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Group Reads - Nonfiction > May 2021 - The Origin of the Family

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message 1: by John (new)

John R I'll start off the nominations for May, with The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State by Friedrich Engels.


message 2: by lindsi (new)

lindsi | 95 comments Mod
i’m going to selfishly nominate a book i just bought to motivate myself to read it 😜 it’s “listen liberal: or, whatever happened to the party of the people?” by thomas frank. he was just on trueanon if anyone listens to that podcast!


message 3: by John (new)

John R lindsi,

So far we've only had 2 nominations from our 103 members, yet I bet that most of them could come up with interesting nominations for May.

I think that as group moderator you're able to send a message to all of us in the group - it might be worth sending a message encouraging people to nominate a book for May. We ideally want to give people as much time as possible to get hold of a copy of whatever book is chosen.


message 4: by lindsi (new)

lindsi | 95 comments Mod
just did it! sorry i didn’t know that was a feature lol


message 5: by William (new)

William | 7 comments Hey all! This is my first time recommending in the group, so my apologies if this isn’t the type of book enjoyed here, but how about Blood In the Water: The Attica Prison Uprising And It’s Legacy https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...


message 6: by abby (new)

abby jocelynn (abbyjocelynn) black marxism by cedric robinson* :)


message 7: by abby (new)

abby jocelynn (abbyjocelynn) also i’ve been wanting to read “revolting prostitutes”, but not sure if it fits the dynamic


message 8: by lindsi (new)

lindsi | 95 comments Mod
anything relating to communism, capitalism, revolutionary thought, race, gender, sexuality, imperialism, war, or politics is fair game lol so keep the suggestions coming!


comrade vixxen ☭ | 1 comments I’m going to recommend Blood in My Eye by George Jackson. I also have a pdf version if anyone needs it :)

https://redyouthnwa.files.wordpress.c...


message 10: by William (new)

William | 7 comments If nothing else, I appreciate the pdf link, Comrade Vixxen! Ive been wanting to read this book for awhile


message 11: by lindsi (new)

lindsi | 95 comments Mod
i wanna rescind my nomination of thomas frank’s book. i’m almost done with it and it’s bad lol

i’ll nominate “the deficit myth” by stephanie kelton instead


message 13: by lindsi (new)

lindsi | 95 comments Mod
Hey y'all, here's the link to the poll:
https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/2...--


message 14: by John (new)

John R Our poll resulted in a draw between The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State and Revolting Prostitutes: The Fight for Sex Workers’ Rights, so we've decided that we'll read Origin of the Family in May and read Revolting Prostitutes in July.

Origin of the Family is a fairly short book, and is readily available in a variety of editions. There is a PDF version available at https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx..., and an online version at https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...
A short study guide can be found at https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...

I hope as many comrades as possible will read the book, and participate in the discussion.


message 15: by John (new)

John R May Day Greetings to Comrades everywhere from a (partly) sunny Glasgow, Scotland! Where are you spending May Day?

I hope some of you will celebrate it by joining us in our May reading challenge - The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State.

And we don't need to worry about posts containing "spoilers" - so feel free to post your comments and thoughts as you read.


message 16: by John (new)

John R If you have time after The Origin of the Family, Cory Doctorow has made his first non-fiction book in years, How to Destroy Surveillance Capitalism., available free online on his podcast. There is also a five-part serialised reading of it. The link is https://craphound.com/category/destroy/


message 17: by lindsi (new)

lindsi | 95 comments Mod
hows everyone doing with engels? i gotta be honest, it’s a tough read for me. my translation is not contemporary english (don’t understand why it was translated to begin with, engels usually wrote in english) and is incredibly dense 😣


message 18: by Robert (new)

Robert Hill | 1 comments It's really dense and I don't think his writing style is flowing very easily so I am also having a hard time with it :(


message 19: by John (new)

John R I finished it today, and have to agree that its not the easiest of reads - although the second half of the book is a bit easier than the first.

My initial reactions are that the language is obviously dated, social anthropology has moved on since Engels wrote it, and some of the source material from Morgan is probably flawed.

But its hard to knock Engels scientific approach, and you have to give him credit for writing probably the first Marxist text on the role of women, and the nature of their oppression and exploitation.

Crucially, he made clear that women's oppression is "a problem of history not of biology" and he was deeply committed to the principle of equality for women.

On the whole, I'm glad that I read it and it's motivated me to do some follow-up reading.


message 20: by Alison (new)

Alison A | 14 comments I’m way behind and am only halfway through this book but I am loving it. It makes me consider new and fascinating ideas, so thank you to this group for recommending it!


message 21: by John (new)

John R Alison, or anyone interested in "the Origin of the Family..", might be interested in a presentation given by feminist and historian, Prof Mary Davis, and available to view at the Marx Memorial Library - https://www.marx-memorial-library.org....

The 2021 edition of the library's journal (Theory & Struggle) also contains an article by Prof Davis on "Women's oppression, the origin of the family, and the condition of the working class"


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