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message 1: by Clark (last edited Jan 08, 2019 08:07AM) (new)

Clark Wilson | 154 comments Mod
See https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group...

Here is my first attempt at a question. Let's see how it flies.

The rule for "shared inquiry" is that the question posed should be an open question for the one posing it. The following is a question I personally have after reading Book 1.

A lot of Book 1 is about the interaction between Socrates and Thrasymachus. The interactions and the relationship between them change as the narrative proceeds. Also, the surrounding group gets involved at some points in the narrative.

So, to what degree and in what precise ways do Socrates, Thrasymachus, and the group act out the struggle to rule a polis, as the struggle is described in the arguments? Is the discussion group a little polis, and if so who takes over the polis, and how? Because this is "shared inquiry" we'd be quoting the text to make our points. (A "polis" is a political community.)


message 2: by Clark (last edited Jan 08, 2019 06:12PM) (new)

Clark Wilson | 154 comments Mod
Near the very beginning it seems to me there arises the topic of coercion by the physically stronger vs. reasonable speech. Coercion (though jocular) wins. The coercers simply refuse to listen to speech.

Polemarchus said to me: I perceive, Socrates, that you and your companion are already on your way to the city.

You are not far wrong, I said.

But do you see, he rejoined, how many we are?

Of course.

And are you stronger than all these? for if not, you will have to remain where you are.

May there not be the alternative, I said, that we may persuade you to let us go?

But can you persuade us, if we refuse to listen to you? he said.

Certainly not, replied Glaucon.

Then we are not going to listen; of that you may be assured.


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Clark Wilson | 154 comments Mod
And, actually, before that, the servant physically grabs Socrates's cloak.


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Clark Wilson | 154 comments Mod
What I am exploring is this: It seems to me that Book I is not just a discussion but also a drama, a play, a scene from a play, and that the narrative of the scene or play acts out parts of the discussion. So my question is -- does the text support my idea? If so, in what exact ways (based on text quotations) does the scene/drama narrative mirror or act out the arguments made in the discussion?


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