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"Associations between stress and survival are extremely difficult to test in a natural scenario. They require very frequent data collection for a very long period of time, in this case through the Amboseli Baboon Research Project, which was launched in 1971.
Amboseli females are followed daily from birth to death, their activity is monitored, big events in their lives are recorded, and their feces are periodically collected.
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"A new study appearing April 21 in Science Advances shows that female baboons with high life-long levels of glucocorticoids, the hormones involved in the 'fight or flight' response, have a greater risk of dying than those with lower levels."
https://phys.org/news/2021-04-lifelon...
Amboseli females are followed daily from birth to death, their activity is monitored, big events in their lives are recorded, and their feces are periodically collected.
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"A new study appearing April 21 in Science Advances shows that female baboons with high life-long levels of glucocorticoids, the hormones involved in the 'fight or flight' response, have a greater risk of dying than those with lower levels."
https://phys.org/news/2021-04-lifelon...
New species of Colobus monkey found in Congo.
This monkey is black and shaggy, with orange lips. Luckily, it's already inside a national park.
"Colobus congoensis was most frequently observed in small groups (mean = 6.2 individuals), often in mixed-species associations. Mitochondrial and morphological data confirm the attribution of C. congoensis to the genus Colobus and reveal that it is the sister to Colobus satanas, from which it is geographically separated by more than 1,200 km. Comparative analysis of C. congoensis vocalizations also reveals structural similarities with C. satanas to the exclusion of other Colobus species.
Among other features, C. congoensis is distinguished from C. satanas and other Colobus species by its small size, a striking orange cream patch surrounding the mouth, philtrum, and portions of the inferior nasal alae on an otherwise black face, and a white perianal patch that is covered with fine white hairs in males and is glabrous in females.
We propose a preliminary IUCN Red List classification of Endangered (EN) for C. congoensis based on its small range area and population size, coupled with the projected impact of increased hunting pressure and habitat conversion. Protection of Lomami National Park, within which most of the C. congoensis range occurs, and engagement of local communities in not hunting the species are the most important actions needed to ensure the conservation of C. congoensis.
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"In all cases, the young animals had the full black coloration and piebald facial pattern of adults. Colobus congoensis were observed primarily in the canopy or middle level of mature forest. Two exceptions were reported. In one event, two C. congoensis of a monospecific group of 5 individuals descended to the ground briefly before moving back up into the middle level. In the second event, a group of approximately 10 C. congoensis under attack from a crowned eagle (Stephanoaetus coronatus) moved from the canopy to the understory."
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...
This monkey is black and shaggy, with orange lips. Luckily, it's already inside a national park.
"Colobus congoensis was most frequently observed in small groups (mean = 6.2 individuals), often in mixed-species associations. Mitochondrial and morphological data confirm the attribution of C. congoensis to the genus Colobus and reveal that it is the sister to Colobus satanas, from which it is geographically separated by more than 1,200 km. Comparative analysis of C. congoensis vocalizations also reveals structural similarities with C. satanas to the exclusion of other Colobus species.
Among other features, C. congoensis is distinguished from C. satanas and other Colobus species by its small size, a striking orange cream patch surrounding the mouth, philtrum, and portions of the inferior nasal alae on an otherwise black face, and a white perianal patch that is covered with fine white hairs in males and is glabrous in females.
We propose a preliminary IUCN Red List classification of Endangered (EN) for C. congoensis based on its small range area and population size, coupled with the projected impact of increased hunting pressure and habitat conversion. Protection of Lomami National Park, within which most of the C. congoensis range occurs, and engagement of local communities in not hunting the species are the most important actions needed to ensure the conservation of C. congoensis.
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"In all cases, the young animals had the full black coloration and piebald facial pattern of adults. Colobus congoensis were observed primarily in the canopy or middle level of mature forest. Two exceptions were reported. In one event, two C. congoensis of a monospecific group of 5 individuals descended to the ground briefly before moving back up into the middle level. In the second event, a group of approximately 10 C. congoensis under attack from a crowned eagle (Stephanoaetus coronatus) moved from the canopy to the understory."
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...
In Britain, new legislation introduced in April mandates that all primates kept in England are licensed. Since primates are not wild animals native to Britain, it is not illegal to sell them. But conditions have to be strictly observed including how they are kept.
This is likely to lead to abandoned animals.
https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2026/0723/...
"The female common marmoset was discovered on a 302 bus waiting in Kensal Rise, north-west London, last Friday.
A mother had been unable to move her buggy down the bus aisle because a laundry bag was sticking out of the luggage bay.
When the bus driver pushed the bag out of the way, the monkey - since named Oyster, after the London travel card - started "chirping and jumping".
Oyster has been checked by a vet and rehomed at a sanctuary. She was not microchipped."
This is likely to lead to abandoned animals.
https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2026/0723/...
"The female common marmoset was discovered on a 302 bus waiting in Kensal Rise, north-west London, last Friday.
A mother had been unable to move her buggy down the bus aisle because a laundry bag was sticking out of the luggage bay.
When the bus driver pushed the bag out of the way, the monkey - since named Oyster, after the London travel card - started "chirping and jumping".
Oyster has been checked by a vet and rehomed at a sanctuary. She was not microchipped."
I asked Google for details on the above new law. Where it mentions a council, that is the link where it is sourcing the info.
"No, it is not completely illegal to sell primates in Britain, but it is heavily restricted and strictly regulated. Selling or keeping a primate as a pet without meeting severe statutory criteria is a criminal offense.
Telford & Wrekin Council
+4
Strict Licensing Requirements
The legal landscape for private primate ownership shifted dramatically under recent legislation:
Primate Licence Mandatory: As of April 6, 2026, the Animal Welfare (Primate Licences) Regulations require anyone keeping a private primate in England to hold a specific primate licence.
Telford & Wrekin Council
+1
Zoo-Level Standards: To obtain a licence, private keepers must provide "zoo-level" welfare standards and clear strict local authority inspections.
Stafford Borough Council
+1
Criminal Penalties: Keeping or transferring a primate without this licence violates Section 13 of the Animal Welfare Act 2006. It carries a penalty of up to six months in prison, an unlimited fine, or both.
Telford & Wrekin Council
+1
Other Applicable Laws
Dangerous Wild Animals Act 1976: Many primate species (like capuchins or lemurs) also require a Dangerous Wild Animals Licence to be legally held or moved.
Rother District Council
CITES Regulations: Trading endangered primates internationally or commercially within the UK remains restricted under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES), requiring specific import/export permits and Article 10 certificates.
Exemptions: Fully licensed zoos and scientific research facilities authorized under the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act 1986 are exempt from standard private licensing rules.
Stafford Borough Council"
https://www.staffordbc.gov.uk/primate...
https://www.telford.gov.uk/public-pro...
"No, it is not completely illegal to sell primates in Britain, but it is heavily restricted and strictly regulated. Selling or keeping a primate as a pet without meeting severe statutory criteria is a criminal offense.
Telford & Wrekin Council
+4
Strict Licensing Requirements
The legal landscape for private primate ownership shifted dramatically under recent legislation:
Primate Licence Mandatory: As of April 6, 2026, the Animal Welfare (Primate Licences) Regulations require anyone keeping a private primate in England to hold a specific primate licence.
Telford & Wrekin Council
+1
Zoo-Level Standards: To obtain a licence, private keepers must provide "zoo-level" welfare standards and clear strict local authority inspections.
Stafford Borough Council
+1
Criminal Penalties: Keeping or transferring a primate without this licence violates Section 13 of the Animal Welfare Act 2006. It carries a penalty of up to six months in prison, an unlimited fine, or both.
Telford & Wrekin Council
+1
Other Applicable Laws
Dangerous Wild Animals Act 1976: Many primate species (like capuchins or lemurs) also require a Dangerous Wild Animals Licence to be legally held or moved.
Rother District Council
CITES Regulations: Trading endangered primates internationally or commercially within the UK remains restricted under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES), requiring specific import/export permits and Article 10 certificates.
Exemptions: Fully licensed zoos and scientific research facilities authorized under the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act 1986 are exempt from standard private licensing rules.
Stafford Borough Council"
https://www.staffordbc.gov.uk/primate...
https://www.telford.gov.uk/public-pro...



Pig tailed macaques have been studied in oil palm plantations and observed to be hunting and eating a substantial amount of rats.
https://gizmodo.com/these-rat-eating-...
" Pig-tailed macaques are currently listed by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as a vulnerable species, primarily owing to habitat loss and human hunting. Oil palm plantations are responsible for much of this habitat loss; oil palm plantations currently cover nearly 190,000 square kilometers (73,400 square miles) of land around the world. "
But the pest control function could be their saving. The scientists are surprised that the macaques ate so many rats; I am thinking it could be to make up for the fact that palm fat contains just about no nutrients. Ponies grazing on the windswept islands off Scotland have been observed eating the heads of sea bird chicks, just to get nutrients.