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Has anyone ever seen a ghost? Well, I have...When I was about 8 years old we lived next door to my mom's sister, my aunt Susie and her kids. It was a duplex which had a common front porch with one set of stairs and also had a common back porch with one set of stairs which led into a common area and then each house had it's own door.
At the time I knew at least two things about my auntie. She was very ill and she was also pregnant! As fate would have it she died as her child was reaching full term, and they were able to save Jeffrey but she never got to see him.
One afternoon shortly after this tragedy I was sitting on the back steps of the house when I suddenly saw this figure in a white dress and black hair come floating out from behind the rear house and approaching where I was sitting. As she came closer I bolted into the common porch area, ran into my house and slammed the door.
Even at that young age I knew this was something unusual, something strange and even unbelievable, so I vowed to keep it within myself forever and never tell a soul! And I didn't until corroborating evidence came forth.
About a week later Jack, the widowed husband was talking to my mom and he told her that something strange had happened. He said that awhile back he noticed that someone had pulled the sheer cloth covering from over the baby's bassinet and that there was a few drops of blood on the baby's blankets.
My mom didn't know what to make of it, but I did! I saw Susie's apparition approaching that afternoon and got out of her way. She was coming back to see her new baby and left a trace of blood, which was one of her symptoms from her illenss, her nose would bleed!
You may ask as I did, why me? I don't know except to say, that I seem to have some kind of spiritual sensitivity and don't find the event strange at all. I suppose we all do which is why we're in this group. I finally did tell my mom the whole story, but it was many years later, even now I've only told it maybe ten times...one mustn't appear 'out there' even if they are! lol
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Here's a good one. My son and I used to frequent a Home Depot in Upstate NY. My little house needed fixing, and that's back when the prices were reasonable. He was a toddler at the time. No matter what I did, feeding him first, bringing him to play at McDonald's play place, bringing him toys or books, he would be visibly upset whenever we went there. He didn't like the "man" that was there, and he'd always wind up hiding underneath all the shelving, and it would take me some time to get him out. He really didn't have this type of reaction at any other stores.
A year or two later, we learned that the place was built over an Indian burial ground where a battle happened. By then, my son was able to verbalize better, so he seemed to make a connection when we found out. He stated that was why he always saw the man with all the feathers there. We now know he saw an Indian chief in full headdress.
I think it happens to a lot of kids, but we're taught not to speak about it or be afraid of it. I try not to do this with my kids. I think it's just a natural part of life.
That is a good one Kirsten! I've read that it has something to do with the 'fontenelle or 'soft spot' on the top of children's heads. Since they've just come from the spirit world they are still very much connected and can 'see' things that older people cannot. Then as they age and the bones in their head fuse together they seem to lose this capacity. Of course, some people seem to retain this sensitivity all their lives...Judy's daughter used to have an imaginary friend when she was a child which everyone went along with. One day while looking at family pictures Sarah pointed her friend out from a group of family members that has passed on! Everyone listening got the feeling of chills running through them when they pondered that.
These facts are certainly stranger than fiction and explain more of what many of us have experienced than the traditional stuff we're taught.
Hopefully your son is no longer afraid of Indian chiefs, I'm sure he was just hanging around his homeland for awhile and meant no harm. Although Home Depot had to be somewhat of a culture shock for him!
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We had a similar experience with imaginary friends too! My son, again, had a friend he called Davin. I kept asking him, don't you mean David. He'd shake his head (four years old, by the way), and say, no, Davin. There was an incident where my son got nervous because of what Davin was doing, so we asked Davin to leave.
Three months later, we received a message from one of my husband's friends in Canada. He had just had a baby son. His name... Davin!
That's uncanny! They say that the veil is thin between this world and the next. A friend of mine told me that when his mother was on her death bed and they were all gathered around her that she suddenly looked up and started calling the names off of relatives who had already passed on! Then she was gone!
Maybe it can work in the reverse as well. Souls that are about to be born into this plane of existence can project their presence here and be known and communicate with some chosen people prior to their actual physical birth!?
Usually, from what I've read, there would most likely be a previous connection between the two; brothers or good friends in a previous life time for example...
What is of concern though is that you had to ask Davin to leave. I wonder why and ponder if it will have an effect in either or both of their lives as time goes on.
What is your son's name if I might ask, and is he your only child?
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My husband and I knew my daughter would come several years before her arrival. A psychic brought through my daughter, nailed my son's and husband's name, even the fact that I had started eating eggs every day (experimenting with weight loss), and several other interesting factoids that all came true, even several years later.
One of the things she told me was that I would have a daughter, but she would make us wait for several years, and she did. It is the most amazing reading I've had to date. John Edward, eat your heart out. Everything the lady said came true, including the fact that my daughter would be in our pink bedroom as my husband cared for her while I completed my internship for my degree in mental health counseling. I know to this day that my daughter did reach out to us to give us hope and anticipate her arrival so we wouldn't give up trying.
Wow, that's awesome! I'm not real religious, but I am spiritual and sometimes think that when the Bible says that in the last days "He will pour out His spirit" one of the meanings is that people with advanced skill sets will be born on earth in order to give the earth a brighter future! Your family seems to be blessed with quite a bit of insight, foresight, etc. and why not, we're really infinite beings and have untold abilities to explore and master.I've heard of souls in the next world choosing the time, circumstances and family's they will be born into in order to serve many purposes. As in your daughters it seems she had stuff to finish 'there' before coming here and answering both your prayers.
Am I off base or do you see it in a similar light?
Great that you got one of each, a boy and a girl. My first wife wanted boys badly but we ended up with four daughters, ok, I can only make girls, but she now has a two grandsons, so she also had to wait and is very happy now!
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I think we all choose where we are going to go. My daughter helped solidify that belief.
It's been a wild ride, that's for certain. I have many true stories between my husband and I. This is why I love writing fiction in these genres so much.
I think there's always a strain of truth in fiction, at least where the writer is concerned.
With four girls, you could have lots of grandkids. That's a lot of fun. What a blessing.
Not to make light of your discussions, but your stories about your children reminded me of one with my own son that was quite mysterious to me at the time..... one evening when he was two or three, he refused to go to bed as normal and actually began crying, telling us "spin spot, spin spot..." We decided to take him out for a little evening drive hoping he would just fall asleep. But as we drove down the road he began to give us directions about which way to turn. I followed his route and ten minutes later when we passed by a Target store, he shouted "spin spot! spin spot!", obviously referring to the store's famous logo. Later we found out that he had had been pouring over an advertisement for toys on sale at Target that we got in the mail. My wife had to pick up something, so we went inside. I took my son to look at the toy section and within minutes he was asleep.
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Well, this conversation really does size life up a bit. We came from somewhere, we're here for awhile, and then we go somewhere! And it's all automatic; most of us don't have any real control of the when, where and why of our comings and goings...But, as evidenced by the stories here, and according to my beliefs, we, as spiritual beings do have the capacity to make these choices consciously!
I done some reading about advanced yogi's and in studying their 'miraculous abilities' I get or one can get a glimpse of what is possible to all of us!
One thing in particular is what's called a 'maja samadhi" or the souls conscious exit from it's physical frame! It's considered as an insult to be rudely dragged out of their bodies when death comes a calling.
I don't propose to be at that 'level' of mastery, but the thought does add credence to a soul's being able to pick the time and place of it's birth & passing on.
Food for thought..?
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Also, I'd love to be able to fly around like the yogis. I'm not exactly working on this, but I'm certainly open to it :). I'll drop by and give you a visit when it does :).
Yes, as soon as you are able, do come by! What's that? You're here already! Why you little omnipresent spirit you! If only we could manifest it, in time I guess…Judy wants to hit 100 and I'll stick around just to keep her company. But, personally, 90 sounds best to me, hopefully I'll have all my 'work' done by then and have my bucket list completed! )
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I guess it's about quality of life too.
My entire mother's side of the family were all well into their nineties before passing, and they survived the Holocaust. I can just imagine how long they would have managed to live if they didn't have that stress in their lives. Some successfully hid, and others were in the concentration camps.
Since I did not have the stress of being hunted, shuffled off to be a prisoner of war, and nearly starved to death, I hope to top 100. That would be nice.
Yes, quality of life is very important. We both have good chances, all of our parents are still living, middle to late eighties and grandparents on both sides lived into their nineties!! And we're both in excellent health, notwithstanding 10 excessive pounds or so…How tragic, heroic, courageous, for your mother's side of the family been forced to endure the Holocaust! I've always had an affinity for those who have suffered the atrocities of mans inhumanity towards man. And have supported and visited the Museum of Tolerance here in West Los Angeles.
Since I recently had my DNA analysis completed by Ancestry.com I was surprised and delighted to find that I am 1 percent european Jewish! But, along with the other trace nationalities like Irish, Scandinavian and others, it makes me wonder if my fascination with these cultures all my life was just due to a 'human' interest in general or if it was my trace DNA kicking in?
Obviously, I think Kirsten, you have a sensitivity for Jewish history, but would you say that it affects your politics and world views?
Or, is this off topic...
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I'm more sensitive to these matters now, I think, now that I've grown and matured considerably.
Although, I have many other experiences affecting my worldviews, so it's just a part of my history.
And, since I am anti-politics, I don't have many strong convictions on this, other than the government supporting and affording to each person equal rights.
My mother passed away when I was 19. She had cancer and at the end I was more the adult and care giver. It was a very hard time for me. When I moved back into the condo that I grew up in with her I felt something. When I was in the kitchen it would just feel like someone was in the master bedroom, which was obviously hers when I was growing up. Staying in that room as an adult just felt wrong, like I was intruding. When the previous tenant came to pick up some mail, I mentioned it and he said that he and his family had felt the same way while they were living there. I believe my mother is still looking over me and her grandchildren to this day 27 years later.
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Great! I think the course of this conversation reflects my mind set on these things. Basically, my first priority is spiritual matters concerning the meaning of life and the relationship of soul and spirit, and all the 'goodies' that go along with it. Thus my interest in this forum and it's 'other worldly' theme. However, in my daily life I keep getting drawn into the world of politics and human causes, which draw me away from spiritual pursuits…
Basically, as with you, fundamental human rights and their achievement, as referred to in our Constitution & Declaration, occupy my mind on a daily basis. But, there is just so much to know…
Specifically, I've taken up the topic and cause of Native Americans and the atrocities that have befell them in the course of our history. Not to begrudge the past, but rather to define the future by embracing the promises, for ALL people, contained in our founding documents.
More to topic and in response to Tracy, I've read that our loved ones will/do stay close to the veil initially and sometimes longer, both because they want to initially, and because 'we' want them to over the long run…When I lost one of my four daughters it was/is tragic of course, and I'd say that since then, back in June 2009, I'd had 'contact' with her, felt her presence in the room etc. (Although I've read that in some cases a physical appearance can happen as well, that is not my experience)
Now though, Jeannine and I meet at the edge of the veil on occasion, it seems, when either I need it or she does, it just seems to happen when you feel their presence very strongly and 'know' that they are there.
Otherwise, I think there are other things she is off and doing in her 'next' life and I don't try and keep her near…I just know that we will always be connected through the mind and heart of God!
This is not meant as advice, as there is no right or wrong, merely exchanging experiences. My heartfelt condolences, even though we know their identity continues on, the grief of loss in normal and ongoing.
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I'm sorry to hear about your daughter, sfescoto.
Thank You Kirsten. I've always had an interest in the afterlife and things spiritual, but when Jeannine passed on it took on a whole new meaning. I've had to reframe my entire belief system and add structure to the somewhat nebulous domain of the afterlife. I've gained some measure of certainty, not necessarily in the details but in the fact that life goes on and I'm come to greater grips with my own mortality! Now all I can say is that it's as if she is away at college. I have certainty that she still lives, I miss her and I send her my love everyday.
One of the most comforting cards I received from a friend went like this: "Jeannine is not gone, she has just gone on ahead" to which I added when Whitney Houston passed, "to sing in other worlds" since singing was a passion of hers.
Thanks for expressing your condolences, it's been a very nice experience writing about it and remembering all those wonderful things about her ~ Steve
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Thanks for sharing your wonderful memories about her, Steve.
steve number 2 here. Any new Time Travel book out??
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I used to have ferrets in the 1990s. My first was a red-eyed white I named Mhaire. This was before I understood how the Irish language worked. I gave her the possessive form of the name, but I digress. Of the four ferrets I had, she was the most "lady-like." I was going to Ireland when she got sick in 1998. I left her at our vet for observation. My parents agreed to pick her up. After I left, Mhaire died. My father, afraid I would turn around and come home, decided not to tell me until Monday when I had settled in.
I was with a group of archaeologists and was unpacking, when I saw a familiar flash of white. For a moment I thought Maire had some how snuck into my suite case, until I remembered I'd taken her to the vet. Monday, my mother finally told me she had died.
I think Mhaire was just letting me know she was all right and was just saying "until we meet again."
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I had the same thing happen to me. We had a white goat with beautiful horns my son was attached to named Time Wizard. He was sweet and had a really nice temperament. He had passed because he had gotten his beautiful horns stuck in the fence and snapped his neck.
Some time afterwards, I was outside in the field and I saw a white flash out of the corner of my eye. We have also smelled his musky scent in the house. My husband also saw a shoe levitating in the air, and then he smelled the goat. He told Time to put down the shoe, and the shoe dropped to the floor.
I think most people have stories like this. I'm glad the veil is lifting and people are not as afraid to share these beautiful reminders that we all live on.
There is another Steve thatvpost here. Just was in a silly way letting all here that there are two different steves. Lol. Great discussions here. I was asking about time travel.I like reading scifi stories about it. AndI have read some studies about it
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There's nothing wrong with two Steve's being in this group; as long as one isn't the doppelganger of the other. No clones, drones or scones! Okay, a scone or two with a cup of joe in the A.M. is allowable! ) Look at me making rules...lol
I haven't given time travel too much thought, but have heard that time isn't passing, it's us that are passing through time. Time is a fabric with past, present and future already in place and we are just like dots occupying one point of it.
I've heard of some yogi types being able to predict events 10, 20, 30 years in advance!
Or, were we talking about actually moving our consciousness into the past and/or future and experiencing them first hand?
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Okay, a scone or two with a cup of joe in the A.M. i..."
Scones are yummy! I'll have some with green tea, please.
I was thinking along the same lines. Time travel can be real in a metaphysical sense too, for instance, revisiting past lives, or having a prophetic vision, as this part of us is more fluid. People have been able to "bilocate" in the present as well, or even take trips to other people's houses.
When most writers speculate about time travel, though, I think it's purely in the physical sense. And it's fascinating to think how this could be made possible. I'm still trying to wrap my head around teleporting. But, I imagine that if we could master teleporting, we would be one step closer to time travel.
Yeah, it's complex, that's for sure. I've got a few ideas on it but their half baked, I'll have to let them incubate a little and pick it up in the future, when I get there.
For now, another scone...and some green tea! Sounds delightful!
I was thinking to add to the fun we can experience in this group, we can discuss different phenomenons that fall under the areas of interest for this group. They could be related to a topic in a book, or they can simply be something crazy and real that happened to you that you can't explain, or some theory that you think rings true or is pure poppycock.
This is an open invitation. You can post your own post of this nature. Let me know if you need help (although you probably are better at navigating around goodreads than I am :) ).