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Mark André No rules? Is that because it's Joyce or for some other reason? I'm a big Ulysses fan, but I'm not a big fan of Kenner's. I do have a copy of Joyce's Voices and some of the other major? critical works. I also don't place much value on audio-books, just old fashion I guess...
So what is it you would like to do here? Maybe give me some clues about how you enjoyed Ulysses the first time.


message 2: by barry (last edited Jan 31, 2017 11:38PM) (new)

barry (barryreadingaboutmath) | 1 comments Rules seem unnecessary. I could be wrong.

I thought Joyce's Voices was an interesting analysis of narration in literature and how Joyce used it. It helped me understand what Joyce was doing or (maybe) it just made me aware of something that I had felt vaguely. Ulysses has a simple plot, but it is viewed through many narrative lenses. Oxen in the Sun is largely about language. The narrator isn't interested in the plot. That is trivial but, the first time I read the book, I saw the language there as something merely in the way- an annoying obstacle. It was easier to deal with when I thought about it in terms of a rebelling narrator. I believe that was how Kenner described it. So Kenner got me thinking about Ulysses in a way that made it easier to handle.

Audiobooks are merely another way of reading. I actually didn't listen to much of the audiobook in the end though. I did enjoy listening to Circe acted out by a cast of Irish actors. That can be found on archive.org. Ulysses was performed on Irish radio in 1982.

What would I like to do?

I've finished the book. So the discussion can't be as I originally intended it.

[I'm reading Wuthering Heights now and it's very easy -almost childish- compared to Ulysses. I'm enjoying it.]

But,

What is you opinion on the ending of Ithica?

What does the big "." mean?

Also, can we admit that the book has some really boring parts?

-The lists.

There are far too many lists. Especially in Ithica. I, partly, undersand what he was going for. It is a scientific breakdown of Bloom. But, still, -apart from some funny or surprising things- it was brutal.

-Circe

Circe has many great moments, but it is meandering.

- Eumaeus

This is the most boring chapter, imho.

Am I wrong?


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