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Crime Junkie #2 (BWBRSA Operation Fireball 2.0)

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message 1: by Kailee (new)

Kailee Tetrault | 28 comments What appeals are made throughout the podcast and are they effective to listeners?


message 2: by Gabriella (new)

Gabriella Modica | 27 comments The appeals made in his podcast would be pathos and logos. The girls use direct phone conversations with the first hand whitnesses which creates an appeal to ethos because we can see that the girls are trustworthy since they have many first hand sources. Such as in this case they had the bartender and the waitress names Morgan who was the one who warned Jezz about the creepy man. Therefor this makes the girls seem very trustworthy and educated on the topic. They also make an appeal to logos because they use language such as "saved their lives" and "human trafficking" in order to make the reader feel scared and worried. It makes the listener care more and be scared when hearing these stories. They even go as far as including conversations with the FBI in this episode in order to prove the severity and terrifying events of this situation.


message 3: by Emily (new)

Emily Scheibly | 29 comments Gabriella wrote: "The appeals made in his podcast would be pathos and logos. The girls use direct phone conversations with the first hand whitnesses which creates an appeal to ethos because we can see that the girls..."

The fact that they were able to come up with so many sources that can make them credible makes it so hard to not believe what they are saying. They are really providing you with such concrete evidence, especially when including the FBI agents because they are so familiar with human trafficking since its there job to find these people, so in a way its like talking to a first hand source because they are so familiar with these type of people and cases.


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Jessica Burke | 24 comments Emily wrote: "Gabriella wrote: "The appeals made in his podcast would be pathos and logos. The girls use direct phone conversations with the first hand whitnesses which creates an appeal to ethos because we can ..."
Yes I agree there is major appeal to ethos in this podcast because the speakers are constantly confirming their credibility. Like you said they did this through first hand sources and included specific details that help better create the image for the story, and the conversations with the FBI confirm that this story is true. This leaves even more of an impact on the listeners


message 5: by Lili (last edited May 19, 2021 08:50AM) (new)

Lili Marcus | 38 comments The two main appeals they make are pathos and ethos. By interviewing two people that saw firsthand what was going on, the listeners can trust the speakers. They make the appeal of pathos by saying words like "human trafficking" ,"alone", and "rape". This invokes emotions like fear and terror. In addition, this podcast alone makes some listeners emotional because many women could relate to this story.


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Lili Marcus | 38 comments Gabriella wrote: "The appeals made in his podcast would be pathos and logos. The girls use direct phone conversations with the first hand whitnesses which creates an appeal to ethos because we can see that the girls..."
I agree! By including conversations with the FBI, the speakers strengthen their appeal to ethos. The FBI is one of the most credible sources and the fact that they have records of talking to the FBI, immediately gains listeners trust.


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Lili Marcus | 38 comments Emily wrote: "Gabriella wrote: "The appeals made in his podcast would be pathos and logos. The girls use direct phone conversations with the first hand whitnesses which creates an appeal to ethos because we can ..."
Yes! Not only does the FBI help their "case", the bartender and waitress's verbal disclosure significantly strengthens it. I think the most important evidence is from the people who were physically there and saw this situation unravel. They have first-hand experience with this case.


message 8: by Lili (new)

Lili Marcus | 38 comments In addition, by including other women's stories, they continue to strengthen their appeal of ethos. These speakers are credible because they have an overflowing amount of evidence. They show that this same situation has happened in many different cities in the span of a decade by telling countless amounts of true stories.


message 9: by Jon (new)

Jon Borkowski | 20 comments The speakers make the appeal of ethos. They use verbal evidence from the waitress, the bartender and the FBI. They also use many other girl's stories that all sound the exact same. They include all these stories that are the same for a reason. By having an abundant amount of evidence, the speakers are able to gain trust from listeners.


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Jon Borkowski | 20 comments Lili wrote: "In addition, by including other women's stories, they continue to strengthen their appeal of ethos. These speakers are credible because they have an overflowing amount of evidence. They show that t..."
They include the same story from different women for a reason. The speakers show the listeners that there is a pattern. Many other men are doing the same thing in different cities. The speakers believe that there is an "underground ring" of rapists that help each other out. By previously getting the listeners to trust them, the listeners believe believe their theory.


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Jon Borkowski | 20 comments Gabriella wrote: "The appeals made in his podcast would be pathos and logos. The girls use direct phone conversations with the first hand whitnesses which creates an appeal to ethos because we can see that the girls..."
I agree. Other words they used were "rapist", "leaving with different women" and "underground ring". These words cause listeners to feel scared and frightened. Because the listeners felt this kind of emotion, the speakers successfully made an appeal of pathos.


message 12: by Vincent (new)

Vincent Ziccardi | 23 comments In this episode of the podcast the girls created an appeal to pathos because of the certain diction they chose to use. They made the man out to be very creepy and the situation extremely suspicious. The way they made Jezz seem like her life was at danger because of the man at the bar, makes the listeners skin crawl. The girls use certain words such as "could have ended much worse" and more creepy sentences to make the listener really feel scared for Jezz and realize the severity of the situation.


message 13: by Emily (new)

Emily Scheibly | 29 comments The appeals that are made throughout the podcast are ethos and pathos. She shows her credibility by getting someone who is a professional to track down people who saw first hand what was happening to Jezz at the bar as well as interviewing the bartender and waitress that saw what happened. Getting all these point of views of the situation show that she is not just basing it off of one side of the story and that she isn't making up false biased information. This appeals to pathos because by using diction and certain phrases we get a very serious and spooked feeling. The listener feels very spooked especially when one of the people being interviewed, Johnny, said that when he hears Jezz's story a flood of memories came flooding back and especially when he said that the two fireball drinks being ordered was so familiar. This is so freaky because of the fact that he is so familiar with this situation happening. The idea that this had happened to so many other girls before is so horrifying and saddening that this was happening and none if these girls were probably as lucky as Jezz so have been informed what was happening.


message 14: by Emily (new)

Emily Scheibly | 29 comments Jon wrote: "Gabriella wrote: "The appeals made in his podcast would be pathos and logos. The girls use direct phone conversations with the first hand whitnesses which creates an appeal to ethos because we can ..."


This also creates a serious tone because of the diction that was used. Using words such as "rapist" creates such a serious tone because of how serious the word is. No one would use the word, especially a adult, unless their is a valid concrete reason to. Also the fact that they say "leaving with different girls" creates such a serious tone because these girls lives are in danger. These women are putting their lives are risk without them or anyone else knowing, and the man doing it hasn't been stopped because no one realizes until it has already happened.


message 15: by Kailee (new)

Kailee Tetrault | 28 comments I noticed the use of ethos throughout the podcast. Even though statistics and numbers may not have been provided their was credibility through their evidence. Co hosts were able to contact bartender Johnny and waitress Morgan who spoke to Jez throughout that night. The most eerie part for me was when Johnny said this man never came back after the Jez incident. Did he know someone was onto him? Did he start over again at a different bar? We may never know. By contacting the workers we were given more information that connected some of the missing pieces from the first episode. We were able to understand the situation from there point of view as well. They explain in detail why they acted how they did and the reasons for it. Overall they worked as a team to save Jez from what could've been a dangerous situation.


message 16: by Kailee (last edited May 22, 2021 07:10PM) (new)

Kailee Tetrault | 28 comments Lili wrote: "In addition, by including other women's stories, they continue to strengthen their appeal of ethos. These speakers are credible because they have an overflowing amount of evidence. They show that t..."

I agree I think the appeal to ethos strengthened as they included other women's stories and how this situation happens all around the country. The stories are too similar to be coincidental. After part 1 was released many women came forward sharing their similar experiences about how they were "told to order two shots of liquor" and then the original guy never showing up. This makes Jez' story credible because it is a situation that's happened too many times.


message 17: by Gabriella (new)

Gabriella Modica | 27 comments Lili wrote: "The two main appeals they make are pathos and ethos. By interviewing two people that saw firsthand what was going on, the listeners can trust the speakers. They make the appeal of pathos by saying ..."

Building off of what Lili has said, i think it is important to note that ethos is what made the listeners continue to listen and actually be interested in the story. Anyone can makeup a story and tell it, but by having direct phone calls from people who had seen the situation first hand, it makes the listener trust the speakers and realize that this is a real situation and it is very serious and scary.


message 18: by Reid (new)

Reid Paoli | 24 comments i think a appeal that is pathos. This story has a lot of play on your emotions. Young women being attacked by men to do horrible things. also that it has happened to many young women ll around the world. This story makes my stomach sick but the play with the emotions helps keep the listener interested. My emotions sky rocketed when i heard it to happen to many people throughout the US.


message 19: by Reid (new)

Reid Paoli | 24 comments Jon wrote: "The speakers make the appeal of ethos. They use verbal evidence from the waitress, the bartender and the FBI. They also use many other girl's stories that all sound the exact same. They include all..."
you are completely right! also how there were so many cases that has came forward you know that none of this could be made up. Also how they even recorded the phone calls with the workers just show how real this situation is


message 20: by Reid (new)

Reid Paoli | 24 comments Lili wrote: "Gabriella wrote: "The appeals made in his podcast would be pathos and logos. The girls use direct phone conversations with the first hand whitnesses which creates an appeal to ethos because we can ..."

to piggy back off your idea with the pathos, i know when i was listening that i was shocked to hear how many women that this has happened too and how close their encounters were. my heart dropped every time i heard the encounters and they kept on getting scarier and scarier


message 21: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Burke | 24 comments I agree with all of these points made. The impact of the podcast could not have been possible without the ethos because the first hand accounts is what draw people in. However the ethos is further developed with pathos , making it more interesting and leaving the listener with more emotion and something to think about. Including lines like "chilling" and :flooding memories." The first hand story about Jez could definitely leave an impact on people especially if something similar has happened to them in the past which could evoke past feelings and it goes to show these crime stories could be a reality for some.


message 22: by Jake (new)

Jake Pace (jakepace) | 20 comments Mod
The two appeals that are made throughout the podcast are pathos and ethos. The listeners know the girls are credible because they have first hand accounts that tell stories of what happened to themselves. The listeners also feel the tremendous emotion because the story is so horrifying, suspenseful, and real that it makes you feel bad for the people involved and scared for how it could potentially occur in your own life.


message 23: by Jake (new)

Jake Pace (jakepace) | 20 comments Mod
Gabriella wrote: "Lili wrote: "The two main appeals they make are pathos and ethos. By interviewing two people that saw firsthand what was going on, the listeners can trust the speakers. They make the appeal of path..."

I agree this story made me feel sick that stuff like this happens to innocent women. It appealed to my emotions and i also knew that the story was credible because it was first hand stories which made it more frightening.


message 24: by Vincent (new)

Vincent Ziccardi | 23 comments Lili wrote: "In addition, by including other women's stories, they continue to strengthen their appeal of ethos. These speakers are credible because they have an overflowing amount of evidence. They show that t..."
I agree and I feel they wanted to strengthen their story by including as many reputable sources as possible and account of trafficking and things similar to this happening. Adding the other women's stories makes the original more reputable and appeals to ethos.


message 25: by Vincent (new)

Vincent Ziccardi | 23 comments Kailee wrote: "I noticed the use of ethos throughout the podcast. Even though statistics and numbers may not have been provided their was credibility through their evidence. Co hosts were able to contact bartende..."
This is true and even with out the statistics and numbers the stories themselves are disturbing enough to appeal to listeners. Even hearing just the few stories of people is enough to make listeners believe them and feel a little sickened at the stuff that happens in the world.


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