Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people." - Theodore Roosevelt


Government, as we all know, is the system by which people, states or countries are governed.

Here’s an alternative definition that’s popular with conspiracy theorists: Government is a system certain nefarious people and organizations can hide behind and achieve even more than they could if legitimately elected to office. These immoral parties include unelected officials and secret societies who are collectively known in some circles as the Invisible Government.

It’s quite possible there’s an Invisible Government operating in America today with some unknown entity pulling the strings of elected politicians and officials – in which case the Government that’s portrayed in the media is just a front for some shadowy group.

If it’s conceivable the Invisible Government is controlling, or at least has influence over, the banking system, the media and radical science, then why couldn’t it have influence over the President, too?

There are also theories that there are 40 levels in US intelligence above top secret, of which the President only has clearance to about Level 20. No such theories have ever been proven, however.

We realize there are a lot of what ifs in our analysis, but it’s important to remember we are dealing with 50 shades of subtlety when it comes to trying to ascertain how the world really operates. Those shadowy groups, secret societies and faceless people pulling strings in the financial, military, scientific, medical, industrial and political sectors don’t take out front page newspaper ads to advertise their agendas or their modus operandi.

So it’s up to us, average Jo Citizen, to read between the lines, think outside the square and question everything we’re told.

If you think we’re scaremongering, cast your eye over the quotations scattered throughout the posts in this "Above the President" section and, indeed, throughout The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy – from JFK in particular – warning of secret societies and the like.



“There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.” –Daniel K. Inouye, US Senator from Hawaii. Testimony given to the Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Opposition (Iran-Contra hearings) in 1987.

In today's news:

"Just 62 people own as much as the poorest half of the world's population put together, according to a report by Oxfam.
The finding has sparked calls for urgent action to tackle the mounting "inequality crisis"."

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/wor...

Harry wrote: "In today's news:

"Just 62 people own as much as the poorest half of the world's population put together, according to a report by Oxfam.
The finding has sparked calls for urgent action to tackle t..."

how can 62 people own as much as 3.5 billion people?
staggering!

I'd love to learn more about this.

By the way, when those of us who 'attack the rich' do so, this is the sort of thing we're talking about: the high level 1%. Often that issue gets confused, I find. So this latest story is a good example.
It's great to see that this issue is being put out there by Oxfam.
Charities always know better than governments, don't they.

Charities like Oxfam and human rights organizations like Amnesty International should replace our inept, elitist politicians, I say.

James Morcan wrote: "Charities like Oxfam and human rights organizations like Amnesty International should replace our inept, elitist politicians, I say."

Yep. Agreed. They've already got the infrastructure in place.

All that needs to happen is people must realize changes in society can come about outside of politics. We have been brainwashed into thinking the only way change can ever occur is to petition these elitist politicians who supposedly represent the common people. It's pure BS.

Harry wrote: "By the way, when those of us who 'attack the rich' do so, this is the sort of thing we're talking about: the high level 1%. Often that issue gets confused, I find. So this latest story is a good ex..."

you make a very good point - it's not about attacking the rich, it's about highlighting the issue of those who consistently dominate the poor around the world with a relentless greed...It's the likes of elite banking families of this world, not those who succeed in making a million or two from hard work.

Exactly.

James Morcan wrote: "Charities like Oxfam and human rights organizations like Amnesty International should replace our inept, elitist politicians, I say."

Be wary of Amnesty Int James, i used to have a lot of respect for them until recently, the HQ is in DC, they have been caught recently in using incidents in Syria, Iraq and re the Rohingya Muslims, incidents that were not as they protrayed them.
OXFAM is good, but Amnesty is beggining to be "tainted"!!

John wrote: "James Morcan wrote: "Charities like Oxfam and human rights organizations like Amnesty International should replace our inept, elitist politicians, I say."

Be wary of Amnesty Int James, i used to h..."

That's news to me John. Any links to stories that you know of? I always thought Amnesty were great.

I guess any organization can become tainted...especially in the field of geopolitics.

James Morcan wrote: "I guess any organization can become tainted...especially in the field of geopolitics."

Too true!

Maybe even this group. ;)

Never.
(I say as I quickly hide the Bilderberg cheques...)

Was this situation that we're in inevitable when the monetary system as we know it first came into use? Is there a specific point in time when humanity fell into a well that it couldn't get itself out of? It seems like this 'free-market economy' that we're in was a bad idea from the very beginning. I wonder how different things would be if we were to use cacao beans as currency.

Anakin wrote: "Was this situation that we're in inevitable when the monetary system as we know it first came into use? Is there a point in time where humanity took the wrong turn? I wonder how different things wo..."

Hard to say.
Some believe it's when currencies went off the Gold Standard (including in the US from Nixon's administration onwards if memory serves me right) and money lost a clear value as it wasn't pegged to gold or anything else.
Others say it bankers were creating money out of thin air from centuries back.
And other researchers go as far back as the Babylon and speak of a vast finance conspiracy dating that far back... like this book, for example: Babylon's Banksters: The Alchemy of Deep Physics, High Finance and Ancient Religion.

So in short, it's hard to say in my opinion when it all began or what we are specifically up against with the monetary system.

What's your gut feeling, Anakin?

James Morcan wrote: "Anakin wrote: "Was this situation that we're in inevitable when the monetary system as we know it first came into use? Is there a point in time where humanity took the wrong turn? I wonder how diff..."

That is all the more interesting. Of those three hypothesis that you just presented, I would have to go with the banker theory. Other than that, like you said, it is hard, if not impossible, to determine the true origin --if there even is a direct origin to begin with.

Yeah it could also be there was no grand, overarching plan or malicious conspiracy but simply it's the way the whole monetary machine developed over time.

However, my gut instinct tells me it mostly designed this way centuries ago and the position we find ourselves in now is not by accident...

James Morcan wrote: "Yeah it could also be there was no grand, overarching plan or malicious conspiracy but simply it's the way the whole monetary machine developed over time.

However, my gut instinct tells me it most..."

There are many reasons to believe that, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHxGQ...

How the Secret Government works : The Most Explosive Expose by Dr.Steven Greer

“A puppet is free as long as he loves his strings.” ―Sam Harris, Free Will

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
―George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four

The Invisible Government



The Submerged State: How Invisible Government Policies Undermine American Democracy

Our Invisible Government
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/our...
"There are two forms of government in the United States. There is the visible government—the White House, Congress, the courts, state legislatures and governorships—and the invisible government, or deep state, where anonymous technocrats, intelligence operatives, generals, bankers, corporations and lobbyists manage foreign and domestic policy regardless of which political party holds a majority."

About the author: Chris Hedges is a Truthdig columnist, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and foreign correspondent, a New York Times best-selling author, and a professor in the college degree program offered to New Jersey state prisoners by Rutgers University,