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"The French poet Charles Baudelaire once declared: ‘What is art? Prostitution.’ Throughout history, artists have used prostitutes as models and muses for their artwork. While this long practice has in the past been an ignored fact, some artists choose to imply or even outright declare who the subject of their work is."

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/fra...

Olympia
Édouard Manet
1863

"Manet wasn’t shy about Olympia’s profession. Olympia is explicitly a prostitute; the orchid in her hair, her black neck ribbon and the black cat at her bed are all implicit symbols of her status – even her name was associated with prostitutes. When first shown in 1865 at the Paris Salon, it caused an uproar. Parisians weren’t fazed by the nudity – it was Olympia’s cold, brazenly direct stare, the apathy set in her face, her un-voluptuous body, and her disregard to the bouquet held by her servant that scandalized them. An antithesis to Titian’s sensual and enticing Venus of Urbino, Manet’s Olympia confronts us with the stark reality of a woman prostituting herself. In a twist on Manet’s part, the model for Olympia wasn’t a prostitute at all (she was Victorine-Louise Meurent, a painter in her own right and a model favored by many artists of the time)."

(Rousse) La Toilette
Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec
1889

"Toulouse-Lautrec was fascinated by prostitutes. He frequented the Moulin Rouge and the brothels in and about Montmartre, and he never forgot to bring his paper and materials with him. Much like Manet, he neither sexualizes nor condemns prostitutes, and instead gives a rare glimpse into their everyday lives. Toulouse-Lautrec produced a whole series of pastels on the relationships he witnessed between prostitutes, sympathetically portraying their companionship – and implied lesbianism – without fetishizing their intimate moments. Le Toilette was painted sometime after his pastel series; the woman, Carmen Gaudin, was a favorite model of his. Carmen was a laundress but she prostituted herself to make ends meet. Lautrec makes allusions to this and her activities, with her overall lack of clothes apart from one loose black stocking. Like in many of Lautrec’s pieces, he captures the quiet intimacy of her routine, an almost vulnerable ‘key-hole’ peek into her life."

Sien with a Cigarette, Sitting on the Floor Beside the Fireplace
Vincent van Gogh
1882

"When you think of Vincent van Gogh, prostitutes are probably the furthest subjects that pop into mind. His infamous self-portraits, the sunflowers or even a starry night sky are iconic to his oeuvre, yet van Gogh did paint prostitutes. (Indeed, after his now infamous ear-chopping incident, he handed the wrapped up severed remains of his ear to a prostitute.) As a young man, he produced a series of sketches on Clasina Maria Hoornik, or Sien. When he first met her, Sien was pregnant and destitute. He took her in – much to the shock of his family – and sketched her, her daughter and later the baby boy she had over the two years or so they spent together. Sien is unabashed under van Gogh’s scrutiny, either in her nakedness, feeding her child or even just smoking. It’s no wonder then that van Gogh’s personal favorite was a sketch called Sorrow, which remains popular to this day. Sien’s somberness is well documented in these very early drawings."

Rolla
Henri Gervex
1878

"Much of Gervex’s early work was based on myth and stories, which were more often than not just an excuse to paint nude women. Rolla is no exception. He was well liked by the Salon de Paris, but they savagely rejected Rolla on the grounds of it being ‘immoral.’ However, the resulting scandal meant that when the painting was finally exhibited a short while later, crowds rushed to see it. Gervex’s inspiration for the painting was a poem by Alfred de Musset – in this scene, the young hedonist Rolla is implied to have had sex with the teenage prostitute, Marie. Like many paintings of the late 19th century, her status as a prostitute is strongly alluded to with her undone corset and clothes, while in probably the best innuendo and allusion to sex in art history, Rolla’s cane emerges out from her discarded clothes."

Les Demoiselles D’Avignon
Pablo Picasso
1907

"Allegedly, when Picasso first heard about the shocked reaction of the public to Matisse’s Le Bonheur de Vivre, with its then avant-garde aesthetic, his first thought was to outdo his rival. In 1907, he did just that. Even before the public saw it (years later, in 1916), not many of Picasso’s fellow artists liked it. Matisse, apparently, was enraged by it and called it, ‘a bad joke.’ Much like Lautrec and Manet before him, Picasso’s Les Demoiselles was less about titillation, but unlike their work, Les Demoiselles is so aggressively confrontational. The women are stripped down into 2D disjointed shapes, uncomfortably angular and devoid of traditional associations of femininity and beauty that it’s almost uncomfortable to look at them. Stylistically, Les Demosielles was influenced by Picasso’s interest in ‘Primitive’ art; three of the women’s faces are likely to be inspired by Iberian and African masks exhibited in Paris at the time."

Grande Odalisque
Jean Auguste Dominque Ingres
1814

"Odalisque is actually a loanword – it came from the Turkish word odalık, originally meaning a chambermaid. In the west, the word has come to solely mean a harem concubine. In a running theme for this list, Grande Odalisque by Ingres wasn’t received very well when it was first shown. But less so for its subject and more because of the exaggerated and anatomically wrong proportions of the concubine. Her long limbs and neck, small head, tiny waist but large torso were widely criticized; her pose has since been proven to be completely impossible for any real woman to do. Ingres’ purposeful disregard of anatomy was meant to show sensuality through her ‘curviness,’ further propped up by her plush and opulent surroundings."

Carolina/Carolina
Alberto Giacometti
1961

"Alberto Giacometti came to define the existential post-war years of art with his thin, stick-like statues of men and women. Their whittled-down appearance made them seem far away and distant, but still human. There were many women who sat as models for Giacometti and his statues. For a long time, his favorite model was his wife, Annette. Then Giacometti met Caroline – real name Yvonne Poiraudeau – a Parisian prostitute who he may or may not have been completely infatuated with. (Annette wasn’t happy, either way). Infatuation or not, Giacometti was fascinated by Caroline and her life, and he often funded her lifestyle. In his last years, all his work focused solely on depicting her. A draftsman as well, Giacometti made a few paintings of Caroline. In all three of them, he paints her in his usual simple, sketch-like style but her face is detailed, drawing the viewer’s attention. In particular, her eyes are wide and gaze out at the spectator as if returning their own open stare. Famously, on one of them, Caroline stubbed out her cigarette while Giacometti was still painting it. The burn stain is still there to this day."

The ‘Black-Haired’ Girls
Egon Schiele
1911

"Egon Schiele loved women. If Lautrec depicted prostitutes in their quiet, intimate moments, then Schiele drew all manner of women at their most erotic and open moments. But like Lautrec, Schiele viewed these women not through the male gaze but as they were, and so much of his work comes out as empowering: women are shown confident in their sexuality and desires. He was also not shy about this love. It got him into trouble on one or more occasion when he showed his sketches to pretty much anyone he could – including young girls. One of his many scandals was the Black-Haired Girls – a pair of teenage prostitutes. In most of the paintings and sketches of the pair, Schiele is explicit in the both their nudity and age; neither girls, for example, are drawn without much pubic hair, if at all. In Black-Haired Girl Lifting Skirt, he draws our attention to her exposed crotch with a bright burst of red color – typical in many of his explicit artworks – forcing us to acknowledge her exposed nakedness. Her pose and expressions are almost grotesque in how contorted they are. If such drawings can today be considered straddling the line between art and pornography, you can imagine the scandal they caused back in the early 20th century."

Heather wrote: "Grande Odalisque
Jean Auguste Dominque Ignes
1814

"Odalisque is actually a loanword – it came from the Turkish word odalık, originally meaning a chambermaid. In the west, the word has come to sole..."

Typo in the name, Heather (Ingres)

Nice theme ;-)
Do you mind if I add some?

Not at all, Dirk. Anyone can add whatever they feel fits the subject of the thread.

Oh and, duh, I should have caught that typo. I copied and pasted from the site, they are the ones who wrote that. Lol I’ll fix it. Thank you.

I thought so, but it's also wrong in the text itself:
"Grande Odalisque by Ignes wasn’t received very well"

Good to know!
So let’s add some pics ;-)

Henri Matisse
(1869 - 1954)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_M...

And how about this beautiful girl?

François Boucher
(1703 - 1770)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3...



Portrait of Marie-Louise O'Murphy

No harm in posting another pretty lady ;-)

Marià Josep Maria Bernat Fortuny i Marsal (Mariano Fortuny)
(1838 - 1874)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marià_F...



Carmen Bastiàn

And how about this one?

Guillaume Seignac
(1870 - 1924)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillau...





Jeune femme nue sur un canapé

still from "Fresh Acconci" by performance art duo Paul McCarthy and Mike Kelley. 1995.

My performance art teacher showed some segments from this film saying that Kelley and McCarthy used some known porn stars and San Fernando Valley locations used by old porn films to recreate various segments from the works of Vito Acconci one of the early and most notable video artists in the 1970s. (Rosalind Krauss, for example, in her essays on the "aesthetics of narcissism" in early video art speaks of Acconci at length. )

The website this still came from (http://www.newmedia-art.org) describes it like this:

Chez McCarthy et son complice, cette esthétique de la séduction vire au trivial : les performances de Vito Acconci sont en effet rejouées par des acteurs pornographiques. On est bien sûr à l'opposé de l'usage asexué de la nudité dans les années 70, Acconci se mettant en scène sans apprêt. L'esthétique des corps, les décors de chambre avec un feu de cheminée, l'éclairage délicat des chairs de Fresh Acconci renvoient explicitement au porno soft, éclipsant le propos d'origine. Pour McCarthy "In Fresh Acconci, the New York art scene is sandwiched with Hollywood. Two kinds of aesthetics overlap” (" Dans Fresh Acconci, la scène artistique de New York est prise en sandwich avec Hollywood. Deux esthétiques se juxtaposent. ")*.

Les différentes séquences renvoient spécifiquement à 4 performances: Claim ex-cerpts 1971, Contacts 1971, Focal point 1971, Pryings 1971, et les libertés de mises en scène en évoquent d'autres comme Three Relationship Studies, 1970.

This video is over twenty years old now... but apart from Jeff Koons' post-modern portraits of Cicciolina or Allen Jones pop art furniture crafted from mannequins, it seems like "Fresh Acconci" most consciously encapsulates the spirit of this thread in contemporary art.

Dirk wrote: "And how about this one?

Guillaume Seignac
(1870 - 1924)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillau...

I really like this one! The sweetness of the setting - & her hair- yet her eyes are so knowing.

Very powerful.





Jeune femme nue sur un canapé"

Heather wrote: "Sien with a Cigarette, Sitting on the Floor Beside the Fireplace
Vincent van Gogh
1882

"When you think of Vincent van Gogh, prostitutes are probably the furthest subjects that pop into mind. His i..."

I've never seen this one of van Gogh. Interesting. Real.

Le moulage (moulding)- Felicien Rops

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9...

I love Felicien Rops though this reminds me of a few gallery shows I have been to. Specifically when I was in Prague I went to the Mucha Museum and there were many photographs of Mucha's studio practice that in many ways fascinated me even more than his actual prints. Here is one example showing one of his models:

Thank you Dirk and Stuart for adding to this subject. I think all of your posts are interesting and some new to me. As always, I appreciate when my mind is opened a bit more to art with which I Am not already acquainted.