Perpetual (Pro)motion discussion

I like a drink while I chat with friends, and my preference is a pint of beer and 'boisterous' chat so I head to the public bar. Please join me when you have a few minutes free. I'd like to be able to buy you a pint when you turn up but those hard-working little electrons in my laptop get upset when I try and pour it down the wires and I don't want to upset them. They don't get upset if they hear swearing, though, which is just as well...

If you want a bit more refinement cussing is not allowed in the wine bar.

Now I feel at home!

Let me shout you a beer in thanks, Jay. I (we) really appreciate your hard work in setting up this group as well as all your efforts in editing/publishing OWAW 2014.

Cheers to you :)

G'day, Ryan!

BTW, thinking Oz, I don't believe any of that crap about Rolf - he remains a hero of mine. He admitted to ONE charge, where both parties were consenting. OK, in law he was at fault because of her age at the start of the relationship, but it was an enduring, loving relationship. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last. The other accusations are just 'gimme my 5 minutes of fame' saddos, as is the case for all these current law suits. How can what was acceptable forms of touching then now be tried as sexual assault? Oh, that'll be 'let me at his money' perhaps... FFS! I despair of some people and the current accepted norms.

And my view of current times? It is warping the perceptions of so many children now, that their fathers have to think twice about when and how to touch them. And parents aren't 'allowed' to photograph their young children enjoying bathtime, or do so many other natural things that are part of being a loving family. THAT is what is sick and wrong in our society.

Discuss...

The sicko's are the ones that make up these stupid laws. No mother or father would think anything perverse of taking picture of their small children in the bath, or running nude on the beach! It sickens me that these so called experts can have these kinds of thoughts and no-one thinks they’re the weirdo's.
Parents are not allowed to film their kid’s plays at school anymore.
When will we be at the point where you will need to wear surgical gloves to bath or dress your baby?

It worries me that so many girls are now getting the subconscious message that touching is 'bad', even between family members who love each other. That is going to warp their future relationships with their own husband and children, if they ever get to have children when they've been taught to avoid intimate touching.

Me too. There is enough out in the big bad world for them to worry about. Soon we will all be having counseling just so we can try and have a normal life, with normal relationships.

P.S mine's a vodka :)

Just shouted them up.
Cheers!

Any thoughts about eventually dividing the 'novels' library into general genres? When we get a lot of books, it might be easier to plow through them that way.

Or we could revert to the Dewey Decimal System (yes, I remember using that!)

I have thought about it, and can't decide whether it's better to go straight to the very specific types of novel you always read, or whether members might make some good discoveries during the search. I think it is probably the case that many people restrict their reading far too much, purely out of habit.

True, I thought about that too - I'm just thinking that the thread might (eventually) get unwieldy, especially for new members - those of us who are keeping up on it won't have an issue, but imagine trying to plow through several hundred novels of various different genres. I suppose there could just be multiple Library threads, like Novel 1, Novel 2, etc. Optimistic, eh?

So what shelves would you like to see? It needs to be fairly simple, or it gets too onerous for me as a moderator, and it gets too restrictive with members whose horizons should be a tad wider.

Just an idea, maybe you could just have minimal categories, one for 18+ (for your horror & Erotica) one for non-fiction, and one for everything else? Not sure what would be best, but I know there are a lot of people who don't like Horror and Erotica/ others who don't like non-fiction.

We already have shelves for fiction, short stories, poetry and non-fiction. My reluctance to sub-divide fiction comes from my awareness that people don't like change, of the 'I read this genre and won't even consider any other' type. I don't want to see some very good books ignored just because the shelf they are on is never visited. I rather like the idea of discovering something of interest purely by scanning through the fiction on offer and being attracted by a cover, a blurb, whatever. I've read some cracking books in the last couple of years that I never would have found if I was relying on my own 'normal' search criteria.

There is another factor to consider; have you looked recently at the number of options listed when publishing a book? There's no way I could replicate that, but if I start to sub-divide how can I refuse to start yet another sub-division if a member asks for it?

I see your point! It could get messy.

Sometimes simple is best. And if this group is to survive I need to keep it very simple for me; a selfish viewpoint, maybe, but the choices are 'simple' or 'nothing'. I tried 'complicated' as mod of the Review Group and it all just got too much.

I agree, one thing you don't want is for it too get out of hand. :)

I would suggest starting a new 'novels' thread when a thread has 50 books listed in it. I think that would divide it into bite-sized chunks.

You mean Novels 1 - 1-50, Novels 2 - 51-100, that sort of thing? So you'd know after you'd been through the 1-50 list you could go to the next set and not have to see (again) the ones you'd already been through. Is that what you mean? Because that would work fine for me if it would also help the members.

Would you like the bookshelves to match, or keep that just as novels?

Yep, that's what I meant! I'm not sure about the bookshelves. I actually think they could just be kept as-is. I'm just thinking of a new member joining the group and seeing a 200+-long thread of novels - might be a bit less overwhelming if it was smaller chunks. Same for any other threads that reach an unwieldy length, too. I thought this might not require too much input or sorting from the moderator(s).

OK, no problem with that. I'm all for an easy life - one day I'll suss out how to achieve that lol!

LOL, I wish I could. I now have 9 books I have promised to read and review. Why do I do this to myself! I keep saying I'll just agree to one at a time, then I can do some of my own work in between, but no, I just can't say NO.

Know that feeling well... That's why I've had to pull back a bit from things, just to give myself breathing space to catch up on all the other tasks before I get back to my novel. Getting there, though - provided I don't look at the Library I should be fine...

Hello, all!

Although a member of this group, I haven't had an opportunity to get fully acclimated yet. Even so, I just shared some news with Jay. She suggested that I pop on over here to share it with you all--over a virtual drink. I think I'll make mine a double. You see, I learned just last night that my debut epic fantasy novel, Oathtaker, was named a finalist in four categories of the 2014 Readers' Favorite International Book Award Contest. (So, does that mean I should make my virtual drink a quadruple?) It is listed in the following categories: Fiction Fantasy; YA Fantasy; Fiction Adventure and Fiction Intrigue.

Whoa. Actually, as I'm extra-busy at work just now, I'll let you all imbibe for me. What do you say?

Tell you what, Trish - you have 2 of them and I'll have the other 2. Cheers and congratulations!!

Jay wrote: "Tell you what, Trish - you have 2 of them and I'll have the other 2. Cheers and congratulations!!"

That works for me, Jay!

Cheers! --And thank you!

Congratulations!

Yay! Nice!

Mark wrote: "Congratulations!"

Thank you, Mark. What are you drinking there? I feel the next one should be on me!

K.A. wrote: "Yay! Nice!"

Thank you, K.A. It is pretty exciting.

You need a refill?

Patricia wrote: "Hello, all!

Although a member of this group, I haven't had an opportunity to get fully acclimated yet. Even so, I just shared some news with Jay. She suggested that I pop on over here to share it..."

Fantastic! Any one of those four categories would be a great achievement but to be nominated in all four - outstanding. Enjoy the high, Trish. Please let us know the end result once you find out. Cheers to you :)

Ryan wrote: "Patricia wrote: "Hello, all!

Although a member of this group, I haven't had an opportunity to get fully acclimated yet. Even so, I just shared some news with Jay. She suggested that I pop on over..."

Thank you, Ryan. That is wonderful of you to say!

Don't let your glass run dry, now!

Hah! No fear of that ;)

I'm just going to hunt down a copy. Is it on the apple store or just Amazon?

Came across this today and it made me giggle:

The British expression 'cock-up' isn't commonly used in the USA, where it is generally assumed to have a vulgar meaning. What they might make of Robert Burns' poem, which took the name of the old Scottish rhyme 'Cock up your beaver', is best left to the imagination.

(that's definitely one thing Trish didn't do - now the rest of us have just got to try and catch up)

This may require a trip to the ol' search engine...but then, I don't want to get spam based on those search terms! Perhaps you could explain!??

OK, here you go:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/co...

*chortle*

It's just like the expression 'going balls out' - also often assumed to be offensive, yet actually referring to steam engines and the balls of the centrifugal governors - the faster the engine runs, the further out the balls spin; if the balls are 'out' the engine is working as hard as it can.

Aha! Very interesting - and I'm of course familiar with other uses of the term 'cock', including cocking a gun, cocking one's hat, and even 'cocking a snook'!

I was not familiar with the centrifugal engine explanation - how interesting! Common use here is 'balls to the wall', which also makes sense in that context.

Ryan wrote: "Hah! No fear of that ;)

I'm just going to hunt down a copy. Is it on the apple store or just Amazon?"

Hi Ryan. I apologize for my delay. It it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. I suppose I should look into the apple store, huh?

Jay wrote: "OK, here you go:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/co...

*chortle*

It's just like the expression 'going balls out' - also often assumed to be offensive, yet actually referring to steam e..."

This is very funny! Thanx for sharing . . .

Ryan wrote: "Hah! No fear of that ;)

I'm just going to hunt down a copy. Is it on the apple store or just Amazon?"

Btw, Ryan - I like your bio. What do you find when looking down those rabbit holes?

Mostly just rabbits. But I'm hopeful...

Thank you for the info, I'll grab a copy of your book shortly. It sounds like just the type of story I like.

As for the Apple store, sometimes it seems like I'm the only person who uses it when I mention it to people. I love it though, it works well for me and my ipad addiction ;)

I find Apple hard to navigate and find what I want when it comes to books; it feels like they're continually trying to divert me into buying apps etc. I loathe coercion, however subtle, and their system definitely ain't subtle.

Do you use the iBookstore from within the ibooks reader itself, Jay? It sounds like you're talking about the iTunes Store rather than the bookstore you access from the top left of the reader. It is simplicity itself with nothing but books divided into all the usual categories plus great collections like 'music bios', 'latest release', '10 books everyone should read', 'classics', etc. there isn't an app in sight (or in site!). I find it leaves amazon for dead as far as ease of use, categories, etc.

Ryan wrote: "Mostly just rabbits. But I'm hopeful...

Thank you for the info, I'll grab a copy of your book shortly. It sounds like just the type of story I like.

As for the Apple store, sometimes it seems lik..."

I am Apple all the way--except for books. I was one of the first to have an iPad -- it's magic, you know . . . but for reading, I use other apps. And I use my Mac desktop (which I call my Big Mac) for writing . . .

Ryan wrote: "Do you use the iBookstore from within the ibooks reader itself, Jay? It sounds like you're talking about the iTunes Store rather than the bookstore you access from the top left of the reader. It i..."

Very possibly - I've only ventured there, wherever there was, twice and felt lost each time.

Elizabeth wrote: "I need a drink..."

I think I just heard Joe, the bartender, asking if there was something on your mind . . .

Yeah, the next order - ale for me, please.

Hey, Jay! How are you?

Fine, thanks - just got all my home jobs done this morning so the rest of the w/e is relaxation :)

How's life for you?

Hey, if you want a good giggle, make sure you've had your own fair share of alcohol when you watch this (she's had a bottle of wine and it's hilarious!).

http://justsomething.co/husband-anima...

I need a drink and a good laugh! Day 25 on the rig, the dreaded fog, and had loads of problems with the internet! I'm buying, triples anyone?