The Malazan Fallen discussion

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‘Be rid of it. And if you come up with any more of your own thoughts, Arathan, keep them to yourself. Better yet, crush them. You are not the one to challenge Tiste ways.’

Oha, Erikson's typical foreshadowing. But then again the very next sentence is all about Draconus again. It'll be interesting to see whether there's more to Arathan than just to tell us Draconus' story from his POV.

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I'm so going to miss the dialogs between Sagander and Arathan.

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First signs of a convergence? T'riss and now Grizzin Farl (mate to Kilmandaros, very interesting because major The Crippled God spoiler: (view spoiler)[Draconus is chasing and eventually killing Kilmandaros in TCG (hide spoiler)]) are heading towards Kharkanas.

I just can't see Sagander not coming back to cause major issues. I was kind of hoping Arathan would end up killing him at some point.

Grizzin Farl is now the first Thel Akai we meet. I wonder what their society will be at this point.

Sagander is a douche, and deserves it. Everyone is awful to Arathan and he just takes it.

He's a better son/student than Draconus/Sagander deserve.

I was reading book 2 for the first time then started this book with u guys. As I read on I realize how much I miss Malazan. I mean this book is good enuf but still isn't malazan and I always feel that something is kind of missing.


Anyhow.. Page 126... Finally! First piece of action since the start of this book!!! Got me super excited and Arathan is growing to be a deep person with a unique character and point of view. Hellar, you are no warhorse. You are a soul-mate!

Erikson has a thing for horses. In Malazan we met a guy who had his face bitten off by a Gral horse. Then on this there was a guy with his arm bitten off and now leg stamping boot scooting war horses.

Grizen Farls mate is Kilmandaros, which is really interesting. Good point in your spoiler David, but also consider this. (view spoiler)[ the Furkul Assail worshipped Kilmanderos as their God. (hide spoiler)]

" I did not know, sir."
" did not know what ?"
" that love needs a cause."
2nd hit after the question at the household !! Go Arathan !!!

Jassem (James) wrote: "" I did not know, sir."
" did not know what ?"
" that love needs a cause."
2nd hit after the question at the household !! Go Arathan !!!"

I highlighted that same spot Jassem.

I meant to bring that up, just to clarify my own thinking:

So Arathan stopped his father dead by telling him he loved him/saying he didn't know he needed a specific cause to love his father?

Draconus was shocked at the idea, and Arathan was dumbfounded at his father's shock.

Or am I off here?

That's the way I see it, Rob.

It seems as though Erikson is getting ready to upset the status quo in this world from the discussion between Sagander and Arathan about weakness then the follow up between Draconus and Sagander on the same subject, the warhorse scenes and now this small spot concerning love.

It's obvious Draconus has underestimated Arathan but I also think Arathan underestimates himself as well.

Oh for sure. Everyone underestimates Arathan at this point, and he's probably top of that list.

Then again I don't know now you can expect someone to have any self confidence when you grow up being surrounded by people who tell you that you're shit.

Jassem (James) wrote: "" I did not know, sir."
" did not know what ?"
" that love needs a cause."


Yes, that was one of those moments of pure magic that SE is so good at!

Guys this malazan community is awesome and thank u for letting me be a part of it. Love the idea sharing and discussions

Random thoughts:

This is 2nd time (I think) that Aratham almost drowning has been mentioned. It seems like something is there, but I don't know what.

Aratham reminds me of someone from the original series, but I'm not sure who. Anyone else feel that?

So that old man punches really hard, huh? Seemed a little unrealistic, even with helm-gate.

As to the issues of Aratham getting pity-sex... Is it implied in this world that a lord can command his subordinates to do anything he wants... I know he doesn't command her to do so, but that implies he could.

I really like it when SE follows characters for awhile (unless they are shake or snake).

Rob wrote: "Then again I don't know now you can expect someone to have any self confidence when you grow up being surrounded by people who tell you that you're shit. "

So true. With Sagander as your tutor, an inferiority complex is almost a given.

I LOVED this chapter....things are starting to take off for sure...

Is it only me, but is anyone sure too, we heard of Grizzin Farl somewhere in Malazan?

Johny wrote: "Is it only me, but is anyone sure too, we heard of Grizzin Farl somewhere in Malazan?"

Nope, he's a "new" character.

But I am sure I heard about him somewhere.. Also, David, where are your detailed and awesome summaries? :( Are they "available" only on reread?

Ha, found him!

(view spoiler)[I searched DoD and TCG and in DoD there is mention of him, where Sechul Lath is talking to Errastas in second part of chapter 11.

"'Draconus is lost within Dragnipur. Nightchill's soul is scattered to the winds. Grizzin Farl
vanished millennia ago. And Edgewalker might well deny any compulsion out of sheer
obstinacy or, possibly, a righteous claim to disassociation.'
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Oh, good memory! Thanks.

Johny wrote: "Also, David, where are your detailed and awesome summaries?"

You're probably thinking of David Sven (one of the moderators). He's no longer active on goodreads and didn't participate in this read.

Oh, right. That's really unfortunate.