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Gun rights are very important.

guns I feel need to be gone. they serve no purpose in todays society.

In my opinion, if you take away guns from the general public, crime rates will go up. The law abiding citizens will give up their guns, but the people who would use them to steal and murder will still get ahold of them. People would have no defense against intruders if their guns were taken away

I live in australia where guns are bassicaly illigal and while that does happen it only does with big organisation like bike gangs. I am not saying to get rid of guns for police but the price is to high. How many people die because they shoot at the wrong target or people let their kids play with them thinking that they are empty?

Maybe things are different in the U.S because it happens all the time here, people using guns to steal. The police usually can't stop it from happening, and sometimes it's up to the citizens to do it

Deaths coming wrote: "guns I feel need to be gone. they serve no purpose in todays society."

I agree, but the army and law enforcement should keep some... Even though I'm against the army :/

crimes happen in australia but guns are never used because they are so hard to come by. in america I assume you only need the money and you get it. If guns were made illigal what you describe will happen for a couple of years but it will probably die down after a while as police descover where they are hidden.

aleх: тнe evфlυтιфп вegιпѕ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "guns I feel need to be gone. they serve no purpose in todays society."

I agree, but the army and law enforcement should keep some... Even though I'm against the army :/"

THANK YOU!!!!!

Deaths coming wrote: "crimes happen in australia but guns are never used because they are so hard to come by. in america I assume you only need the money and you get it. If guns were made illigal what you describe will ..."

You need money and a permit. But apparently our government doesn't care enough :(

There are restrictions on guns here, you need to have a background check done and everything. Unless you buy it from a place the government isn't tracking, including even if it is just your neighbor. Guns are fairly easy to get ahold of, and I really don't see the use of them in crimes to stop or slow down for decades after guns were removed from the general population

Darth Sneaky Jason The Dead Dragon - Ghost wrote: "There are restrictions on guns here, you need to have a background check done and everything. Unless you buy it from a place the government isn't tracking, including even if it is just your neighbo..."

well guns were removed from the general public here I think about 10-15 years ago? I think any way it happens faster than you would think. after they become harder to come by most criminal would not even bother

Maybe so, but I wouldn't want to be one of the people that was at gunpoint when the crime rates go up for a while

I guess but I feel it is worth it plus most criminal won't shot unless prevoked and as far as I am concerned if their is a gun fight it would kill many

well in australia that dosen't happen and tell me what will having a gun do exactly? by the time they are aware of the person they would exscape or have a gun over their head. my mums cousin had his head blown off from a gun. a guns only purpose is to kill and I would like to get rid of it.

I guess but this is the thing. because guns are so easily availible what happens if a person has enough? and the things your suggest(auductions) WHO LETS THEIR CHILD Walk THE STREETS ALONE!!!!! and you are talking to a person who was nearly aducted him self! I find the fact that kids are learning how to use killing thing even more disgusting. guns have their place and that is not in a home

before you reply thank you for the debate I find it nice to talk to another being with different veiws. by the way I should warn you that I will not back down and to change my veiw will require a lot of effort

Darth Sneaky Jason The Dead Dragon - Ghost wrote: "In my opinion, if you take away guns from the general public, crime rates will go up. The law abiding citizens will give up their guns, but the people who would use them to steal and murder will st..."

Exactly ;)

Explain this one please? You say guns are dangerous and kill people and are just not needed, yet if we look at statistics, more people die of car accidents every year. Tell me, should we take away those evil murdering cars while we're at it?

gladly, cars have other uses they are transport what does a gun do but kill?

They claim taking away guns will result in fewer crimes. How can this be? For by then the only thing done will be they have left the citizen defenseless. And why is that? Because they are good citizens and followed the law. And the criminal? You know, the one that BREAKS the law? Yea, guess what? The criminal broke that law about no guns. So what exactly was the point? If the people they claim they are trying to stop to decrease violence will only break the law since that's what they do, why leave the good person out in the open to die?

Deaths coming wrote: "gladly, cars have other uses they are transport what does a gun do but kill?"

Let's see: protect people, get you food.

I am not going to claim that all guns fights will stop they still happen in australia. But by doing this although I am not sure about crime rates accendential deaths will go down and the commom criminal will most likely not get a gun. school shootings will be decreased by a great deal. you claim that them having a gun will save their lives but if a gun fight breaks out how many will die then? I am using real world examples gun laws in australia were thighten 10-15 years and since them crime has dropped, gang vilence has gone down and so on.

Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "gladly, cars have other uses they are transport what does a gun do but kill?"

Let's see: protect people, get you food."

HOW DOES A GUN PROTECTS PEOPLE?!

It also, of course, goes back to the fact that you can't blame a tool. A gun is a tool. That's like if a whole bunch of people started killing people by punching them. Should we get rid of our hands?? :(

Bringing it back now, the MAIN issue here, because that's what they like to overpass and keep at the violence level here, is that in the United States Bill of Rights it clearly states that all have the right to their guns and it can not be taken away. That's the second amendment. Which means it's pretty important. So I find it funny how the US government can even think about taking guns away when it's against the Bill of Rights. They of all people should know that.

Deaths coming wrote: "Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "gladly, cars have other uses they are transport what does a gun do but kill?"

Let's see: protect people, get you food."

HOW DOES A GUN..."

Do I have to say it all again? Here, put yourself in this situation. Your in your home. Someone comes in. They grab your family and say they'll kill you all. You have a gun. You'll shoot the intruder to protect your family and yourself.

Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "It also, of course, goes back to the fact that you can't blame a tool. A gun is a tool. That's like if a whole bunch of people started killing people by punching them. Should we get rid of our hand..."

a gun is NOT A TOOL!!!! I AM SICK OF THAT BULLSHIT!!!! what other uses does a gun have outside to kill people where as tools are used to BUILD STUFF. and do not mention the bill of rights thats american not the whole world. sorry for wait had something to do

Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "gladly, cars have other uses they are transport what does a gun do but kill?"

Let's see: protect people, get you ..."

he has a gun he has avantage of surprise able to kill you. normal citizen turns to life of crime gets gun from gun store. person who is depressed decides he has enough goes to gun store buys gun kills loads of school kids. is that enough

Deaths coming wrote: "Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "It also, of course, goes back to the fact that you can't blame a tool. A gun is a tool. That's like if a whole bunch of people started killing people by punch..."

No problem, no rush.
What is a flashlight? A tool. It doesn't build. It helps you see.

Deaths coming wrote: "Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "gladly, cars have other uses they are transport what does a gun do but kill..."

You only talk about those dead. What about all the lives that are SAVED because a gun was there? Are those not included?

true but a gun if it is a tool is a tool to kill. sorry if I seemed angry back there I just get tried of hearing the same argument over and over.(why I think we should get rid of the same sex marriage thread)

Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "Caitlyn ~lєt'ร קlคץ ฬเtђ Ŧเгє~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "gladly, cars have other uses they are transport what ..."

how many lives has a gun saved? even if it did it usally involve using it to kill someone. plus when ever a gun saves a life it is ussaly because of another gun put it into a situration of that sort

I am just gonna say that now it seems to have turned into ethics and values. I am and australian so freedom was never that dig a deal to us like americans. I say you dislike the idea of anybody controling anything about you. this will go on forever and it seems that most arguements end like this. if you want I will continue but if you bore of this we can stop.

Deaths coming wrote: "I am just gonna say that now it seems to have turned into ethics and values. I am and australian so freedom was never that dig a deal to us like americans. I say you dislike the idea of anybody con..."

That is correct.

so the way I see it this arguement will continue to go around in circles. my ethics and values are different than your and just as unmoving

another person who "places freedom above all else"? it is not a right in my opinion and I need to go see you all I had fun talking.

Deaths coming wrote: "so the way I see it this arguement will continue to go around in circles. my ethics and values are different than your and just as unmoving"

Correct again ;)

Deaths coming wrote: "another person who "places freedom above all else"? it is not a right in my opinion and I need to go see you all I had fun talking."

Ok bye, and that's what happens when you talk to Americans ;P

true that although got to say nice to see some americans who are nice

Brenda ♥Queen of Aces (Asexuals)♥ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "I am just gonna say that now it seems to have turned into ethics and values. I am and australian so freedom was never that dig a deal to us like americans. I say you dislike t..."

same here. I also has ran into the same except the other way around. although please accept that I may get angry at times so I may say something that could be considered offesive. I usaly am the only run who belives in something and as such I fight furiously.

Brenda ♥Queen of Aces (Asexuals)♥ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "so the way I see it this arguement will continue to go around in circles. my ethics and values are different than your and just as unmoving"

Unless we place it more under the..."

true okay I got a little bit more time so how do we resolve this? because as I said nothing is gonna change either of our veiws

We have enough gun control, we just need idiot control. And guns shouldn't be in the hands of a person who has mental problems.
I think the distribution of CCW licenses should be stricter. I got involved at my local police station and they let me take the CCW test, for fun. I got approved, and would have been able to carry a concealed weapon when I turned 21. HOWEVER, the police did NO brain scan WHATSOEVER.
I myself have Sadistic Personality Disorder, and they could have very well had a HUGE problem on their hands if I were 21.

Stricter is better, yes

aleх: тнe evфlυтιфп вegιпѕ wrote: "Stricter is better, yes"

Way stricter would be best.

How is stricter better, in Sweeden there is hardly any crime and there is almost no restrictions on guns so if I lived in Sweden I could go to a gun store and buy a fully automatic weapon so I don't think guns are the issue heck even in American city's and states that have strict gun control crime if higher because criminals dot get guns the legal way they will buy them on the black market and in my community there was a store that was being robed almost every month and when the owner got a gun and put it so everyone can see it the robberys stopped

Giving a gun to a Sadistic person? NOT a good idea. Even in Sweden.

That's why you have background checks even though they are simple they keep guns out of the hand of bed people and if someone wants to get a gun they will get one through the black market and there have been many instances where people who were able to be raped or murdered are able to stop there attackers, and when seconds are on the line police will be there in minutes.

That is true, which is why i think stricter is better. To keep guns off of the black market.

Legal guns are bought buy law abiding citizens not by criminals and illegal guns will always be available

Exactly, because criminals are criminals. It's what they do. Making stricter laws mean absolutely nothing to them because they don't follow any now.