think KMM would make Ryodan want Dani inappropriately, so I guess it depends on how a reader interprets the book.

But I do really love both Dani and Mac. There pov’s are so different and polar opposites in certain ways that I can’t wait to see what happens next. Sigh… A year is too long to wait.
But what I wouldn’t do to get in Ryodan’s head and see what he’s actually thinking in these scenes!!

Also I had this idea that blood pact made between Mac, Barrons, Ryodan and Christian will come into play. They made a pact to not kill each other, so I think Evil Mac may not be able to hurt them.

Lool I’m always up for having an email buddy :D xxx

Christian: ''Just one time before I turn into the villain of this piece, just one time before I become the fourth and final Unseelie prince, I want to be her Highlander. And her hero.''
(This makes me swoon)

Hey Bestie! Have you read the graphic novel, FeverMoon? I bought it several months ago and forgot I had it! (Dang, that Fairy Juice!!!). Well, I finally got it out and read it today. It's a short-story about the Fear Dorcha. I loved being able to "see" the characters that I've been imaging in my head. Dani was drawn older looking than what I had her pictured in my mind. There are also notes in the back regarding the series in general as well as additional notes on the characters that I haven’t read or seen online before. There are some interesting tidbits about Barrons, Cruce and the UK. If you haven't read it, you should!

I wonder since the Book has taken over Mac, that we will get it's POV in the FS. That might be interesting. We'll definitely get Jada's POV. With that last scene and she and Mac seem to have made amends and bonded. Assuming that she got away from the Sweeper and out of the reach of the Book, Jada will be hell bent on getting Mac back. I would also like POVs from Barrons and Ryo.

I guess the big mysteries will be, other than what Evil Mac's going to do, … the blood bond, the music box and Dancer. Oh, and Shazam, can't forget about his furry-butt.

I'm pretty sure that it's the UK who is narrating the Prologue in Feverborn. The tone of it is completely him in the fact that the narrator keeps going on and on about how they really don't care that much about what happens to Dublin and the emphasis that is placed on continuous change and transformation which is what the UK is all about as you'll recall from him and Mac's interactions at the end of Shadowfever as well as his and the Unseelie Queen's convo in Burned when she was trying to convince him to save Dublin and he was all like, "Why? Why should I save it? What does it matter?"

It doesn't seem like to me the person in the prologue is the UK mainly because KMM has not specifically shown who that person is. Why would she hide who that person is. We already know about the UK, so why would she not let us know that it's him. Unless it's a new person in the game or someone we already know (Dancer) who's pov we havent gotten and who we wouldn't expect to think like that.
Dancers always been mysterious and we've gotten hints of that before, like when Ryodan got one of his men to tail him but they ended up losing Dancer and these men have super everything, so how could they lose a supposedly average human, also he's not afraid or intimidated by Ryodan when we know almost every human we've come accross is, and he always conveniently is always there when Dani's alone or introuble. I mean Dublin is huge but he always manages to be there at the right time!
Also he's been described as having fae aqua eyes. We know KMM is big on forshadowing, so I've been thinking for a while he's not human and he has an ulterior motive.
Thats why I think he's the person in the Prologue and he may be part of WeCare.

Yeah, but think about it, we didn't get a chapter from the UK in Feverborn but did get one from the Seelie Queen; I just think that KMM ended up giving it to us in the Prologue. Plus, it just sounds so much like him; like literally after I finished reading it, I was like UK has spoken.