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And then we have the 21st century version. The dirty rotten RASCLS:
Reciprocation, Authority, Scarcity, Commitment and Consistency, Liking, and Social Proof.
Reciprocation, Authority, Scarcity, Commitment and Consistency, Liking, and Social Proof.
First questions for this thread are these:
Which of the original MICE framework is the most relevant in the 21st century?
Which do you find is the most common in the spy fiction that you have read?
Which would you yourself use if you were writing a traitor into a spy fiction work of your own?
Which of the original MICE framework is the most relevant in the 21st century?
Which do you find is the most common in the spy fiction that you have read?
Which would you yourself use if you were writing a traitor into a spy fiction work of your own?
In real world 21st Century, I would say that money is still most relevant, closely followed by ideology.
In spy fiction, I would say that compromise would come on par with money.
Om a spy novel of my own, I would take ideology first (ie religion, ethnic feelings) for persons out of the Middle East or North Africa, and money (including sexual favors and gifts) for most of the rest of the World.
In spy fiction, I would say that compromise would come on par with money.
Om a spy novel of my own, I would take ideology first (ie religion, ethnic feelings) for persons out of the Middle East or North Africa, and money (including sexual favors and gifts) for most of the rest of the World.
Good points. In this age of ideological extremism and economic turmoil, the opportunities to corrupt the right people simply abound.
I wonder if the 'Ego' element of the MICE model has ever played a significant part in spy fiction or a real life case for that matter.
For starters, in the SPECTRE Bond film last year, the big bad cultivated an asset in the British intelligence community.
The guy was a real Kim Philby, hell he even surpassed Philby by landing an appointment as a fictional UK version of the American Director of national intelligence, running the whole shop and crippling the power of the SIS and 'M".
When 'M' and him have a quiet moment, the motive rant the asset spews ticks all the boxes which land him in the 'ego' category of the MICE model.
The asset became a traitor because he believed he alone could secure the civilized world from threats foreign and domestic through his proposal for a centralized intel database which all the spy agencies would pool their intelligence into. Not an organization, not individuals, it was all about him.
He furthermore poured scorn on the HUMINT side of the espionage business, belittling their capabilities as insignificant compared to the titanic power of his new toy and mocked democracy as a worthless ideal that couldn't defend itself without him subverting the whole point of a democratic society.
Quite a self centered despicable chap whose ego led to his downfall when he tried to resist being detained and attempted to fight a former SAS trooper. Said former SAS trooper wrested back possession of his Glock and booted the asset over the edge of a 100 meter interior atrium.
I wonder if the 'Ego' element of the MICE model has ever played a significant part in spy fiction or a real life case for that matter.
For starters, in the SPECTRE Bond film last year, the big bad cultivated an asset in the British intelligence community.
The guy was a real Kim Philby, hell he even surpassed Philby by landing an appointment as a fictional UK version of the American Director of national intelligence, running the whole shop and crippling the power of the SIS and 'M".
When 'M' and him have a quiet moment, the motive rant the asset spews ticks all the boxes which land him in the 'ego' category of the MICE model.
The asset became a traitor because he believed he alone could secure the civilized world from threats foreign and domestic through his proposal for a centralized intel database which all the spy agencies would pool their intelligence into. Not an organization, not individuals, it was all about him.
He furthermore poured scorn on the HUMINT side of the espionage business, belittling their capabilities as insignificant compared to the titanic power of his new toy and mocked democracy as a worthless ideal that couldn't defend itself without him subverting the whole point of a democratic society.
Quite a self centered despicable chap whose ego led to his downfall when he tried to resist being detained and attempted to fight a former SAS trooper. Said former SAS trooper wrested back possession of his Glock and booted the asset over the edge of a 100 meter interior atrium.
In the preview of this book, the main character is contracted by the SIS to liquidate one of its officers who they believe has drastically destroyed the operational security of their Hong Kong station.
Victor corners him in a Russian train and asks him what could have caused him to be marked for death by Vauxhall Cross.
The officer replies that the MSS managed to pull off a successful honey trap operation targeting him.
After a while, the officer realized what happened, but like someone indulging in a guilty pleasure, resorted to self-delusion and kept moving the point in which he would break off relations with the plant.
This could be considered an example of the MICE model's compromise aspect, an unwillingness to not do the proper thing until its too late.
A handy guide on the 'dirty rottern RASCLS' model of treason and asset cultivation, for those who are not familiar with the concept.
https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&...
https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&...
From an espionage drama on TV, we have the legendary traitor Nina Myers of "24" fame. Her categories on the MICE model would be money and ego.
She possessed a titanic greed coupled with an 'it's all about me' mindset, which made her willing to facilitate an attempt to kill the presidential candidate front runner, get her former lover's family kidnapped and then shot said former lover's wife in cold blood even when she could have chosen to discretely leave her gagged and tied up in a locked storeroom.
And in Day 3, she's back, her greed and self-preservation instincts having risen to the max. When Jack finally guns her down, her last act in life is to try bargain for mercy while slowly reaching for a Glock 19. Bauer isn't fooled in the slightest and blows her away.
She possessed a titanic greed coupled with an 'it's all about me' mindset, which made her willing to facilitate an attempt to kill the presidential candidate front runner, get her former lover's family kidnapped and then shot said former lover's wife in cold blood even when she could have chosen to discretely leave her gagged and tied up in a locked storeroom.
And in Day 3, she's back, her greed and self-preservation instincts having risen to the max. When Jack finally guns her down, her last act in life is to try bargain for mercy while slowly reaching for a Glock 19. Bauer isn't fooled in the slightest and blows her away.
Another question for this thread. The RASCLS model.
Which of the mode's elements would be the most relevant in real life?
Which would be relevant in spy fiction?
Give an example where one of the model's elements has popped up, whether in real life or fiction.
Reciprocation: Provide amenities. Play on the human desire to repay. Perhaps provide a spark of some kind. Help the asset out with a personal problem for instance, like finances, travel issues or employment opportunities.
Or if you're feeling particularly cruel, give them a credit card to make them indebted to you.
Authority: When you're part of the spy agency, being a member of "the company" or "the firm" does have a nice ring which would make someone sit up and take notice. Impress, awe and intimidate assets with the dark wondrous powers that come from not just being a mere deputy cultural liaison at the embassy. Furthermore, convince the asset that they're part of some big machine and not the only cog.
Scarcity: Can be coupled with reciprocity. Make it clear to the asset that whatever opportunities they have in the relationship are scarce and can be eliminated at any time if the asset does not back up his words with solid actions. But balance this artificial/genuine sense of worry. One can't have the asset go over the edge.
Consistency: Find ways to establish grounds of good faith. Ask the asset to provide data on a 'dry run' for instance in order to get your hooks into him.
Liking: The easiest method. Become a friend, flatter, be a confidant and create the impression to the asset that his handler is one of the few people on earth who understand him.
Social Proof: Ingrain within the asset that the job they are doing for the handler is correct and proper. Oleg Penkovsky for instance was loyal to his SIS handler who had convinced him what he was doing was right, to the bitter end even with the KGB closing in on him.
Which of the mode's elements would be the most relevant in real life?
Which would be relevant in spy fiction?
Give an example where one of the model's elements has popped up, whether in real life or fiction.
Reciprocation: Provide amenities. Play on the human desire to repay. Perhaps provide a spark of some kind. Help the asset out with a personal problem for instance, like finances, travel issues or employment opportunities.
Or if you're feeling particularly cruel, give them a credit card to make them indebted to you.
Authority: When you're part of the spy agency, being a member of "the company" or "the firm" does have a nice ring which would make someone sit up and take notice. Impress, awe and intimidate assets with the dark wondrous powers that come from not just being a mere deputy cultural liaison at the embassy. Furthermore, convince the asset that they're part of some big machine and not the only cog.
Scarcity: Can be coupled with reciprocity. Make it clear to the asset that whatever opportunities they have in the relationship are scarce and can be eliminated at any time if the asset does not back up his words with solid actions. But balance this artificial/genuine sense of worry. One can't have the asset go over the edge.
Consistency: Find ways to establish grounds of good faith. Ask the asset to provide data on a 'dry run' for instance in order to get your hooks into him.
Liking: The easiest method. Become a friend, flatter, be a confidant and create the impression to the asset that his handler is one of the few people on earth who understand him.
Social Proof: Ingrain within the asset that the job they are doing for the handler is correct and proper. Oleg Penkovsky for instance was loyal to his SIS handler who had convinced him what he was doing was right, to the bitter end even with the KGB closing in on him.
And if you want further details on MICE and RASCLS, check out the pdf in one of the previous posts.
SAFE HAVENS: Primed ChargeHere you can find my review of J.T. Patten’s fantastic spy thriller “Primed Charge”. (the review will remain an exclusive and is only for members of this group to read, until the novel gets officially released this Friday)
I received an ARC, in exchange for an honest review:
Kill a few people at random, nothing changes. But kill the right people…
Warning the following review contains major rambling and minor plot spoilers! So if you just want to know how good this book really is, skip to the last paragraph.
Conventions and clichés can be a true pain in the ass, especially in today’s spy thriller novels. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t enjoy a well-executed formula f thriller, where the “good guys” must stop the evil terrorists from launching a devastating nuclear strike against the West. But unfortunately reality is rarely that simple. The world just can’t be divided into black and white (especially not in the spy business), because such things don’t exist. They never did. Today’s times in particular require a much more sophisticated worldview, in order to see the million shades of gray that define the shadow world of global politics and international espionage.
That’s why I’m always more invested in books that not just entertain me, but also make me think about the world we are living in and the greater questions that come with it. J.T. Patten’s debut was such a book, which showed the world of black-ops for what it is. A very dark place in which honorable and not so honorable people alike, make morally ambiguous decisions, because they think the outcome will be better than the alternative and where the darkness can destroy even the most honorable man’s soul.
I’m happy to report that Patten succeeds where many of his peers have failed, surpassing the gold standard set by his mesmerizing debut novel! “Primed Charge” has all the elements that made the first one so great, but the scope and scale of the story Patten tells, have grown significantly.
There are bombings happening around the world, taking out civilians, soldiers and diplomats alike and even some high ranking CIA officials and analysts on US soil. They seem random and unconnected until formidable intel asset Sean Havens discovers a possible link to some ambiguous activities from China, Iran and Russia around the golden triangle. But as always, nothing is as it seems, in the shadow world of intelligence entities, international conglomerates and ancient old secret societies…
The author – who has worked as a counter intelligence and financial fraught analyst for many years – again displays a profound knowledge of global affairs, military tactics and the inner workings of the intelligence community, that can’t be acquired just through thorough research, but only through personal experience. The heart of the story however, is again his grounded everyman protagonist Sean Havens.
For over 20 years, he traveled through the dark places of the world as a highly specialized intel asset, who provided backup for elite military units, implemented schemes to destabilize terror groups and created opportunities for the US government to exploit. Basically he helped making the world a little safer or that’s what he thought. Betrayed by the very government he gave everything for and because of reasons he doesn’t fully understand yet, Havens’ family fell victim to a vicious false flag attack on home soil, leaving his wife dead and his daughter in a coma. Now one year later, Havens struggles with his duties as a single dad to his recovering daughter, while at the same time trying to come to grips with his addiction to the work that caused his life to unravel in the first place. It is due to the author’s nuanced characterization, that Sean Havens doesn’t come across as just another Mitch Rapp or Jason Bourne type of an indestructible larger than life superspy, but a flawed and broken man, who is deeply damaged in his soul after the traumatic experiences of the last book and who’s indelible need to right the wrongs of the world and helping comrades in danger, make him the perfect pawn for the shadow masters. Seeing Havens struggling with both global threats and his obligations as a father truly let my heart go out to him and I really could identify with his mental struggle and the driving motives behind his actions. There is one scene in particular, where he promises his teenage daughter to kill the people responsible for her mother’s death, which feels so real, that it almost made me cry!
Next we have the female lead Tanya Crowe, a brilliant intelligence analyst, who shares quite some history with Sean and guards a secret with the potential to make his life even more complicated. Many authors overdo it when they try to create strong female characters, making them seem almost invincible and more like larger than life stereotypes than real human characters as a result. Tanya is a great example on how to create a strong and independent female character that is very tough but also can be very sensitive and self-conscious at times. In a way she is broken, like every one of us, strong on the outside, but conflicted and vulnerable on the inside. Tanya is the perfect shimmer of hope on the horizon for Havens and was someone I as a reader, not only cared and rooted for from early on, but also admired for her strength. And the end suggests we haven’t seen the last of her, which is great!
Now to the main villain of “Primed Charge”: Paulo Violardo, an Italian intelligence officer, explosives expert and fanatic Freemason master. He is a bit more “outlandish” than Prescott Draeger from the last book (who also plays a big role in this one) but no less compelling. Paulo is a true believer of God and a “Christian fundamentalist” in his own right. I found it very refreshing to see a believable portrait of a holy warrior of Christ for a change, instead of the ever repeating stereotypical Islamic Jihadists. The author places little tidbits of Paulo’s backstory through the book, helping the reader to better understand how this guy ticks. But just when you think you figured him out, wait for what he does at the end. It really rattled my feelings about him!
Now to the last character I will introduce here (there are some more very interesting lads but analyzing them all, would truly be beyond the scope of this review). He is the one who secretly steals the show. Meet Jerry a spy master in his eighties, who you would probably slight as a cold war relic at first sight, but rest assured, you couldn’t be more wrong about the coveted Director of the CIA’s National Clandestine Service! He takes the sentiment “to play both sides of the fence” to a whole new level. As a Yale absolvent and longtime member of the secret Skull & Bones society, he seems also to be the only one, who keeps the forces aligned against Sean Havens at bay or is he? Jerry surely knows his way around the shadow games of international intelligence and he is a perfect example of a morally gray character. Is he a villain or just someone trying to pull the world back from the brink of disaster, by all means necessary? After Jerry’s gut-wrenching trade at the end, the readers will probably lean towards the former, but everything else aside, Jerry might be the only one capable of stopping the ongoing conspiracy and impending doom.
Which brings me to the next big standout: Patten’s ability to mix fact with frighteningly plausible fiction to create a realistic conspiracy, which is not of the “could really happen” variety, bus is quite possibly already happening, for all we know. The Pond, a once truly existing radical anti-communism offspring of the CIA (which was already established in the first book) makes a return in “Primed Charge” and continues to wreak havoc around the globe. Additionally Patten introduces P2, a secret Italian Mason lodge, with ties to the Mafia, intelligence services the world over and even the Vatican. The author’s inside knowledge as a former financial fraud expert, makes the whole conspiracy highly plausible and ring true with authenticity. Being an independently publishing author, also gave Patten the time flexibility to weave recent events into the schemes of P2 and the Pond – namely the Belgium attacks and the Panama Papers – which lends even more credibility to the whole story. The author proofs that the biggest threats for the western world mustn’t necessarily come from the Middle East, but could quite possibly originate from power hungry factions embedded in our own institutions!
Also of note is one of the book’s main themes, which is not only very important to the story the author tells, but also highly relevant in today’s times: Those who walk the thin line between light and darkness, sacrifice they health and often their sanity to protect their country, but what does their country to help them and their families? The sad answer becomes more and more apparent as the story progresses and Patten shows through different characters, how the government’s unwillingness to take care of the people who protect it, creates shattered lives in abundance. Some are over the edge and beyond saving and therefore become perfect surrogates to be exploited by the puppet masters pulling the strings in the shadows of plausible deniability. But there are also some people, who despite experiencing unimaginable losses and suffering in the line of duty, still feel only alive if they can help others in need! The message sounds clear: It are men like Sean Havens giving their all, so that normal people like us can go peaceful and blissfully unaware about their lives, that should receive our uttermost gratitude!
The verdict: J.T. Patten crafts the most memorable thriller I have read in a long time, combining his inside knowledge, crisp writing and unconventionally realistic portrayal of action scenes and the inner mechanisms of the intelligence world, with a multi-layered and fast-paced plot full of twists you won’t see coming, until they hit you with more velocity and stopping power than a 357 Magnum slug, to create a dark, action-packed and highly relevant masterpiece, which at the moment ranks without equal in the military/spy thriller genre! The author is now in the same sphere (if not a little above) as the likes of Tom Wood, Terry Hayes or Stephen England and easily surpasses heavyweights, such as David Baldacci, Ben Coes and Barry Eisler! If you read only one book this year, make it this one!
Looking back at this pretty good book I reviewed recently, I can't help but utilize the frameworks at the start of the thread on the traitor who set the events of Mitch Rapp 14 in motion.
The traitor in question is a character who managed to acquire the names of the assets that make up the Company's HUMINT networks. His motivations for doing son stem from dissatisfaction on the surface but ultimately boil down to the EGO element of the MICE model.
At the heart of his treason, he wishes to prove himself a better spy than the DCI and her personal hitman who he holds in contempt, by destroying American Foreign intelligence and escaping to a comfortable life in the most desirable subdivision of Pakistan.
Recently reviewed a book involving a secondary antagonist who commits a pretty treasonous act.
On the MICE scale, he falls squarely into EGO.
The individual in question is someone who believes he's saving his country by solving a foreign policy problem with the final solution to end all final solutions. Arrogant and contemptuous of those who try more balanced strategies, he's managed to delude himself that only he and the project he's assisting with can save the day from those who believe are feckless fools unwilling to get down and dirty.
MICE OR RASCLS.
Which is the more relevant concept. (check for PDF file link for an explanation about RASCLS)
Which is the more relevant concept. (check for PDF file link for an explanation about RASCLS)
I think the MICE concept is still somewhat relevant. Don't know any traitors who can be defined by the RASCLS framework well.
Interesting article posted by group member J.T. Patten
Turns out ending relationships with assets doesn't involve suppressed weapons, knives and garotte wire after all! Instead it's (usually) a lot more boring, gentle and pleasant.
http://www.ingloriousamateurs.com/cab...
Turns out ending relationships with assets doesn't involve suppressed weapons, knives and garotte wire after all! Instead it's (usually) a lot more boring, gentle and pleasant.
http://www.ingloriousamateurs.com/cab...
Samuel wrote: "Interesting article posted by group member J.T. Patten
Turns out ending relationships with assets doesn't involve suppressed weapons, knives and garotte wire after all! Instead i..."
Quite interesting indeed. Certainly a much nicer way of treating assets than what was portrayed in the new movie JASON BOURNE.
Turns out ending relationships with assets doesn't involve suppressed weapons, knives and garotte wire after all! Instead i..."
Quite interesting indeed. Certainly a much nicer way of treating assets than what was portrayed in the new movie JASON BOURNE.
Michel wrote: "Samuel wrote: "Interesting article posted by group member J.T. Patten
Turns out ending relationships with assets doesn't involve suppressed weapons, knives and garotte wire after..."
You got that right!
Turns out ending relationships with assets doesn't involve suppressed weapons, knives and garotte wire after..."
You got that right!
Books mentioned in this topic
The Trident Deception (other topics)The Survivor (other topics)
Safe Havens: Primed Charge (other topics)
A Time to Die (other topics)
Authors mentioned in this topic
J.T. Patten (other topics)J.T. Patten (other topics)
J.T. Patten (other topics)



So here's another to add to our running theme.
MONEY
IDEOLOGY
COMPROMISE
EGO
Five words as defined by founding fathers of the Central Intelligence Agency, as the primary reasons betrayal and cultivation of an asset may occur.