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1 In Matthew 4:4 we are to live by what came out of the (mouth) of Jesus, that would include the Gospels. St John 12:48 "---the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. Luke said, who traveled with Paul, was on his own without God, that man shall live by every word of God. That would include the entire Bible of Paul without God, the Old testament, and what came out of the mouth of Jesus sanctioned by God His Father.
3 57 (eateth me) 58 (eateth of this bread shall live for ever) 63 "It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh. (reference makes alive) Does this have anything to do with believe, or does Ezekiel 36:26 make more sense? A new heart and a new Spirit I will put inside of you.
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My response: That is NOT what the Bible says. Jesus was QUOTING from Deuteronomy.
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My response: You NEED a new heart and new spirit. Your SELF-PROMOTING, arrogant spirit is NOT from God.
Here is what Jesus said about spiritual birth verses physical birth...
John 3:6-7
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh ; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
If one is truly born again... IT IS SPIRITUAL ... NOT physical.
Would it be to much if I asked you the chapter and verse in Deuteronomy? St John 3:6 "That which is born of THE flesh is flesh: Ezekiel 36:26 "I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. (not spirit it will be flesh as your heart is now)
"And that which is born of THE Spirit (Holy Ghost) is spirit."
Ezekiel 36:27 "And I will put my Spirit (Holy Ghost) WITHIN you. 26 "And a new Spirit will I put within you:
It is spiritual---not physical. Yes that is what Paul said from The Acts -Jude, and the preachers You have to be nice, loving, gratuity, believe, faith, hope, grace, live righteous, don't smoke, drink, or kick the cat, pray all day and night, gratuity some more. If you give $1000 to the preacher which bank account got bigger and which bank account got smaller?
7 Ye must be born again. Nicodemus said like the physical birth of a baby. Jesus never diisputed his reasoning.
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My response: READ THE BIBLE... JESUS SAID THIS...
John 3:6-7
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh ; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
If one is truly born again... IT IS SPIRITUAL ... NOT physical.
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Deu 8:3
I think there is one true Word of God.Joh_1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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John 17:17 - "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
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Mark 7:10-13
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Good point. There are Jesus and his testimony or witness (Rev 1:9, 6:9, 19:13, 20:4).
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
10 Deuteronomy 8:3 Again it says out of the mouth of the Lord. That would be Jesus. What Paul and his disciples said never came out of the (mouth) of Jesus. St Johm 5:43 Paul was on his own and Luke traveled with Paul so why wouldn't he say go by all the Bible Luke 4:4 11 Alan I believe the Word of the Gospels (with flaws because man put the Bible together) was from the beginning of time, but the Word was not made flesh until the time was right. The Word in it's self couldn't speak so in St John 1:14 it was made flesh. The Spirit of Genesis 1:2, were the father of Jesus, and not the Holy Ghost as it reads in some Bibles in St Matthew 1:18
12 The Old Testament for all accounts and purposes ended with John the Baptist. St John 11:13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied (revelations of God) until John. You would think it would read Jesus. Leviticus and the sacrifices ended to achieve God's righteousness. For this dispensation we are under what Jesus said, and His sacrificing of His life, giving us the Holy Ghost on His return, for the righteousness of God. St John 16:7
13 It sounds like the way it is today they just make it up as they go along, that is why it reads "few will find the way" and "as the days of Noah were so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." St Matthew 24:37 and 22:29 and 7:14 "making the Word of God of none effect.
13 Alan, if I get your drift you are saying if you lose your head you can live with God in His kingdom. What about those that don't lose their head? (He is lord of all:) What that could mean is He is lord of all. Those in the bar, atheist, Buda, Islam, Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Lutheran, Methodist, Foursquare, and Morman, do you get my drift. Yes God created the earth so He is Lord of all, but that is as far as it gets, Isaiah 14:13 It is Lucifer that is in all the churches.
Salvation is an individual accomplishment to live with God in His kingdom, such as drawn, chosen, born again, and received the Holy Ghost, As Roberts verse 13 said "making the word of God of none effect" like grace, hope, faith, family, money, believe, love, let go life, and contempory gospel. Can you believe the "Shack' sold 20,000,000 million copies? I am forced to listen on T V the author's rendition at least once a week, and I have never heard him quote one verse from the Bible.
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Salvation was accomplished BY an individual... JESUS CHRIST...
Mickey offers a FALSE salvation by a FALSE christ... like those that Jesus WARNED about...
I'm not planning on losing my head. (Rev 20:4) If it comes to that so be it. I do plan to be with Jesus forever.
15 Robert that is what I hear the preachers say now days is, when Jesus was crucified He went to hell, for mankinds sicknesses, and sins, all you have to do is kink back and order Pizza. It is the biggest lie that is being told at the moment, and that is what it reads in St John 5:44. "How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not honor (salvation) that cometh from God only? What is needed is to be baptized with the Holy Ghost St Matthew 3:11 If a person doesn't receive the Holy Ghost in the mouth, after they have already had their heart removed, and "exchanged" there is no hope. Ezekiel 36:26-27 St John 3:3-5 St Matthew 3:16 and St Matthew 20:23
Paul said go by what we tell you, every body else is chopped liver, and that includes Jesus He was only the Son of God that created the heavens and the earth.
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My response: You are insane... Jesus demanded SPIRITUAL re-birth... you LIE and demand PHYSICAL heart transplant.
But of course, you claim to be Elijah... while Jesus TELLS US that John the Baptist was Elijah.
We CANNOT believe even ONE WORD you say.
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YOU are the one who TRASHES Jesus and His Word.
But of course, you claim to be Elijah... while Jesus TELLS US that John the Baptist was Elijah.
What about Billy Graham? Next to Paul I believe he has sent more people to hell. as any one. His scripture which he used few (if you listen to him,) was St John 3:16. It is a play on the 15th verse, sombody tried to help Jesus out. Yes Jesus died not because He loved mankind but it was for the righteousness of God His Father. In Genesis 6:6 it grieved God in His heart that He had made man on the earth. Billy said then, all you have to do is believe, that is what it says, and a person should have everlasting life. There is a lot of difference between SHOULD and SHALL, in the Bible, shall leaves no doubt it will happen. If it was true that 'believe' is all there is to salvation, shall would have been used. St Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall (no doubt) be hated of ALL men for my name's sake, but he that endureth to the end shall (no doubt) be saved. One or more years Billy was named the most admired man in the United States. Billy's photograph has been taken with prsidents, kings, queens, and preaching (the one liners) with every way possible for the times. He liked to use (I am the way) and that was as far as it gets. He was so forceful I believe he was trying to convince himself he was right.
Paul Croutch asked Billy, do you regret any thing? Billy said that he would have liked to have read the Bible more. The problem is God set it up that only those that are reedemed will understand redemption. St Matthew 11:25 13:11 and 13:16; "16 But blessed are your eyes for they see; and your ears for they hear."
14 "---By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive; 15 "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, LEST AT ANY TIME THEY SHOULD (POSSIBILITY) SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND SHOULD (POSSIBILITY) BE CONVERTED, AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM." Sorry to say (should) is used because there are two other main things, you must be drawn and one of the chosen. It reads many are called but few chosen. St Matthew 20:16 chosen and St John 6:44 drawn 15:16 "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you,---"
There is more to redemption then kicking back and ordering pizza.
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My response: What a HERETIC you are...
...you are DELUSIONAL and think you are Elijah (even though Jesus said that was John the Baptist)...
...you preach a FALSE gospel ... and you dare to bad-mouth Paul and Billy Graham.
Well at least you have exposed yourself for who you serve... the god of this world.
Don't be bad mouthing Billy Graham. Even though he ain't perfect
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Amen Rod. No one is perfect, but God used Billy Graham to preach the true Gospel to millions.
Definitely an all-time low for Mickey... absolutely despicable. Woe to you Mickey...
Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.” Psalm 105:15
“Who can lay a hand on the Lord’s anointed and be guiltless?” 1 Samuel 26:9
And while we are talking about leading people astray, think about this one.
“Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 So watch yourselves.” Luke 17:1-3
I would not want to be you on judgment day!
WOW. I hardly know where to begin. You see, I've been a born-again Christian since Nov. 24, 1973. And although I love Jesus with all my heart, I am deeply saddened by the lack of commonsense thinking and spiritual maturity among so many Christians. I know this is because of religious indoctrination and I see plenty of that in the answers to Robert's original question.First off, I notice that after Robert quotes Mt 4:4 he then asks a disingenuous question about whether Jesus was talking about the Bible, "SOME people say this is not speaking of the Bible..." Of course, Robert already knows the answer... the Bible is the only word of God for all "true" Christians. Any minute now someone else may arrive and quote Romans 10:17 "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God"... and all Christians within the religion of Christianity are taught from their Sunday school days that this "Word of God" is the Bible.
But there are few problems which God made known to me as I studied and questioned over the years. First, Abraham we are told is one of the giants of faith. Only problem is that Abraham lived 400 years before Moses... yes, that Moses who put pen to parchment scroll and began to write the first five books of the Old Testament (or more accurately the Pentateuch or Torah). So, since there was no Bible, not even an Old Testament, where did Abraham's faith come from?
Let me begin by saying I believe the Bible contains the word of God... the written word of God. There is a measure of faith we can get from reading the Bible, but REAL faith comes directly from God, by God's Holy Spirit. We also know that Abraham talked to God. In other words, Abraham didn't live by bread alone, but by every WORD he received directly from the "mouth" of his heavenly Father.
Jesus also talked directly with His heavenly Father. He said the words He spoke were the words He received from His Father. According to Jesus Christ, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works." (John 14:10).
So, there is the written word of God and there is the direct, living Spirit Word of God, which is received directly from the Father. Most of Christianity teaches us that during the days of the Apostles, God had to speak to them directly, because there was no Bible, but now that we have the Bible, God chooses to speak to us through it. That's a lie.
Worse, it denies what Jesus told us. When Jesus was about to be crucified He told His disciples that God would be sending through Him the "Spirit of Truth", i.e. the Holy Spirit, and, "when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come." (John 16:13). This "Truth" is of course, God's Word, as is made clear in John 17:17, "Sanctify them by your Truth. Your Word is truth." And since every true believer understands the necessity of the infilling of the Holy Spirit, this guidance into the truth of God's Word continues to this day, both through the written word and through the direct receipt of God's living Spirit Word. And these two are in alignment, they reinforce one another, because the truth is the truth, whether it comes from the Bible or directly from God.
The Apostles were told by Jesus that they were his true disciples only if they chose to, "Continue in My Word." What word was that? The Bible? NO, because the New Testament was not yet written. Jesus was telling them to do as He did, talk to the Father and receive God's living Spirit Word (remember, Jesus said, "The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.").
Now what does the Bible say about this "letter" word, this written word of God? Does it ever say of itself, "The Bible (or even "The New Testament") is Spirit and life"? It can't, for that would not be true. Yes, the bible is absolutely inspired, It is useful for "Instruction in righteousness, reproof and doctrine" as it says in Timothy, but those things are NOT Spirit and Life! They are about how we live, how we think of God and how we relate to one another as brothers and sisters in Christ, all very important of course... but everything in the Bible is meant to get us to talk to God and receive God's LIFE and POWER... neither of which is in the letters of the Bible. If you doubt this, read 2 Corinthians 3:5-6, "God... hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."
After the certainty of my rebirth and total renewal through Christ Jesus, there is one other thing about which I am absolutely certain: the reason Christianity has divided itself into more than 33,800 denominations is because Christians fail to understand the difference between the written word of God and the Living Spirit Word of God. When the Spirit of God is present there is no disunity over doctrinal differences. I can say this with absolute certainty because both my experience and the scriptures declare it.
Ephesians 4:3 talks about "The unity of the Spirit" and I experienced this in several miraculous ways with two groups of Christians. In both instances we were living together in Christian community.
In the first instance, I was asked to help teach this new community, some of whose members I helped lead to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. There were however, some disagreement as to the direction of the community... how we would serve others and how the community buildings would be used. The couple who owned the farm had one idea and some another. When we began to pray about this I felt I should tell them what to do, but God soon let me know that wasn't His way. Everyone but me came out of prayer quickly. I didn't because God had made me immobile and unable to speak. So I sat there and did the only thing I could do, I continued to pray. Soon, the others began to be convicted about their quick decision and thought they should join me and continue praying. The miracle was that everyone came out of that prayer time in 100% agreement, with 100% certainty about what we should do. I can tell you this, that experience was quite humbling... and for more than just me. My fiance, unbeknownst to me, had sided with the other faction and had talked behind my back against me. When I got up and walked into the other room to stoke the fire, my fiance came running in, dropped to her knees and began crying, confessing her lack of trust in me and asking forgiveness.
In the second instance, there were four of us who founded the Northwood Christian Community. We got together in the evening, as we often did, to pray together. During this one prayertime each of us became overwhelmed by God's Power, so much so that we each began to shake. So we held onto one another and it helped to make the shaking harmonious and less stressful. It was in the midst of this shaking prayer time that God spoke directly to all of us at once. The two men were directed to go visit a couple, the two women were to stay, and during this entire process of getting our shoes, getting into the car and the women knowing where we were going and why, not one word was spoken by any of us. We just knew... with zero doubt.
After driving for about 5 minutes, Joe said to me, "This has got to be God... I would never wake someone at 2am otherwise". We arrived at the couples converted school bus and knocked on the door. The lights came on, the door opened and the guy gruffly said, "What do you want?" I said, "The only thing we know is that God sent us." Immediately he dropped to his knees and began to weep. Between sobs he told us that he and his girlfriend had the worst fight of their life, and feeling remorseful he said to God, "If you're real, you'll send someone to help us". That night we led both of them to forsake sin and receive Jesus Christ into their heart.
I agree Leroy. We cannot have just “head knowledge” of the Bible, but “heart knowledge” of God’s Words as well. The Bible is living and powerful. It is relevant to every situation and circumstance. But there has to be open communication with our intimate savior, so that we can also hear His Words spoken directly to us.
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My response: this is a POST-MODERN LIE and LOWERS the value of the Word of God, the Bible.
Here is what God has to say about this...
Acts 17:11 - These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily , whether those things were so.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine , for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works .
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So if Christians today want to be mature and completely enabled unto all good works... if they want sound doctrine...
IT COMES VIA THE SCRIPTURES ACCORDING TO GOD !
I cannot tell you how many times so-called Christians claim to be led by the Holy Spirit... in diametric OPPOSITION to the Bible.
We certainly can be led by the Holy Spirit... but if this leading is contrary to the Bible... it is NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT!
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My response: The phrase " It is written " is used more than 60 times in the New Testament. Many by Jesus Himself. It is sheer folly to question or LESSEN the value of the Scriptures.
Just to be clear (regarding my previous post). I believe we should daily seek God both through reading His Word (The Bible) AND having open communication by prayer to seek Him and His will, and taking time to meditate on His written Word, and listen for His spoken Word - (which can be the gentle nudging of the Holy Spirit, something we read in the scripture that speaks to us, or sometimes, very literally the voice of God).
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My response: I agree. But for further clarification...
If you are praying and believe the Holy Spirit is telling you something... and that which is being said contradicts the Bible...
Which one is right?
Always the Bible. If what we are hearing is contradictory to the Bible, it is not from God. That is how we test what we hear or “feel”.
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Great! We are in agreement! Thanks for the clarification.
One of the ones that I hear somewhat regularly, is that the Holy Spirit is leading a believer to date an unbeliever... but God's Word commands that they not to do so!
Can I say something? 26 Leroy and Robert mentions the Holy Spirit a lot, it is realy the Holy Ghost, and the Christian family of churches, according to Leroy is more then 33,800 denominations, not a one, knows how a person gets the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. When Jesus were baptized by John the Baptist coming out of the water, His mouth was open for His first breath and the Holy Ghost, a small blob as a dove it reads, went in His mouth and down His throat. St Matthew 3:16 It never "lighting on Him" as it reads. The false preachers will tell you, you get the Spirit when the false preachers pray the sinners's prayer for you. What do you mean it goes inside your body? St John 14: (For only those that can read) 17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it (seeth) him not," St John 3:3 "Except a man be born again he cannot (see) the kingdom of God." ( or any part of God) "neither knoweth him: but Mickey know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." inside of you, St Matthew 20:23 Ye shall drink indeed (no doubt) of my cup, (It will go down through your mouth and be with you forever) and be baptized with the (same) baptism that I am baptized with: 22 Reads we are able to be bapized with the same baptism as you-all are, if your from the bible belt. Now you is got the spirit, except it won't dwell in an unclean body, That is a subject for another day, or do you want it now. A person must be born again first, the beginning of being clean, but I took a shower bath, after I came home from church.
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My response: The real question is "Can you say something worth listening to?"
You call Jesus a liar and claim you are Elijah... but Jesus TOLD US who was Elijah... and that was John the Baptist.
So why would any Christian listen to someone who calls Jesus a liar... like you do?
Robert it seems like to me you can't read. St Matthew 17:11 Jesus said Elijah truly shall (first) come, and restore all things. First come means before Jesus comes back the second time. This is the same as Malachi 4:5. BUT we have verse 12 that Elijah is come already. It was the disciples that said they understood that He spake of John the Baptist. So we have one unfortunate verse, and there are a lot of unfortunate verses even in the K J B of 1611. I hate to think of most all the heavy preachers has their own bible now days. I believe what Jesus said as in St John 5:43"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: If another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." or believe. So you can throw half the New Testament out the window. Receive is something given or sent as from above as John said St John 3:27 now we are back to see if you can read.
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My response: It is Mickey who cannot read...
Matthew 17:11-13
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist .
Jesus spoke of John the Baptist ... NOT Mickey the delusional!
That is true some Bibles have Elias instead of Elijah but the K J B of 1611 has Elijah. I like Elias better it seperates the Elijah of old. It showes that the infallable Bible is fallible that the preachers wave around. We found something that we agree on. In the end it isn't going to make a difference, that is the sad part. In Genesis there were two trees, I was given the Tree of Life, and according to Revelation I'm not going to die but reigned with Jesus a thousand years. 20:6 2:7 "To him that overcometh (from the false doctrines) will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." What do you think of that.
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My response: Who cares what you "LIKE" it is the original language word that matters...
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It is Mickey who cannot read...
Matthew 17:11-13
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist .
Jesus spoke of John the Baptist ... NOT Mickey the delusional!
39 Robert about once a week the author of "The Shack" is on the T V, and he said that he sold 20, 000,000 million copies, and I have yet heard him quote one scripture from the Bible. Is this the Gospel that your cohorts are braging about?
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My response: Are you insane? I don't even know who wrote the shack... I do know who wrote the Bible.
Too bad you REJECT God and His Word.
Jesus says that we MUST LIVE BY EVERY WORD FROM GOD . What does this statement imply?
1) That we KNOW what these " WORDS " from God are.
2) That we NEED to LIVE by these " WORDS " from God.
So, what are these " WORDS " that Jesus is speaking of? What are the " WORDS FROM GOD "?
(Some people say this is NOT speaking of the Bible, what do you think?)
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