Harry Potter discussion

Because it would be the forbidden love of the century, guys. You just don't understand us Dramione fans.

Well, I'm not a Draco fan to start with. But Hermione and Draco? Personally, I can't see it, whatsoever. Look at Draco's attitude towards Muggle-borns. Why would Hermione choose to be with someone who felt that way? That's just my opinion, though.

I agree. I don't think it would make sense. Draco is rude and he fought for Voldemort. Hermione is kind, etc.

I actually like Dramione, but I'm not sure why, I kinda just like the idea, but Romione will always be my favorite.

How is this even a thing? Draco and Hermione barely have anything to do with each other.

I think it is the idea of a good girl with a bad boy that attracts people. I will admit that the idea does appeal to me...but in a non-cliche way, which Dramione definitely comes across as. It is the idea that Hermione, who is always in her studies and is so smart that she never takes a break, could be seduced by the bad boy who is actually misunderstood, Draco. It is sexy. The combination of Gryffindor and Slytherin adds to the appeal too I believe. But these are just my interpretations.
I agree with Ria in that I do not like shipping. Not only does it worship a work WAY too much but it takes away the authenticity of a work and makes it look silly.
And just to add, I love Ron and Hermione together and feel on a relationship level and a literary level they go together perfectly.
In conclusion, the reality is that Dramione is to Harry Potter as Fifty Shades of Grey is to Twilight. This I find is how most shipping is but again, that is just my interpretation of what I see on tumblr and on fandom forums.

ummn hermione hits draco thats why and i do think ron and her are better

I ship Romione so much I don't understand why would someone ship Dramoine.

I agree with you all that in the original Harry Potter books, or even movies, I didn't see anything between Draco and Hermione either and it's obvious that J.K. Rowling NEVER meant for them to be together.

But, having read a fanfiction about them (because I get bored sometimes, and like to try new/weird things), I fell in love with them. But I liked their story in that fanfic precisely, so I don't know if I can really be called a "Dramione shipper" ?
Though in this story, I saw why people thought they could be together. And I never really liked Ron with Hermione anyway. Always wanted her to end up with Harry :)

Sooo, since my comment doesn't really have a point (aside from the fact that I like to express my opinion), I think I'm gonna stop here :)

because she is beter than good, and draco is more than just bad.... it's the bad boy, good girl thing i guess....

I do ship them but I'm not saying that I hate Romione cause I love Romione. I think it's a matter of opinion whether you like the together or not and for me it's the whole forbidden love side of it.

She was the ultimate good girl and he was the biggest 'bad boy' Hogwarts had to offer.

I don't ship it but even I can see the appeal.

I'm in full support of Romione, but Dramione is more of a fun ship. It gives amazing opportunities to develop Draco's character (realising he should not be awful to muggleborns etc) and idk I've always liked the good girl/bad boy thing.

I don't ship Dramione.



BECAUSE I SHIP THEIR KIDS!!!!!! ROSE AND SCORPIUS ARE A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!!!!!!

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ᏒIᎪlᎥstᎥc wrote: "****Kelly***** wrote: "I don't ship Dramione.



BECAUSE I SHIP THEIR KIDS!!!!!! ROSE AND SCORPIUS ARE A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!!!!!!"

Um, is it really reasonable to say that 2 characters, one who w..."

Its the best because its like Dramione without the whole confirmed rivalry! Draco and Hermione were practically MADE to be enemies! RoseandScorpius is like Dramione with the slate wiped clean. No one can say 'Oh, but they hated each other, she punched him in the face!' because that technically never happened. Their stories haven't been confirmed, so there are thousands of possibilities! Sure you can make a fanfic about hermione and draco getting married but you know that it doesn't happen. RoseandScorpius is like Dramione but without JKR confirming that they are indeed enemies.

*Sigh* I LOVE the Marauder's fanfic!!

ᏒIᎪlᎥstᎥc wrote: "I don't understand why some people love Dramione. Whenever I ask, they give me a dumb reason like, "They're both good at potions."
WHAT?!
It just bothers me that people read this really great serie..."

I hate it. they just Dont fit with eachother

First of all, I don't think Dramione Shippers finish the books and immediately jump to the conclusion that Draco and Hermione are a perfect fit. Let's start there.

We finish reading the books, cry over all the characters that died, then cry some more over the fact that this great series ended.

The shipping of any two non-canon characters comes later, for many of us. It could be a fanart we saw in passing, or a quote we heard somewhere. Something clicks one day which makes you think about non-canon pairings or situations. It's different for each person, so I can't generalize. For me, personally, I liked the aspect of how this pairing explores Draco's character a lot more, gives it more depth. In most of the fanfics, Draco is not the pureblood snob he was in the initial books. Hermione would not be with him if he were. In fact, even in canon, towards the end of the series, there's a subtle growth and change in him. The fanfics dig into this more, provide a chance to see where it could have gone.

Second of all, no one thinks JK should have interrupted the series to put this love story in the middle. I don't know why you would jump to that conclusion. It's an alternative scenario, and situation, which should not take away from the source material.

Third of all, why do people ship characters? Why do we do anything? Why do we read? Why do we create discussions? Because we like to do so. Simple as that.

ᏒIᎪlᎥstᎥc wrote: "It just seems stupid to be worshipping literature the same way you worship a boy band."

No more stupid than you being so bothered by it that you're rallying against it so vehemently.

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONO
ITS JUST SO WEIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its the whole idea of Gryffindor and Slytherin being enemies. People could mistake their love for sexual tension.
One of my favourite parts of the series is when Hermione hits Draco in Prisoner of Azkaban. It was great.
I didn't see it at first. I was 9 I didnt really care about that stuff but now that I'm older, its there.

Dramione is one of those ships that I have just loathed right from the start. I cannot see those two together whatsoever.

Dramione is just one of those ships that fans smoosh together because they make as little sense as possible and they mistake it as ''forbidden fruit''. They like it because it's a hard ship to push; a challenge, fun even. The important thing to remember is that harassment and sexual tension are two very different things.

I honestly ship Dramione because the actors who played the characters were Emma Watson and Tom Felton. If it wasn't the actor I don't think I ship Dramione, so technically I ship Emma and Tom. But I think if Dramione happens in the book, it'd be a legend (no, really, its just my opinion). I read it somewhere that says Rowling was thinking to pair those two but changed her mind and paired Hermione and Ron, instead. Well, the fact that I love Draco is one of the reason why I ship Dramione. I think even someone as bad as Draco deserves a happy ending.

Have any of you guys seen Cassandra Clare's fan fiction about this ship?
I saw somewhere that Rowling was thinking about putting Hermione with Fred, which would be awesome.
To bad she killed him instead...

But the fan fiction makes Hermione look like a love sick girl and I don't like it.

Ok. So you are all saying "just my opinion" or "for me" and then going on to say something incredibly abrasive and extreme. It's certainly fine to have an opinion, but your comments are being made to instigate a quarrel and I think that may be the point of this thread, which isn't all that mature from my perspective (see what I did there?).

As a published author, someone who has written and put into the world at least one full-length novel, I see fan fiction as a beautiful sort of dialogue between author and readers that would, otherwise, be impossible to achieve. If someone is so inspired by my book that they decide to continue off of it and write their own story in that universe or with those characters, I would be beyond flattered; it's like the ultimate compliment.

After all, that is the point of writing; to inspire. I don't do it in order to make money or get famous, because that is next to impossible in this field. I do it to affect people and make an imprint on their lives. And fan fiction is the best way of knowing you've done your job.

More-so, fan fiction was a vital part of my growth as a writer. Not only is it fantastic practice with grammar and dialogue in general, but it also helps to prep a person for having their writing read and commented on. No other form of writing practice allows a person to actually post their stories online to get seen. If you posted a work in progress or a short story to get some feedback, you run the risk of someone stealing your idea. That's not possible with fan fiction. So to say "It just seems stupid to be worshiping literature the same way you worship a boy band." seems a little uneducated on the topic at hand.

It's not worshiping. As fan fiction writers, we are getting lost in the world of one of our favorite books in a way that stimulates creativity and creation and compliments the author. We aren't horny, love-sick teenage girls who can't get the idea of two hot actors out of our heads. These stories are long and beautiful and thought out and edited. Hundreds of hours are put into each one, some even ending up the length of a complete novel. To compare it to the ramblings of a Directioner or Belieber is honestly very offensive.

As for Draco and Hermione specifically, they are two characters whom I love dearly. I think that for the amount of crap Draco undergoes through the course of the books, his character is relatively overlooked. You never really delve deep into his mind, to see those changes that occur and how he deals with them. Fan fiction is a way for me to read others interpretations of his incredibly constructed character (thanks J.K. Rowling :) ) and for me to write my own.

And it is similar for Hermione. She is such an interesting character, one who I believe would have made just as beautiful a main character as Harry, and I love getting inside her head and putting her in new situations, just to see what she'll do.

The two of them together, to me, just make sense. And not in the secret relationship at Hogwarts way, or the Draco has always loved her way. I want to see them grow up, stop hating each other, become friends, then best friends, and then, and only then, do you see a spark of something more. I want a slow-burn where they know each other inside and out and understand the changes their brains have undergone and know what the other is thinking. Draco and Hermione are both smart, sassy, love to learn, are civilized and opinionated, have causes for which they feel strongly for. Both characters go through incredible changes throughout the course of the books and, for me, I think it ends with them being a good match for each other.

So that is my view on the topic. Dramione isn't what you think it is. I really hope none of you are here, having opinions and bashing something that is beloved by so many, and have never read a Dramione story. If you haven't, and you are here, stating your opinions against it, then your entire argument is invalid because if your opinion is not educated it can not be fact-based and, therefore, is baseless. Thus, in the hopes of giving you a valid argument, here are a couple links to really fantastic Dramione stories that portray the pairing in a beautiful light that is true to their characters and respectful of the story J.K. Rowling had in mind.

I'd also like to clarify that I'm not trying to sway any of you into "shipping" Draco and Hermione. I just want you to understand why we like it. I understand why you like Ron and Hermione, or Draco and Astoria, or just the canon books in general, and I am certainly not comparing it to the way in which young girls fantasize over boy bands. All ships, and viewpoints on stories are valid. Please remember that. The Harry Potter series is my favorite series of all time. I've read the books a total of 10 times, all the way through. I don't love the stories because of Draco and Hermione either, because they are not canon and never will be in the story. I read the books because I appreciate every single other aspect of the story and I love every single character in the books, not just Draco and Hermione. Please do not insult my love or appreciation for J.K.R.'s masterpiece because I also happen to be interested in Dramione. They are not one in the same.

Here are those stories if you're interested. One is a work-in-progress but it gives you an idea of how the best Dramione stories usually progress.

Completed (only read the first chapter, unless you really like it, then feel free):
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5060095/...

WIP (only two chapters):
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11610885...

Abby wrote: "Ok. So you are all saying "just my opinion" or "for me" and then going on to say something incredibly abrasive and extreme. It's certainly fine to have an opinion, but your comments are being made ..."

Although I don't ship D/Hr, this was a very well-written post. Well done!

Good explanation of why people write fanfiction.

Abby wrote: "Ok. So you are all saying "just my opinion" or "for me" and then going on to say something incredibly abrasive and extreme. It's certainly fine to have an opinion, but your comments are being made ..."

A lot of your points are valid, in my opinion, and i can't profess to be a published author, but i do disagree with some of the things you've said.

Whatever sort of writing a person practices helps develop skills, so of course fan fiction falls under this category. But do I think that fan fiction is necessary for vital writing skills to develop? Not necessarily.

I can't say that I don't like fan fiction on principle. There's plenty that I don't object to. However, as a whole, fan fiction has always somewhat mystified me. I'm not sure I understand the point. I definitely understand why people write it; what i don't understand is why people read it. Often if a book doesn't end how we want it, or we'd like something to develop that hasn't developed in canon, we like to fantasize about the characters in different situations. I definitely don't have anything against that, and obviously I'm not trying to control what people think or how they experience literature.

But to me, at least half of the experience of a book is the author: the writing style, the way s/he thinks, what s/he is trying to convey, etc. When someone else takes the characters and writes about them, it changes and warps the real characters that the author created. When someone takes a person and builds on them, he is changing them into something that they weren't created to be. I don't know any authors' opinions on fan fiction, but it seems to me that if i had published characters, i wouldn't want people changing them. It would sort of defeat the purpose of why they were created.

I believe that people write to make a difference; they have something to say, and stories is how they express them. To take characters that are expressing one idea and warp them to represent a fantasy in your head seems almost... disrespectful, i guess, to the author and the idea they were created to convey.

In the instance of Harry Potter: I've read the books too many times to count, probably somewhere in the range of 5-10 times a year. And every time i read them, i marvel at Rowling's writing - how she conveys her ideas, plot and character development, banter between friends, and everything in between the lines. Obviously everyone experiences books differently, but somehow to me the ultimate compliment to an author is when readers come together in a discussion about the books, about what they think the author meant to say when writing this line, or another. If the author is trying to say something, wouldn't it be frustrating if what all his/her readers were talking about was different ships? I'm not published or anything, but when i write something, it's because i'm trying to put a feeling or idea into words. I can't imagine i would be too happy if someone took out the opposite idea of what i was trying to say.

I'm not trying to imply that this is what's happening with all fan fiction, but i am trying to prove a point. It just seems that after all the work the author put into crafting these characters for a specific ending, a specific purpose, to tell a specific story, to take the characters and write an entirely different story for them is disregarding all that the writer was trying to convey when s/he created the story.

I hope I'm not offending anyone. This wasn't meant as a rant; I'm just trying to show a different side of the argument. To me, it feels like the writer put so much work into creating a masterpiece - shouldn't we appreciate it for what it is? Maybe I'm just an extreme purist, but sometimes things are better left alone. I love to dissect a book as much as the next person, but to attribute feelings or abilities to characters that really aren't within canon, or to create a new pairing because the chemistry would be amazing? That just seems almost sacrilegious to me. I'd love to appreciate what the author did with his/her own words, not superimpose my own feelings or ideas onto someone else's characters that were created for a different purpose.

There's definitely creativity in imagining alternate endings, creating new depths to characters, and i won't deny that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery; but shouldn't we be encouraging people to analyze life, perceive problems, and convey their own ideas, instead of warping someone else's?

I love Harry Potter, and I love the characters that JK Rowling created; I don't understand why lovers of Harry Potter would want to read about their beloved characters as different people, representing different ideas. I have always avoided fan fiction because it often makes me frustrated and upset: words create realities, and I love the reality of Harry Potter that Rowling created. Why would I want someone to change it?

I hope this isn't offensive to anyone. Everyone's opinion is legitimate; this is obviously just how i feel about it. Anyone is welcome to disagree :)

Writing is so incredibly unique. It is unlike any other forms of expression. It is an art, a form of mass media, a way to guide people, to take them into one world and another, to make them feel something, to make them feel numb, to introduce a person to their best friend and their worst enemy. My characters are parts of me. Every time I enter the worlds of my stories, I am returning home.

However, writing is also infinite. There is no one way to interpret a story or characters. A person can read Harry Potter and decide that it is about an epic adventure, a coming of age story, a reflection on friendship, an allegory for World War II, an interpretation of the human conscience. None of these are wrong and none of them are right. And the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what the author's intentions were, because once the work is put into the world the purpose of that book is only to exist and readers are free to interpret it however they please, and they will never be wrong.

Once you give a story to a person to read, you breath life into it because those characters no longer exist in just your head, they exist in someone else's too. And that's the beauty of writing because the way the writer imagined something may not be how a reader does, or another reader, or ANY reader. It is infinitely interpretable and infinitely changeable. And nobody is wrong.

Seriously, this is not some stupid concept that I made up right here on the spot to prove a point. Do you remember all those English and Reading classes you had to take growing up where you read classic books like Of Mice and Men and A Streetcar Named Desire and then you analyzed the crap out of them right down the exact shade of grass in that meadow as they drove down the road. Do you really think the author of that story thought "You know what, describing this grass as 'emerald' will be the perfect metaphor for the main character's hidden superiority complex and their desire to be royal"? No, they did not. However, that metaphor may still be the most beautiful, significant part of the story to a huge variety of people.

This is a widely accepted concept by all professional authors. Once you put your book out into the world, it is no longer your own. It is owned by your readers. And, in my opinion, that is the true beauty in writing.

Thus, the idea of fanfiction would be included in that.

I certainly understand why it can be so negatively perceived. When someone is truly and forever satisfied by a story, it can be more than frustrating to see it picked apart into tiny pieces and rewritten. I totally get that. I see it differently, though.

With a world as vast and intricately constructed as J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter with 772 characters mentioned by name in the whole of the 7 books, how can we not see opportunities to expand? Rowling has a perfect image, I have no doubt, of all these characters and who they are and their aspirations, what their stories are. However, she never wrote it down. I see fanfiction as a way to find those stories and to capture them and put them onto paper for her.

When you write a story, a really good one that is, you really do know everything. You know your main characters favorite color, the sort of cake they ate on their fifth birthday, and the exact shade of their toenails. However, you also know what the cute readhead that rung your main character up at the supermarket in chapter six's dream job is even though she is never mentioned again.

These stories are constructed to be vast and all-encompassing even though it isn't all on paper. Fanfiction gives us a chance to make that so.

I'm not trying to say that everyone has to like fanfiction or that it is vital to appreciate writing or even be a good writer, because it definitely isn't. However, just like any community, there is a loud minority that gives all of us a terrible name. I just want to rid everyone of that stigma that follows fanfiction. I wish I could change the name, honestly, because I don't write these stories as a fan. I write them as a fellow author who saw an opportunity for more in a story that I love: an opportunity which I take to both better my own skills and my own knowledge of the universe in which this story takes place, and also to help my neighbors to expand their imaginaton and creativity and take them right back into that story that they love, of which they can recite off the top of their mind every canon word.

I write fanfiction because I am in love with words and I am especially in love with stories. And, sometimes, I want to interact with some of my best friends in a new way. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Draco, Snape, Dumbledore; they are all some of my favorite people. They exist only in words and so I write to help them live a little longer so I can get to know them better and so I can follow them on their journies and stand next to them while they experience parts of their lives that Rowling did not have the capacity to portray since she is just one woman.

So yeah. I kind of rambled a litte here. I'm not sure how much of it is coherent, but I am much too tired to go back through and re-read so I apologize if there are parts that don't make sense. I just hope you see the whole fanfiction thing from my perspective.

i think the much talked about DRAMIONE comes into our imagination from the perspective of the movies;it stems from our perception of TOM FELTON and EMMA WATSON rather than their respective characters in the books

Bumba wrote: "i think the much talked about DRAMIONE comes into our imagination from the perspective of the movies;it stems from our perception of TOM FELTON and EMMA WATSON rather than their respective characters in the books"

Probably as Emma admitted she had a crush on him in an interview, giving people the idea, that Hermione may feel the same as the actress, who plays her, which is probably not the case.

Dudeeeee, like I've said twice already though, it's just an imaginative sort of thing. You like two characters and you think what it'd be like if they were together, so you try it out. It's honestly not that big a deal. We don't expect everyone to agree, and we don't assume that it's canon in any sense of the word. It's just, you know, a fun thing to do.

Abby wrote: "Dudeeeee, like I've said twice already though, it's just an imaginative sort of thing. You like two characters and you think what it'd be like if they were together, so you try it out. It's honestl..."
At some level i agree with you, but when you imagine a character, you do it either from reading books(without seeing the movies) or from watching the movies.in the books the character HERMIONE is not at all gorgeous but rather a plain one(with large front teeth and bushy hair and all that...) ;now the question is if MOANING MYRTLE(i mean the actress,no offense) were to be cast in place of EMMA WATSON,would the fans be so much willing to pair her along with TOM FELTON's draco?Hence the question where your likeness of character should stem from

Dramione is the exact same thing as Snape/Lily, which I don't get either but then again, not so many people seem to ship that.

Abusive dark magic adoring douchebag should be in relationship with intelligent, kind girl?
I think not. Not in reality, not in fiction.

I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with someone who spat racist slurs after me for 6 years in school, and who's made it perfectly clear that he thinks "mmy kind" should not even be allowed. But hey, maybe that's just me.

Abby wrote: "Dudeeeee, like I've said twice already though, it's just an imaginative sort of thing. You like two characters and you think what it'd be like if they were together, so you try it out. It's honestl..."

I get your point. Writing obscure pairings is a good way to pass time.

Anny wrote: "Dramione is the exact same thing as Snape/Lily, which I don't get either but then again, not so many people seem to ship that.

Abusive dark magic adoring douchebag should be in relationship with i..."

You have a good point and I don't ship D/Hr in any way either.

The reason I ship dramione is because it's snily 2.0 where it should have worked out.

After the 7th book I don't really like Ron. I don't know why. Just the way he acted in that book.

Bookworm wrote: "The reason I ship dramione is because it's snily 2.0 where it should have worked out."

I don't get where the Snape/Lily comparison really comes from.

First of all, young Severus and young Lily were friends. They shared secrets, laughed at the same jokes and spent time together.

As for Malfoy and our Hermione? Well, they were definitely not friends. I vaguely recall him saying he'd like her to be dead (I think it was in the second book?).

Snape and Malfoy have their differences too. Snape was abused by his family, while Malfoy was a spoiled brat (like Dudley). Snape actively had a Gryffindor best friend, which Malfoy wouldn't have done in his nightmares.

And yeah, they do have their things in common. But Snape and Lily didn't work out for a reason...

Snape openly showed hatred towards muggleborns - the same thing Malfoy did - which was part of the reason Lily rejected him.

Yeah, Snape loved her. But sometimes that's not enough.

And Malfoy doesn't even love Hermione. He despises her. He wants her dead. He can't stand her.

I get the comparison, but no.

purplebookworm wrote: "After the 7th book I don't really like Ron. I don't know why. Just the way he acted in that book."

Well he had a lot going on in his life....He just got carried away.He always had a complex and we can't really blame him,can we?The horcrux got the better of him.But he returned...That's what matters.He tried to mend his mistakes and nobody's perfect,it is their struggle to be better that counts.So I guess you ought to forgive him.

Coming to Dramione,I absolutely despise it.I really dont understand it.Malfoy was never a good guy...Even though he wasn't nearly as bad as the other death eaters,he can hardly be considered a noble fellow.It is the same bad boy gets the good girl kind of thing.Sorry I don't believe in it.He simply doesn't deserve Hermione...He never even loved her.And why are we forgetting the fact that he married Astoria,a girl he truly loved and cared for,a girl who kinda changed him for better.Without Malfoy and Astoria we would never get the adorable Scorpius!!

No... After the 8th you really hate Harry and Ron...

Do you agree??

Omega wrote: "No... After the 8th you really hate Harry and Ron...

Do you agree??"

Nope. I don't hate them.

Although, are you referring to the Cursed Child with the Eighth? I don't get it.

Seriously all I can say is that is wrong why would that happen. She hates Draco and Draco hates Hermione

Ella wrote: "Seriously all I can say is that is wrong why would that happen. She hates Draco and Draco hates Hermione"

I'm not a shipper, but I think that's exactly why people ship the whole thing. Love-hate is a popular concept...

Dramione is ridiculous. That's like a black woman marrying a member of the KKK. Unacceptable. I'm not a fan of Ronmione either, though. I think Hermione's too good for any character. Except maybe Fred...I think they could've been an interesting match had JKR not decided to betray us and kill him off.

I’m personally not a fan of this ship but I could understand it being a forbidden love type of thing.

Dramionie just does not make any sense. Draco never cared about Hermione.
He loved hs own wife and people ship Draco with everyone except his own wife, the one person he truly loved.

Dramione doesnt make sense. Draco hates Hermione and calls her a racist slur, wishes death upon her and whatnot. They both hate each other. So it doesnt make any sense. Hermione only has one perfect partner-Ron. Ship Romione

Exactly, I don't know why people are supporting this toxic relationship.