Rothfussians discussion

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone had an idea which finger Denna wears her ring on?

Thank you, kindly :)

I am not sure. I am however curious as to what you are speculating?

Also, I hope Denna dies a horrible painful death. =D

Ottomastiff wrote: "I am not sure. I am however curious as to what you are speculating?

Also, I hope Denna dies a horrible painful death. =D"

Me too! She's the worst.

JaphiaHart wrote: "Ottomastiff wrote: "I am not sure. I am however curious as to what you are speculating?

Also, I hope Denna dies a horrible painful death. =D"

Me too! She's the worst."
Right on. I skip denna parts now.... it is just painful to read

Mr. Rothfuss, please please keep Denna in the story!!!! Please do not listen to them!! Please...

Not sure. I know...what a useful comment.

However I too am interested in why you'd want to know...

I'm not really a fan of Denna but I don't want her to die, I want her to find peace. She wanders through life as a facade but on the inside there is something broken in her.

I only dislike her because she's not a real character. She's a trope. And a lame one. I'll like her more once she's not so "mysterious". I suppose I don't want her to die specially it seems kvothe breaks the world for her. Or something.

I can't stand her. She is one of the most frustrating characters I've ever encountered, which says a lot about how great Rothfuss's writing is. To make me feel something so strongly. It's why we all love him!

I think it boils down to this: I adore Kovthe so very much and Denna is his kryptonite. When she's around his intelligence, sharp wit, etc it all shifts downward. He changes into a character I don't like. She's like the evil sister in law taking away your awesome brother.

I don't care about her past. Kovthe has had a shit storm in his past as well. Misery loves company though.

I agree that Denna isn't my favourite character but she's so fundamentally broken, I think it adds to the book.

JaphiaHart wrote: "I only dislike her because she's not a real character. She's a trope. And a lame one. I'll like her more once she's not so "mysterious". I suppose I don't want her to die specially it seems kvothe ..."
I second that.

Ottomastiff wrote: "I am not sure. I am however curious as to what you are speculating?

Also, I hope Denna dies a horrible painful death. =D"

Haha, if it weren't for her, Kvothe would be too good at everything he does!

I purchased her ring from Badali Jewellery. I was interested to know if there was a particular finger that it was supposed to be on.

I, on the other hand, think Denna is only mysterious because Kvothe does not know what she is doing when she is not directly in front of him. Which is true, really, of everybody. I am a big fan of Denna too, if you were wondering. She is overall an extremely likable character.

JaphiaHart wrote: "I only dislike her because she's not a real character. She's a trope. And a lame one. I'll like her more once she's not so "mysterious". I suppose I don't want her to die specially it seems kvothe ..."

I really hope she doesn't die and that's why Kvothe is broken. That would a lazy trope. But I have to much fate in Rothfuss to believe he's going to do that.

We all should know that he stole the name, Denna, from the Sword Of Truth series, and from Tarry Goodkind. then again, Maybe not.

Why would you say we should all know he stole something, then say he might not have? Denna can't be that hard of a name to think of, it was probably one he thought of.

Chris wrote: "Why would you say we should all know he stole something, then say he might not have? Denna can't be that hard of a name to think of, it was probably one he thought of."

It was a joke. I couldn't think of any other fantasy figure named Denna. Well, other than the Mord Sith, and...forgive me...the bed warmer variety. I mean, lets face it. Denna kind of is a gold digger for a while there. Kyothe just dosen't see it for a long time.

Please note that I would not have called Denna a pillow pal if she had been of the warrior race, as it is accepted in that culture, however, Denna is not so there we are..

I think if you have only read the book and haven't listened to the audio book then you aren't getting the full experience from the characters and the wow moments as the aurthor changes his pitch and gets growlish towards the more mundane moments.. Also, other moments that you might have read through or skipped are more interesting as they usually hide a hint or two.. Definitely try it out.. I bought every book pertaining to the series on audio and iphone kindle and it was the best thing I ever did. Going to bed to parts like Kvothe, Sim, and Willem stumbling home drunk and plopping down before the bridge just help me picture the bond between the friends and warm my heart one last time before the black of my sweet sleep.

Who remembers Skoivan Schiemmelpfenneg?! "You're roight handy wit a knife," I complimented Shciem. "But Oi'm surprised you'd gut the little fella roit here with tae pegs close by...."

He shook his head. "Pegs is vicious BASTARDS!"

hahahahhh I loved this scene in the audio book..

She's not a very good gold digger. What kind of gold digger doesn't want to marry a nice rich guy because he wants to buy her too much stuff or likes her too much?

She really isn't my favorite character, but I think she has a significant role in the story. To be honest I think that she could be the female member of the Chandrian. That is why she doesn't keep to a single patron, other than Mr. Ash (who I believe is Cinder), this way she can remove any mention of the Chandrian in private libraries.

I don't hate Denna but i far from love her. I mostly just endure her scenes...I was rooting for Fela and Kvothe mostly haha.

though i couldn't help smirking a little when she avoided bringing up Felurian...

My general contention of Denna is that she uses Kvothe far beyond the point of my patience. I understand she has had a difficult life and her only way to live in this world is to entice patrons, but she understands Kvothe's situation and still uses him. I'm glad he met other women in the second book and made her feel a bit jealous, because she honestly deserves it with the way she plays hard to get with Kvothe.

Hello Lucas,

Could you please give an example from the book where Denna uses Kvothe?

Lucas wrote: "My general contention of Denna is that she uses Kvothe far beyond the point of my patience. I understand she has had a difficult life and her only way to live in this world is to entice patrons, bu..."

I hear ya... Denna uses Kvothe like the ultimate "backburner boy" - like... every single time he "finds" her or she "finds" him... she's always conveniently pretty darn close to that point of "I'm not talking to that guy anymore".

It just always seems like... even if Kvothe pops happily along into her life right smack in the middle of one of her 'relationships' it's laid out pretty well that she's already starting to lace up the running shoes ...

Then... when she's wholly and totally single again - it's back to Kvothe so she can whine and pine and tease about how 'all these guys' read from the 'same book' - and it's during those times that she's suddenly with Kvothe all the time... and when she disappears... we, the reader, find out later that she struck up another relationship

It... gets me because I've actually seen this happen to a friend of mine... over the course of (no joke) a decade... but he was SO smitten with this girl that even though I pointed all this out to him... he INSISTED that she was his one true love blah blah blah.

he even did the SAME thing as Kvothe "Oh, well, I'm not going to do this this and that because all those OTHER guys do it... and she's gotta know that I'm just that special NOT to do it" - and she tramped on him for YEARS.

Essentially the pattern:
- Kvothe! You're my favourite, I think you're incredible!
- I will now mysteriously disappear for either no reason or vague reasons
- I now show up dressed in luxurious gowns and jewelry which I have gold-dug my way from my new boyfriend
- I'm now bored by this new shiny thing.... so let's get nostalgic, Kvothe'll ALWAYS be there for me.
- Oh look! a new shiny pretty boyfriend! Kvothe'll be there when I get bored of this one too - so I'll just leave.

Over... and over... and over...

terrible. Denna is my favourite female character...

According to Bast she has a narrow face and a crooked nose...nuff said..but on a serious note, they are a lot alike which is why Kvothe likes her. She reminds her of him.... AHAHAHA

No not siblings. They are just very similar people...
I'm just so sick of hearing how undefinable and incredible she is...
I don't hate her but I literally roll my eyes when Kvothe rants about her..

Like seriously go back and find that redheaded serving wench ;)

Halima wrote: "I think I'd just kill myself if it turns out they're siblings *_*"

I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

Slick wrote: "According to Bast she has a narrow face and a crooked nose...nuff said..but on a serious note, they are a lot alike which is why Kvothe likes her. She reminds her of him.... AHAHAHA"

Hmm...I guess Kvothe's portrayed as something of a narcissist... makes sense?

Halima wrote: "I second that Alfred, she must have some worth if Pats still mentioning her"

I pray you're both right... I don't like disliking the female leads...it's just the dislike is so... visceral. I can't HELP it.

I'm sincerely hoping that as of the third book, there's this "A-HA..." that makes something about her and in her SO AWESOME - that all her past 'icks' can be forgiven if not forgotten.

Slick wrote: "No not siblings. They are just very similar people...
I'm just so sick of hearing how undefinable and incredible she is...
I don't hate her but I literally roll my eyes when Kvothe rants about her...."

The wench? Puh-leeze. Shoot higher... get it on with Felurian again!

I just realized what annoys me most about Denna. Yes, it's that she's "sooo mysterious". But she's only mysterious because Kvothe can't be bothered to learn anything about her. If Kvothe actually cared about her as more than his object of infatuation he'd ask her questions. "Where are you from? What's your family like? Why do you keep changing your name?"
ANYTHING!

Sure, she doesn't like questions but come on. The girl is literally being beaten by some guy and Kvothe only really cares because he's another guy. Yes, Auri is similarly mysterious but she's also mentally unstable she has a decent excuse. And at least her interactions seem genuine.

I realized, Denna isn't mysterious. She's a stranger. She may as well be any other character that's been written in a background scene at the university. We know just as much about her as we do a space filler. We know more about Kvothe's ukulele than Denna.

How are we as readers supposed to become emotionally invested in an empty vessel?
That might work for Kvothe but I need a bit more than that. Rothfuss can literally write anything about Denna and it could fit the story she's that blank of a character. "Is she an alien? A ghost? A Mrs. Hyde to someone's Dr. Jekyll?Is she female???"

JaphiaHart wrote: "I just realized what annoys me most about Denna. Yes, it's that she's "sooo mysterious". But she's only mysterious because Kvothe can't be bothered to learn anything about her. If Kvothe actually c..."

Ukelele? Don't let him hear you say that. He plays a lute. You make a really good point about Kvothe's rslationship with Denna. She is something of a stranger. But you have to consider that he is terrified of pushinh her away. I believe when they were together on that rock and she was slightly high on Denner sap she blabbed something about him being so cautious. He kept it to heart.

This might be another of his regrets. That he never got to know her any better.

I believe we are overanalyzing this whole Denna thing. This reading too much between the lines is making us lose sight of the whole picture. Did you guys expect her to be a flat one dimensional character? Who ever is? Denna is a typical human being and I love her for it. She loves Kvothe to death. He makes her feel cherished and with the life she lives, that's special.
So everybody, back off Denna and let Rothfuss do his magic. She's good people.
Thank you kindly

She likes him....but I wouldn't say loves him to death...I'm not a big fan of hers but I don't hate her. They are very similar people though...

I agree with slick, according to the books we can infer that Denna likes Kvothe but that's about it.

I don't really hate "her" as much as Kvothe's treatment of her. She's a manic pixie dream girl instead of a full formed character. At least Kvothe doesn't think of her as a complete person. "Oh she just disappears randomly then comes back months later with a new name. that's just her way." No, people don't do that without a good reason. A better reason than boys really like her and won't leave her alone. I hate that she's being treated like she's one dimensional by Kvothe when she obviously isn't.

^^I agree with this guy. That's perfect!!
It's just this way he drones on. She's a decent enough character. Pretty, smart, talented, charming, witty and so on its just his way of droning on and on always waffling on about her that makes me roll my eyes. No matter how much he likes her their relationship doesn't feel quite right... He happily goes on to be a third wheel when she's with another guy. Playing him off other guys... Inviting him out to accompany her with guys.... She knows what she's doing...

Brzk wrote: "Hello Lucas,

Could you please give an example from the book where Denna uses Kvothe?"

Well,it seems like there is a perpetuating cycle to their relationship: Denna gets hurt by a suitor, runs to Kvothe to make her happy, leaves once she has been satisfied. The cycle repeats over and over again.

Lucas wrote: "Brzk wrote: "Hello Lucas,

Could you please give an example from the book where Denna uses Kvothe?"

Well,it seems like there is a perpetuating cycle to their relationship: Denna gets hurt by a sui..."

Unlike Kvothe, Denna has to make ends meet in the real world. Her beauty is an asset she uses to do this and coming to Kvothe has nothing to do with heartache.

Slick wrote: "She likes him....but I wouldn't say loves him to death...I'm not a big fan of hers but I don't hate her. They are very similar people though..."

I would personally have loved to see Kvothe hit it off with Auri or Devi but it's Denna he loves and the heart wants what it wants

@Sydney - I disagree with their relationship she seems to use Kvothe to put pressure on her dates by bringing Kvothe along with her on her outings with guys, she plays them off of each other to pull one more squeeze out of the guys before she ditches them and to tease Kvothe a little.

I also disagree about her making ends meat in the real world, Kvothe has been there and done that, until the latter part second book he had like one set of ripped set of clothes and no money, she was wearing fine clothes and jewels most the time.

But i do agree with you that i don't fault her either for making ends meat the way she does, it's a tough world for a woman. It's not the fact that she whistles that annoys me but the fact that Kvothe barks back if you get my meaning..haha

Always more a Fella fan myself but that ships sailed now i think...LOVE DAVI and AURI.

Sure she uses her beauty to get ahead. But to what end? What rational person skips town and changes their name after a bad breakup? Then COMES BACK like nothing happened. What kind of sense does that make?

And what's the point of her dating so many different rich guys then dumping them when want to commit? Is that why you do that? To marry a rich guy so you're set? I think there's more to it than that. There's probably a pattern in her suitors. Something she's getting from them that's more than just jewelry.

But Kvothe doesn't think any of these things cause "gosh, she's just so pretty"

Sure she uses her beauty to get ahead. But to what end? What rational person skips town and changes their name after a bad breakup? Then COMES BACK like nothing happened. What kind of sense does that make?

And what's the point of her dating so many different rich guys then dumping them when want to commit? Is that why you do that? To marry a rich guy so you're set? I think there's more to it than that. There's probably a pattern in her suitors. Something she's getting from them that's more than just jewelry.

But Kvothe doesn't think any of these things cause "gosh, she's just so pretty"

@ JaphiaHart
you raise a good point about Denna getting something from her suitors. They're all very wealthy, entitled individuals. I'm wondering if she is trying to access their archives or libraries, similar to what Kvothe is trying to do with the Maer.

I think she is being trained by a member of the Amyr.
That's why the Cthaeh was provoking him and setting him up..

"lovely as the moon, not flawless perhaps, but perfect."