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message 1: by Tien (last edited Jan 31, 2016 04:15PM) (new)

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Deep Cold River

We can't go over it,
We can't go under it,
Oh-No, we've got to go through it!

Splash Splosh
Splash Splosh
Splash Splosh


Your clues:
1. body of water on cover (ocean, lake, river etc and just so we're clear, not puddles / baths)
2. cold drinks on cover (preferably showing ice and / or condensation)
3. book includes journey over water (not flying over one but on boats or a cruise on those fancy ship or in a submarine, etc)

Please note which clue your book fits.


message 4: by Tien (last edited Jun 26, 2016 09:49PM) (new)

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Clue #3:
book includes journey over water (not flying over one but on boats or a cruise on those fancy ship or in a submarine, etc)

1788: The Brutal Truth of the First Fleet by David Hill
1788 by Watkin Tench
20000 Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne
438 Days: An Extraordinary True Story of Survival at Sea by Jonathan Franklin
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Pirates: Tall Tales and Other Short Stories by Evelyn M. Zimmer
The Arabian Nights
The Assassin’s Curse Duology
Atlas of the Transatlantic Slave Trade by David Eltis
Beyond the Poseidon Adventure by [authorPaulo Gallico]
The Boat SBS by Nam Le
Billy Budd and Other Stories by Herman Melville
Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage by Sherry Sontag & others
Bushnell's Submarine by Arthur Lefkowitz
The Captain's Dog: My Journey with the Lewis and Clark Tribe by Roland Smith
Columbus by Ingri d’Aulaire
Columbus: The Four Voyages by Laurence Bergreen
A Confederate Biography: The Cruise of the CSS Shenandoah by Dwight Sturtevant Hughes
Cut Like Glass by Dana S. Feldman
Darcy’s Voyage: A Tale of Uncharted Love on the Open Seas by Kara Louise
Dead Wake: The Last Crossing of the Lusitania by Erik Larson
The Deep by Nick Cutter
The Diligent: A Voyage Through the Worlds Of The Slave Trade by Robert W. Harms
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage by Alfred Lansing
Escape from the Deep: The Epic Story of a Legendary Submarine and her Courageous Crew by Alex Kershaw
The Eye of the Sheep by Sofie Laguna
Fateful by Claudia Gray
The Gracekeepers by Kirsty Logan
The House of Velvet and Glass by Katherine Howe
The Hunley Revealed: Solving the Mystery of the Civil War Submarine's Disappearance by Brian Hicks
The Hunt for Red October by Tom Clancy
If a Pirate I Must Be: The True Story of Black Bart, “King of the Caribbean Pirates” by Richard Sanders
In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex by Nathaniel Philbrick
The Journals of Lewis and lark by Meriwether Lewis
Journey to the Bottom of the Sea by Eilidh Rose
The Joys of Yachting by Andy Lear
Lewis and Clark and Me: A Dog's Tale by Laurie Myers
Life of Pi by Yann Martel
The Lifeboat by Charlotte Rogan
Moby-Dick; or, The Whale by Herman Melville
A Night to Remember by Walter Lord
The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway
On the Beach by Nevil Shute
Opening Atlantis (Atlantis #1) by Harry Turtledove
Paddle-to-the-Sea by Holling Clancy Holling
Pescador’s Wake by Katherine Johnson
The Pirates Laffite: The Treacherous World of the Corsairs of the Gulf by William C. Davis
Pirates of the Levant by Arturo Pérez-Reverte
Pirate Latitudes by Michael Crichton
A Pirate of Exquisite Mind: The Life of William Dampier: Explorer, Naturalist and Buccaneer by Diana Preston
Passenger (Passenger #1) by Alexandra Bracken
The Perfect Storm: A True Story of Men Against the Sea by Sebastian Junger
The Poseidon Adventure by Paul Gallico
Poisoned Waters by Ermisenda Alvarez
Promise Me This by Cathy Gohlke
Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe
Rockbound by Frank Parker Day
Sailing Alone around the World by Joshua Slocum
Sailing Fundamentals by Gary Jobson
Sailing to Byzantium by Robert Silverberg
The Scent Of The Chocolate Trade Winds by Jason R. Hemmings
Seafaring Women: Adventures of Pirate Queens, Female Stowaways & Sailors’ Wives by David Cordingly
A Sense of the World by Jason Roberts
The Seven Voyages of Sinbad the Sailor
The Shadow-Line by Joseph Conrad
Ship of Magic by Robin Hobb
Shipwrecked (Shipwrecked #1) by Siobhan Curham
Silent Victory: The U.S. Submarine War Against Japan by Clay Blair Jr.
SSN: A Strategy Guide to Submarine Warfare by Tom Clancy
The Story of a Shipwrecked Sailor by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
The Temple by H.P. Lovecraft
The Terrible Hours: The Greatest Submarine Rescue in History by Peter Maas
Three Men in a Boat by Jerome K. Jerome
Thunder Below!: The USS *Barb* Revolutionizes Submarine Warfare in World War II by Eugene B. Fluckey
The Time-Travelling Fashionista On Board the Titanic by Bianca Turetsky
Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson
Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption by Laura Hillenbrand
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (The Chronicles of Narnia #3) by C.S. Lewis
The Voyage Out by Virgina Woolf
The War Below: The Story of Three Submarines That Battled Japan by James Scott
World War 2 Submarine Stories: True Stories From the Underwater Battlegrounds by Ryan Jenkins
Yachting on the Cheap by Andy Lear
Yellow Submarine by Charlie Gardner


message 5: by Tien (last edited Jan 16, 2017 07:55PM) (new)

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Points Awarded:

9 - Amy
17 - Bea
24 - Lauren
36 - Coralie
36 - Karen
54 - Tien
78 - Karin
217 - Julie


message 7: by Karin (last edited Jan 31, 2016 06:53PM) (new)

Karin Now, if someone used the title for grass, may I still use the cover for this one?
Clue # 1
Snow Falling on Cedars by David Guterson


message 8: by Tien (new)

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Karin wrote: "Now, if someone used the title for grass, may I still use the cover for this one?
Clue # 1
Snow Falling on Cedars by David Guterson"


Yes :D


message 11: by Karen (new)

Karen (karenofthebookworm) Clue #1 Water on the Cover

The Great Sea A Human History of the Mediterranean by David Abulafia , Rasputin's Daughter by Robert Alexander , Death in the Floating City (Lady Emily, #7) by Tasha Alexander , H2O A Biography of Water by Philip Ball , Consider Phlebas (Culture, #1) by Iain M. Banks , Now You See Me (Lacey Flint, #1) by S.J. Bolton , Sacrifice by Sharon Bolton , Free Fire (Joe Pickett, #7) by C.J. Box , Caleb's Crossing by Geraldine Brooks , The Boys in the Boat Nine Americans and Their Epic Quest for Gold at the 1936 Berlin Olympics by Daniel James Brown , Look Who It Is! My Story by Alan Carr , The Man in the Brown Suit by Agatha Christie , Miracle Cure by Harlan Coben , The Sea Sisters by Lucy Clarke , The Haunted Hotel & Other Stories by Wilkie Collins , Pirate Hunter of the Caribbean The Adventurous Life of Captain Woodes Rogers by David Cordingly , The Island of the Day Before by Umberto Eco , The Lake of Dreams by Kim Edwards , The French Lieutenant's Woman by John Fowles , The Lake of Dead Languages by Carol Goodman , Five Ways To Kill A Man by Alex Gray , The Swedish Girl (DCI Lorimer, #10) by Alex Gray , The Riverman by Alex Gray , The Secret River by Kate Grenville , The House at Sea's End (Ruth Galloway, #3) by Elly Griffiths , The Crossing Places (Ruth Galloway, #1) by Elly Griffiths , Angel Falls by Kristin Hannah , On Mystic Lake by Kristin Hannah , The Island by Victoria Hislop , The Thread by Victoria Hislop , The Sunrise by Victoria Hislop , Cry Wolf (Doucet, #3) by Tami Hoag , Dregs (William Wisting #6) by Jørn Lier Horst , On the Nature of Consciousness Cognitive, Phenomenological, and Transpersonal Perspectives by Harry T. Hunt , Inmate 1577 (Karen Vail #4) by Alan Jacobson , Daisy Miller and an International Episode by Henry James


message 14: by Lauren (last edited Feb 01, 2016 02:14AM) (new)

Lauren (laurenjberman) | 1229 comments Clue #1: Body of Water on Cover

When Maidens Mourn (Sebastian St. Cyr, #7) by C.S. Harris Hell or High Water (Deep Six, #1) by Julie Ann Walker Antidote to Murder (Dr Dody McCleland, #2) by Felicity Young Shattered (High Risk, #3) by JoAnn Ross In the Dark (SEAL Team 12, #2) by Marliss Melton A Dark and Twisted Tide (Lacey Flint #4) by Sharon Bolton All I Want (Animal Magnetism, #7) by Jill Shalvis See Jane Die (Stacy Killian #1) by Erica Spindler Trust No One by Jayne Ann Krentz Secrets of the Lost Summer (Swift River Valley, #1) by Carla Neggers Eye of the Storm by Dee Davis The Homecoming (Shelter Bay, #1) by JoAnn Ross Unspeakable (Tracers, #2) by Laura Griffin Virtue Falls (Virtue Falls, #1) by Christina Dodd The Protector (Crossfire, #1) by Gennita Low Circle of Bones (The Shipwreck Adventures #1) by Christine Kling

Clue #2: Drink on cover
Rusty Nail (Jack Daniels Mystery, #3) by J.A. Konrath Whiskey Sour (Jack Daniels Mystery, #1) by J.A. Konrath Bloody Mary (Jack Daniels Mystery, #2) by J.A. Konrath Dirty Martini (Jack Daniels Mystery, #4) by J.A. Konrath Fuzzy Navel (Jack Daniels Mystery, #5) by J.A. Konrath Stirred (Jack Daniels Mystery, #8) by J.A. Konrath Shot of Tequila (Jack Daniels Mystery, #6.5) by J.A. Konrath


message 15: by Tien (new)

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Julie wrote: "Clue # 1 water on cover
South of Sunshine by Dana Elmendorf"


I don't see 'water'? I think it's just a field of grass?


message 17: by Tien (new)

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Lauren wrote: "Clue #2:
Stirred (Jack Daniels Mystery, #8) by J.A. Konrath"


sorry, empty glass with a bullet-hole on it...


message 18: by Bea (new)

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PAS updated through message 8


message 19: by Julie (new)

Julie  Webb | 126 comments Tien wrote: "Julie wrote: "Clue # 1 water on cover
South of Sunshine by Dana Elmendorf"

I don't see 'water'? I think it's just a field of grass?"


Sorry, your eyes are better than mine lol. I am on my kindle so it looked like ocean or a lake reflection to me. No biggie. Did you see my last day entry on grass, books that I read? I think there are 12 nonlisted books. They are all short so only 1 pt each.


message 21: by Karin (last edited Feb 01, 2016 05:00PM) (new)

Karin Tien wrote: "Points Awarded:

1 - Karin
6 - Amy
22 - Lauren
27 - Tien
32 - Coralie
36 - Karen
38 - Julie"



More:

Clue 1
The Doc's Side Tales of a Sunshine Coast Doctor by Eric Paetkau House Calls by Float Plane Stories of a West Coast Doctor by Alan Swan Adventures in Solitude What Not to Wear to a Nude Potluck and Other Stories from Desolation Sound by Grant Lawrence Bijaboji North to Alaska by Oar by Betty Lowman Carey Black Gold Nuggets from a Lifetime of Laughs by Arthur Black (that's a river for panning)
Diary of a Wilderness Dweller by Chris Czajkowski Enchanted Isles The Southern Gulf Islands by David A.E. Spalding Fishing the Coast A Life on the Water by Don Pepper Ginty's Ghost A Wilderness Dweller's Dream by Chris Czajkowski The Great Canadian Anecdote Contest by George Woodcock (Ithat's a plane landing on water) Homer Stevens A Life in Fishing by Homer Stevens Jedediah Days One Woman's Island Paradise by Mary Palmer Legacy in Wood The Wahl Family Boat Builders by Ryan Wahl Malcolm Lowry Vancouver Days by Sheryl Salloum A Path of My Own by Jolene Paonessa Slow Boat on Rum Row by Fraser Miles Spilsburys Coast by Howard White Spirit Of The Nikkei Fleet BC's Japanese Canadian Fishermen by Masako Fukawa Tragedy at Second Narrows The Story of the Ironworkers Memorial Bridge by Eric Jamieson The Uchuck Years A West Coast Shipping Saga by David Young

Now that I can search again (ETA):
Matters of Faith by Kristy Kiernan I Heard the Owl Call My Name by Margaret Craven Something Weird Is Going On by Christie Harris Who Needs a Reef? A Coral Ecosystem by Karen Patkau Who Needs a Swamp? by Karen Patkau Who Needs an Iceberg? by Karen Patkau Orcas, Eagles & Kings Georgia Strait & Puget Sound by Steve Yates Island Dreams Life on a Wild Island in the Georgia Strait by Charlie Walters Ferry Tales from Puget Sound and Georgia Strait Collection of Stories, Poems and Anecdotes by Joyce Delbridge Current Atlas Juan de Fuca Strait to Strait of Georgia by Canadian Minister of Fisheries Dreamspeaker Cruising Guide Series Vancouver, Howe Sound & the Sunshine Coast Volume 3 by Anne Yeadon-Jones Vancouver, Howe Sound & the Sunshine Coast Revised Including Princess Louisa Inlet & Jedediah Island by Anne Yeadon-Jones The Sound of a Rainbow by Stephen Howe Sweethearts of Sleeping Bear Bay by Donna Winters The Goat Lady's Daughter by Rosella M. Leslie Sunset Beachcombers' Guide to the Pacific Coast by Bob Thompson Pacific Northwest Beachcomber A Waterproof Pocket Guide to Beach Habitats, Plants & Animals from Oregon to British Columbia by James Kavanagh Downriver Drift by Tim Bowling Dangerous Waters Wrecks and Rescues Off the BC Coast by Keith Keller Dreamspeaker Cruising Guide Series The San Juan Islands Volume 4 by Anne Yeadon-Jones Desolation Sound and the Discovery Islands A Dreamspeaker Cruising Guide (Dreamspeaker Series) by Anne Yeadon-Jones Dreamspeaker Cruising Guide Series Vancouver, Howe Sound & the Sunshine Coast Volume 3 by Anne Yeadon-Jones Dreamspeaker Cruising Guide Series Desolation Sound & the Discovery Islands, New Third Edition by Anne Yeadon-Jones Dreamspeaker Cruising Guide Series The Gulf Islands & Vancouver Island, New, Revised Third Edition Victoria & Sooke to Nanaimo, Volume 1 by Anne Yeadon-Jones Dreamspeaker Cruising Guide Series Vancouver, Howe Sound & the Sunshine Coast Revised Including Princess Louisa Inlet & Jedediah Island, Volume 3 by Anne Yeadon-Jones Easykayaker A Guide to Laid-Back Paddling by Gary Backlund Easykayaking Basics A Paddling Handbook for the Pacific Northwest by Gary Backlund Fishing for a Living by Alan Haig-Brown Glaciers, Bears and Totems Sailing in Search of the Real Southeast Alaska by Elsie Hulsizer Green Water Blues by John Skapski The Good Company An Affectionate History of the Union Steamships by Tom Henry High Boats A Century of Salmon Remembered by Pat Wastell Norris High Seas, High Risk The Story of the Sudburys by Pat Wastell Norris Island Halibut Fisherman by Robert H. Jones Kayaking Vancouver Island Great Trips from Port Hardy to Victoria by Gary Backlund Visions of the Wild A Voyage by Kayak Around Vancouver Island by Maria Coffey Sea Kayak Around Vancouver Island by Doug Alderson The Wild Coast, Volume 3 A Kayaking, Hiking and Recreation Guide for BC's South Coast and East Vancouver Island by John Kimantas A NOVICE KAYAKERS GUIDE TO NORTH VANCOUVER ISLAND (Kayaking Adventures on the Northwest Pacific Coast Book 1) by Tom Hargraves The Wild Coast A Kayaking, Hiking And Recreational Guide For North And West Vancouver Island (The Wild Coast) by John Kimantas Outer Coast Solo A journey by kayak though the history, culture and wilderness of the northwest coast of Vancouver Island by Mike Laanela BC Coastal Recreation Kayaking and Small Boat Atlas British Columbia's South Coast and East Vancouver Island by John Kimantas BC Coastal Recreation Kayaking and Small Boat Atlas Volume Two British Columbia's West Vancouver Island A Companion to the Wild Coast Kayaking and Recreation Guides by John Kimantas Outer Coast Solo A Journey by Sea Kayak Through the History, Culture and Wilderness of the Northwest Coast of Vancouver Island by Mike Laanela

Evening ETA whoops one duplicate

Adventures in Solitude What Not to Wear to a Nude Potluck and Other Stories from Desolation Sound by Grant Lawrence Around the Sound by Doreen Armitage Burrard Inlet by Tyler Keevil Burrard Inlet A History by Doreen Armitage Campbell River Gateway to the Inside Passage, Including Strathcona, the Discovery Islands and the Mainland Inlets by Ian Douglas The Cinnamon Mine An Alaska Highway Childhood by Ellen Davignon Peggy's Cove The Amazing History of a Coastal Village by Lesley Choyce Coastal Villages by Liv Kennedy Storm Surge A Coastal Village Battles the Rising Atlantic by William Sargent Desolation Sound by Fraser C. Heston Desolation Sound A History by Heather Harbord Diary of a Wilderness Dweller by Chris Czajkowski Enchanted Isles The Southern Gulf Islands by David A.E. Spalding Fortune's a River The Collision of Empires in Northwest America by Barry M. Gough The Fraser Valley A History by John A Cherrington Full Moon, Flood Tide Bill Proctor's Raincoast by Bill Proctor Haunted Waters Tales of the Old Coast by Dick Hammond How Old Is That Mountain? A Visitor's Guide to the Geology of Banff and Yoho National Parks by Chris Yorath


message 22: by Tien (new)

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Bea wrote: "PAS updated through message 8"

Thanks, Bea! :)


message 23: by Tien (new)

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Julie wrote: "Did you see my last day entry on grass, books that I read? I think there are 12 nonlisted books. They are all short so only 1 pt each. "

Yes, finally managed to update points yesterday, sorry but my internet connection has been a bit dodgy.


message 24: by Susan (last edited Feb 01, 2016 02:46PM) (new)

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PAS update through message 10.


message 25: by Julie (new)

Julie  Webb | 126 comments Tien wrote: "Julie wrote: "Did you see my last day entry on grass, books that I read? I think there are 12 nonlisted books. They are all short so only 1 pt each. "

Yes, finally managed to update points yesterd..."


Oh, I hate when my internet gets dodgy :( No worries about the points just wasn't sure if you had seen it. Thanks for updating :)


message 28: by Coralie (new)

Coralie | 1659 comments Also Clue #1
The Swimming Pool Season by Rose Tremain A Ring of Endless Light (Austin Family, #5) by Madeleine L'Engle The Diving Pool Three Novellas by Yōko Ogawa

Clue #3
Opening Atlantis


message 29: by Bea (last edited Feb 02, 2016 03:29AM) (new)

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PAS update through #19.


message 30: by Bea (new)

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Rum Runner by J.A. Konrath - I added this one while adding others in the series.


message 31: by Bea (last edited Feb 02, 2016 10:00AM) (new)

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Clue #1: Body of water on cover
Twist (Frank Quinn, #8) by John Lutz , The Tutor's Daughter by Julie Klassen , The Saving Graces by Patricia Gaffney , Dead Silence (Doc Ford, #16) by Randy Wayne White , Death of a Dishonorable Gentleman (Lady Montfort Mystery #1) by Tessa Arlen , Sea Swept (Chesapeake Bay Saga, #1) by Nora Roberts , Mother Earth Father Sky by Sue Harrison , She's Come Undone by Wally Lamb , When the Killing's Done by T.C. Boyle , The Drowning River (Sandro Cellini, #1) by Christobel Kent , An Isolated Incident by Susan R. Sloan , Acceptable Loss (William Monk, #17) by Anne Perry , The Bungalow by Sarah Jio , Suzanne's Diary for Nicholas by James Patterson


message 33: by Bea (new)

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Posting on PAS: I got through the first section of post 21 and the first line of the second section in that same post.


message 35: by Bea (last edited Feb 04, 2016 04:27AM) (new)

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In post 21: Karin wrote: "More:

Clue 1
The Doc's Side Tales of a Sunshine Coast Doctor by Eric Paetkau[book..."


Karin, several of your books in section two have the same cover and similar titles. As a librarian, I did some work on that group of books yesterday. All the books you listed for a particular title are now combined together with that title. I have only listed the first one of each on PAS.


message 36: by Bea (last edited Feb 05, 2016 07:53AM) (new)

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PAS updated through message #25 #30


message 37: by Susan (new)

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PAS updated through message # 36


message 38: by Bea (new)

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Susan wrote: "PAS updated through message # 36"

Yay!


message 39: by Karin (last edited Feb 06, 2016 06:22AM) (new)

Karin Bea wrote: "In post 21: Karin wrote: "More:

Clue 1
The Doc's Side Tales of a Sunshine Coast Doctor by Eric Paetkau[book..."

Karin, several of your books in section two have the same cover and similar ..."


Thanks, sorry about that. I hadn't realized at first that duplicates were showing up in different categories on he publisher's website. Nor did I realize they were using the same photos for different titles aargh!


message 40: by Karin (last edited Feb 06, 2016 07:20AM) (new)

Karin Wow, it is hard to see every single little cover so I hope I din't miss this. It's a great memoir of an American swimmer. Plus another book I found where the author has the same first name as me.
CLUE # 1
Swimming to Antarctica Tales of a Long-Distance Swimmer by Lynne Cox
Faulty Predictions by Karin Lin-Greenberg

CLUE #3
The Poseidon AdventureBeyond the Poseidon Adventure both by Paul Gallico

Journey to the Bottom of the Sea


message 41: by Susan (new)

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PAS updated through message # 40


message 42: by Bea (new)

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Pale Gray for Guilt A Travis McGee Novel by John D. MacDonald


message 43: by Amy (new)

Amy | 2254 comments Clue #1:

Salt to the Sea by Ruta Sepetys , A Girl's Guide to Moving On (New Beginnings, #2) by Debbie Macomber , The Friends We Keep by Susan Mallery


message 44: by Tien (last edited Feb 29, 2016 03:34PM) (new)

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Clue #1: Palace of Desire by Naguib Mahfouz


message 45: by Bea (new)

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PAS updated through #44.


message 46: by Karin (last edited Mar 07, 2016 07:20AM) (new)

Karin Clue # 1

The Overton Window (Overton Window, #1) by Glenn Beck (water is at bottom and there are a few boats in it as well)
An Unsuitable Job For A Woman (Cordelia Gray, #1) by P.D. James


message 47: by Bea (new)

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Clue #1 Sea Swept (Chesapeake Bay Saga #1) by Nora Roberts


message 48: by Susan (new)

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Bea wrote: "Clue #1 Sea Swept (Chesapeake Bay Saga #1) by Nora Roberts"

Bea,
It looks like Sea Swept was already shelved for February, though with a different cover.


message 49: by Susan (new)

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PAS updated through # 47


message 50: by Bea (new)

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Susan wrote: "PAS updated through # 47"

Ha, ha! That was me! Oh, well.


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