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message 1: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments I guess 'nothing' is the absence of whatever you're looking for...?


message 2: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Nothing is a vacuum. In a perfect vacuum, there is nothing.


message 3: by Emily (new)

Emily (emilyamazingxx) | 2237 comments Nothing is your mom.

No but seriously, nothing is just a word.


message 4: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Nothing is your face.


message 5: by Emily (new)

Emily (emilyamazingxx) | 2237 comments Nothing is your volleyball.


message 6: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Nothing is volleyBALLS TO YOUR FACE

What, who said that? X)


message 7: by Marley (new)

Marley (Marleyme95) | 5270 comments There is no such thing as nothing, because nothing is something!

Haha, good question...


message 8: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments It depends on the context.


message 9: by Ruchi (new)

Ruchi (ohlookitsruchi)


message 10: by James (new)

James Wilkinson | 205 comments Nothing is the most flattering thing that can be said about George Bush's contribution.


message 11: by [deleted user] (new)

Nothing is what my dog barks at 24/7.


message 12: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments LOL Zeppelin


message 13: by [deleted user] (new)

Nathan wrote: "Nothing is what you experience when you die."


well, you wont know until you die...



message 14: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Typical teacher ^^


lol


message 15: by [deleted user] (new)

Nathan wrote: "well, you wont know until you die...

Incorrect. You won't know when you die."



??? wtf?




message 16: by Ruchi (last edited Sep 18, 2009 09:36PM) (new)

Ruchi (ohlookitsruchi) *Maria*the cat spirit* wrote: "Nathan wrote: "well, you wont know until you die...

Incorrect. You won't know when you die."


??? wtf?

"


You can't know anything when you are dead.


message 17: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Perhaps you do when you're dying.


message 18: by byhera (new)

byhera (ordinary) | 44 comments nothing is the begining of something


message 19: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments So 'nothing' is a temporary state?

I still think it depends on the context. Kira, we need a context...


message 20: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Yes. You might see it coming in your last moments.

I don't want to know, anyway. It'd only depress me X)


message 21: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
...that could be an intelligent thought?

I agree.


message 22: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Kira wrote: "nothing cannot be the absense of what you are looking for. if you are locking a pond and you wnat to find a frog, but find a fish, is that fish nothing? and nathan, who said you know what happens w..."

I meant that's how we use it. That's how everyone uses it in everyday conversation.

What do you think nothing is?


message 23: by Ruchi (last edited Sep 21, 2009 02:18AM) (new)

Ruchi (ohlookitsruchi) Kira wrote: "nothing cannot be the absense of what you are looking for. if you are locking a pond and you wnat to find a frog, but find a fish, is that fish nothing? and nathan, who said you know what happens w..."

Let F be the case in which you have found the frog (or a frog?)
Let ~F be the case in which you did not find a frog.

According to what Lorna's definition, ~F would be nothing, or the absence of the small reptilian in question.

You have found a fish. Nobody ever said anything about a fish. A fish is most obviously not nothing. It is a fish. I like it best when its roasted or fried with light spices.


message 24: by Lorna (last edited Sep 21, 2009 04:01AM) (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments It was me that said that nothing is the absence of what you're looking for. And the context for my suggestion is everyday language.

Technically and scientifically Lauren is right. A vacuum.


message 25: by Lorna (last edited Sep 21, 2009 04:01AM) (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments ...unless a vacuum itself is something...then there really is no nothing...


message 27: by Ruchi (new)

Ruchi (ohlookitsruchi) Oops, my bad. I've edited my post.


message 28: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments All good :)


message 29: by [deleted user] (new)

Zeppelin wrote: "*Maria*the cat spirit* wrote: "Nathan wrote: "well, you wont know until you die...

Incorrect. You won't know when you die."


??? wtf?

"

You can't know anything when you are dead."


unless theres an afterlife




message 30: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Prove it


message 31: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Freedom is having nothing left to lose.


message 32: by [deleted user] (new)

And here she thought she'd stumped you. Ha hah.


message 33: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) Nothing is the abscence of something in a place where there should be something, but that place could be something, nothing is not something and something is not nothing, nothing =/ something, but something can be nothing, therefore it is not commutative, but still nothing will not be something no matter what that something is and your state of consciousness is how we envision something and it is physically impossible to imagine nothing.

Nothing is what blind people see, what deaf people hear, what misers spend and spendthrifts save, what the rich don't have, the poor require, what men carry to the grave and Buddhists desire. "D


message 34: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Freedom's just another word for NOTHING left to lose. Oh wait ... I said that already.

Il n'est rien.


message 35: by [deleted user] (new)

nothing is just nothing.


message 36: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) *Maria*the cat spirit* wrote: "nothing is just nothing. "

No it isn't.



message 37: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments J wrote: "And here she thought she'd stumped you. Ha hah."

Lol I know Nathan well enough to know he won't ever be stumped.

Nice theory, Nathan. Emphasis on theory.


message 38: by Ruchi (new)

Ruchi (ohlookitsruchi) Lorna wrote: "J wrote: "And here she thought she'd stumped you. Ha hah."

Lol I know Nathan well enough to know he won't ever be stumped.

Nice theory, Nathan. Emphasis on theory."


Is there anything that would make you think otherwise? ;) Like evidence of a cognitive spirit, for example? Oh, be right back. I'm going to go watch Doctor Who for a bit :P


message 39: by [deleted user] (new)

what is it?


message 40: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Does there being an afterlife need physical conciousness? Of course you're not concious after you're dead - your brain is dead. But you can't prove that people don't have souls, which (apparently) is what lives on in an afterlife.


message 41: by [deleted user] (new)

To be conscious, you need a brain. If your brain doesn't work, you aren't conscious. If you aren't conscious, you aren't living. If you aren't living, you don't have life. If there's no life in the afterlife, then there's no afterlife.


message 42: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Does a soul need a brain? I mean if there's such thing. It's told that no, it doesn't.


message 43: by [deleted user] (new)

If not your consciousness, what is a soul?


message 44: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
"But you can't prove that people don't have souls, which (apparently) is what lives on in an afterlife. "

Your brain controls everything. There is nothing for a soul to do ergo it is silly to assume there is sucha thing.


message 45: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments I have no idea. I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just pointing out that you cannot disprove the existence of an afterlife, or souls for that matter.


message 46: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Yes you can. In this case, the absence of evidence is enough. If you assume souls exist, so many illogical and unanswerable questions pop up, it's folly to continue with that line of thinking.


message 47: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments So the absence of evidence is enough to disprove something? Bullshit. You can assume, but you cannot prove.

And God forbid the birth of some difficult questions. We wouldn't want our scientists and goodreads debators to feel inadequate, would we?


message 48: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
"1935279 So the absence of evidence is enough to disprove something? Bullshit. You can assume, but you cannot prove. "

The absence of evidence means an innocent verdict instead of guilty. The absence of Santa means he's not real.

"If you assume souls exist, so many illogical and unanswerable questions pop up"

Souls have nothing to do, as everything about your mind and personality can be found in your brain, even the electric impulses that keep you alive can be observed


message 49: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Ok. You say you fell down the stairs. I didn't see it. There's no evidence. Therefore, it didn't happen.

People believed that the earth was flat. There was no evidence that it was round.

Just because there's no evidence, that doesnt prove ir disprove something.

'The absence of evidence (of a soul) means an innocent (possible) verdict instead of guilty (false).'

I really don't even know why I'm bothering.


message 50: by [deleted user] (last edited Sep 23, 2009 03:25PM) (new)

If someone fell down the stairs, there would be evidence. They would probably be hurt, there might be other witnesses, etc.

If there is no evidence and no reason to think something exists, why waste your time thinking it does?


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