Debates discussion

Is Climate Change a real deal? Are we in danger of the polar caps melting?
Or is this just political hype?

I believe that, while the climate has a habit of fluctuating, climate change in and of itself is not really a thing, or if it is, it isn't nearly as major as people would have you believe.

I want to hear your thoughts, and if people are interested, I would be happy to give you some evidence from credible sources that I believe supports my opinions.

I believe what they call climate change is really the Bible's prophecied birth pains.

Ooooh tell me more! This is actually a position I haven't heard before. I think my opinion might differ from yours, but I want to understand what you're saying before I debate it!

Climate change is literally aka Summer, spring, winter and fall. I'm kinda passionate about these things and I hope I don't offend anyone.

Lol see, I agree with you Liz! Climate change is literally half a degree temperature change over the past decade. And now the temp's actually going down... so what are we panicking about?

Yeah

It's gonna be 21 degrees tomorrow

Pianissimo wrote: "I believe what they call climate change is really the Bible's prophecied birth pains."

YESSSSS!!!!

Elizabeth L. {Attend me, Mortal} wrote: "It's gonna be 21 degrees tomorrow"

Lol!!!

Okay y'all really need to talk to me about this birth pains theory. I'm curious!!!

I think climate change is real.

Now, before you (metaphorically) kill me, I don't think it's real in the sense that the media tends to portray it.

As Pianissimo said, I think it is part of the prophecied birth pains. (For reference, check out Matthew 24:3–14 KJV: https://my.bible.com/bible/1/MAT.24.KJV) However, I also think that the earth goes through various cycles.

So yes, the climate is changing, and yes we humans are a partially responsible, but only partially and not to the extent as portrayed by the media.

Denali wrote: "Okay y'all really need to talk to me about this birth pains theory. I'm curious!!!"

Check out Matthew 24:3–14 KJV for the original reference!

Asia (semi–hiatus) wrote: "I think climate change is real.

Now, before you (metaphorically) kill me, I don't think it's real in the sense that the media tends to portray it.

As Pianissimo said, I think it is part of the pr..."

What do you mean when you say the climate is changing? And can you show me the specifics of the verse that would indicate this is a birth pain, and that it's real? Sorry, I just turned into a Team Policy debater and started cross-examining you...

Denali wrote: "Asia (semi–hiatus) wrote: "I think climate change is real.

Now, before you (metaphorically) kill me, I don't think it's real in the sense that the media tends to portray it.

As Pianissimo said, I..."

lol, np!

Birth Pains: https://my.bible.com/bible/1/MAT.24.KJV (see Matthew 24:3–14 KJV)

Climate Changing: seasons (lol), more natural disasters, and the like

I can elaborate later. . . .

I definitely see where you're coming from. We can definitely chat later!

Personally, I don't think that Global Warming is a thing. The Sun isn't coming closer. and the Earth has been around for a few thousand years and we haven't been burnt to a crisp yet. I think that yes, weather changes. It's never going to be the same year after year. it gets hotter, it gets cooler. But that doesn't mean we're gonna burn to death in the future....until I mean God burns the earth but you know what I mean

I agree with you, Kara. That pretty much sums up what I believe too.

Kara wrote: "Personally, I don't think that Global Warming is a thing. The Sun isn't coming closer. and the Earth has been around for a few thousand years and we haven't been burnt to a crisp yet. I think that ..."

i couldn't have said it better myself

Hi guys, I'd love to refer you to the Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, https://www.ipcc.ch), founded by the United Nations, which offers conservative estimates on climate change.

The IPCC assesses the scientific basis for climate change by examining and collating thousands of peer-reviewed studies and government reports. It has been awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

Their most recent findings (2021) are that for the last four decades, each decade has been successively warmer. They also find that it is virtually certain that the upper ocean has warmed.

Please find a summary of the physical basis for climate change here: https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/do...

Also, here is brilliant IPCC summary about the serious impacts of climate change: https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploa...

I love this take on entropy - very true. I certainly can understand this perspective and I don’t think it’s too far from what I believe myself (albeit from a secular viewpoint).

I assume when you say “the one who ultimately controls it”, you mean God? This is interesting, perhaps where we differ is I ultimately believe that this has been triggered by humans, and can be solved by us as well. Is it your belief that only He can fix these global changes?

( This is an aside, unrelated to human induced climate change. But I will note that there are techniques to predict natural climate changes and cycles. I don’t know much about paleoclimatology, but I found some links if anyone is interested. :)
https://www.climate.gov/maps-data/cli...
https://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife... )

Is Climate Change a real deal?
Or is this just political hype?

So there are 2 main questions that we need to answer here:
1) Is Climate Change a real deal? So what is 'climate change'? The concept of climate change is simple: it is a change in the usual weather. And we can see it happening. Whatever the circumstances, the climate is changing. That's undeniable, that's real. There are people living in impoverished nations that are being affected by the sudden change of the climate, so one fact that we can draw from this question is: climate change IS affecting humans

2) Is it a political hype?
Almost everything is a political hype. The question here is that: is THIS political hype about climate change beneficial or harmful? I believe it is beneficial, as I can't find any harmful disadvantages this might bring. As a matter of fact, humans are not easily convinced as we all have different perspectives. That's why the media and the GOV is so important.

All of the above leads to 1 question: should we act or should we not act? I've read the arguments that the grp members r having. Many ppl said that climate change is just a cycle. The question is 'so what'? It might be just a cycle, I'm not gonna deny that. But even if its just a cycle, its gonna affect us anyway. So I think instead of debating about whether climate change is real legit, we should come up with solutions instead, bc nature is not gonna care. We're basically nothing compared to the universe. Climate change may not be caused by humans, but nature is gonna destroy us unless we do sth. I believe it is our responsibility to protect ourselves, which is why I support the climate change movements.

Kara wrote: "Personally, I don't think that Global Warming is a thing. The Sun isn't coming closer. and the Earth has been around for a few thousand years and we haven't been burnt to a crisp yet. I think that ..."
but australia did burn.... ppl did die of the heat.... so i think we're gonna be burnt if we think like that
thats just my opinion if i offended u in ANY WAY im sorryyy....

Lavender Mystique wrote: "Is Climate Change a real deal?
Or is this just political hype?

So there are 2 main questions that we need to answer here:
1) Is Climate Change a real deal? So what is 'climate change'? The concep..."

Well said. I believe the impact of climate change is underhyped. It's going to affect every aspect of our supply chain across industries. If we don't adapt/mitigate, this will cripple economies. We spend a lot of time talking about what effect climate change will have on the environment, and not the devastating socioeconomic impacts. I think this makes a more compelling argument for climate action.

Lavender Mystique and Desdemona,
Thank you so much for speaking your minds and telling us what you believe! I can say that personally I disagree with you, mainly because I am a Christian and I believe that God has this under control, but I think I can also see where you're coming from. I'd like to hear more from both of you!

I'm sorry, I don't see cause for the mic drop? I've heard that more times than I can count.

Of course the world is gonna end at some point, I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet.

And the climate... it changes. The earth is on an axis and is in orbit around the sun. It changes a bit, and so the position changes a bit, too. In the 70's, people thought there was going to be another ice age. And yet.

Global warming exists, but that's not shocking.

Isabelle wrote: "Of course the world is gonna end at some point, I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet."

same

HURRICANE SEASON IS GETTING WORSE PEOPLE!!
Hurricanes are caused by the heat in the oceans. Hurricane is getting worse every. single. season. due to global warming. How on Earth(view spoiler)[ Pun included :> (hide spoiler)] could hurricanes be up in the 5th category(which was rare to see but is now a serious threat to the Gulf States) REGULARLY. Hurricanes are getting past the 3rd category almost every single time they enter the Gulf. So please, someone who believes global warming is a political hoax, how are hurricanes getting worse EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
Here's some evidence to back my opinion:
"The 2011 North Atlantic hurricane season had 19 named storms, seven hurricanes, and three major hurricanes." (view spoiler)[ https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/tropic.... (hide spoiler)]
"The 2021 Atlantic hurricane season was another one for the record books with 21 total named storms, including four major hurricanes." (view spoiler)[ https://www.wcnc.com/article/weather/.... (hide spoiler)]

Never said it was a hoax. Just that the Earth will perish at some point.

I 100% agree, and I wasn't attacking you directly at all. I think in >100 years we will be on Mars, because the Earth will just be too toxic to live on.

Allison wrote: "I 100% agree, and I wasn't attacking you directly at all. I think in >100 years we will be on Mars, because the Earth will just be too toxic to live on."

Definitely not taking this personally at all. Lol I think we'll all be dead in 100 years

Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "I 100% agree, and I wasn't attacking you directly at all. I think in >100 years we will be on Mars, because the Earth will just be too toxic to live on."

Definitely not taking this..."

Lol I hope not for the sake of my future grandchildren.

Allison wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "I 100% agree, and I wasn't attacking you directly at all. I think in >100 years we will be on Mars, because the Earth will just be too toxic to live on."

Definitel..."

The meaning was that I think the earth and every human will have died by then

Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "I 100% agree, and I wasn't attacking you directly at all. I think in >100 years we will be on Mars, because the Earth will just be too toxic to live..."

What if some humans move to another planet before then?

Allison wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "I 100% agree, and I wasn't attacking you directly at all. I think in >100 years we will be on Mars, because the Earth will just be ..."

My point is (basically) that the Universe and all of the physical will might no longer exist by that point

Not will might, just might. These fingers are just GREAT at typing.

Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "I 100% agree, and I wasn't attacking you directly at all. I think in >100 years we will be on Mars, because the Ear..."

Hm, I don't think I agree with you, but I respect your opinion.

Desdemona wrote: "Lavender Mystique wrote: "Is Climate Change a real deal?
Or is this just political hype?

So there are 2 main questions that we need to answer here:
1) Is Climate Change a real deal? So what is 'c..."

What proof do you have abt 'God has it under control'? I'm not a Christian, but I think that 'believing in God' and 'depending on God' are 2 different things. I'm sorry if, in any way, I offend your belief, but I do think that God will only help us if we take action 1st. In fact I think God can be the motivation for us to take action. I respect your belief, but I think the debate should be looked at in an unbiased pov, and that being the case, the argument you have is that God will take care of it all, which I believe is a leap of faith that we simply can't take.

For e.g, u just hit sb at school. Your father is gonna be summoned. Would your father be able to have things under control if you don't stop hitting ppl? No. I think this debate abt climate change and religious is the same. U hitting sb is like humans using up Earth's resources. Your father is like God. He cannot, and will not (if it's the wrong thing to do), help you, or 'have it under control'.

That's what I think abt this. Do tell me what u think abt my argument

Allison wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "Allison wrote: "I 100% agree, and I wasn't attacking you directly at all. I think in >100 years we will be on Mars, because the Earth will just be too toxic to live on."

Definitel..."

umm so do u mean that we shouldn't really try bc we're gonna be extinct anyway...? or do u mean sth else?

I definitely see what you mean, but you are (to some degree) taking out of context what we were saying, and our argument isn't that God will take care of it all. Most Biblical signs, which is what we're basing our opinion off of, would lead us to believe that the world will/could end sometime relatively soon. The earth was never meant to be a permanent fixture, and decays just like everything else. I mean, it's been here AT LEAST several thousand years, some believe millions... that's pretty good for not ending already. So, I apologize, my belief is in God so I can't give a completely unbiased pov, but our argument wasn't "just let Daddy fix it." The example you gave doesn't line up with what we were trying to convey, or even really what you thought we were trying to convey.

Isabelle wrote: "I definitely see what you mean, but you are (to some degree) taking out of context what we were saying, and our argument isn't that God will take care of it all. Most Biblical signs, which is what ..."

the response I wrote was for sb else, Denali, cuz she wrote 'God has it all under control. So I was writing abt that. But abt ur response, I do get ur point, that the Earth is gonna end sooner or later. Honestly, I believe that's true 2. But I also think that Climate change movements help a great deal of ppl who r suffering out there. the point im making is that even though we know we're gonna be extinct at some point, doing sth to help is still better than doing nothing at all. i get what ur saying abt how we're gonna die anyway, but what exactly r u trying to prove from that? that we shouldn't do anything?

Lavender Mystique wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "I definitely see what you mean, but you are (to some degree) taking out of context what we were saying, and our argument isn't that God will take care of it all. Most Biblical sign..."

My point was that the earth has already been around a long while, and that everything withers and fades, so it isn't a big surprise or emergency that this is happening. It's going to end at some point, it would make sense if this is the "beginning of the end" so to speak. Not 100% sure if you're a Christian to any degree, but there are numerous signs pointing to Revelation being fulfilled sometime in the near future. Revelation even brings up fire raining from the sky at some point. I imagine that would be quite warm.

Lavender Mystique wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "I definitely see what you mean, but you are (to some degree) taking out of context what we were saying, and our argument isn't that God will take care of it all. Most Biblical sign..."
Im not a Christian so Im not very sure abt the Revelation. But i dont think anyone regards climate change as surprising or anything, cuz ppl are pretty sure its gonna happen, just like u said. Knowing its gonna happen doesnt make ppl suffering any better though.... So I 100% agree with u abt all the thing u said regarding the end of the world, I just dont get what ur trying to say by that.... And u keep repeating that point of yours.....

I mean like, its gonna be the end of the world, so what? We're gonna sit back and wait? We're gonna do sth? Or what? That part is what im not clear abt ur argument.......

Lavender Mystique wrote: "Lavender Mystique wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "I definitely see what you mean, but you are (to some degree) taking out of context what we were saying, and our argument isn't that God will take care of ..."

My point is that there's a good chace that anything we try to fix might not even have long enough to run its course and make a change

..... We r goin around in circles.... I said we should do sth abt climate change, u said 'its gonna be the end of the world anyway'. I said 'so r u saying we shouldn't do anything at all?', u said 'my point is the world is gonna end anyway'. Andd i asked again what *final goal* r u trying to prove with that statement, u kept repeating ur statement, which has no *end goal*....
So im gonna put it this way: its gonna be the end of the world anyway, there's a good chance we might not be able to do anything, so what would u do?
1) Do sth to help
2) Do nothing
What would u choose, option 1 or option 2.....

Lavender Mystique wrote: "..... We r goin around in circles.... I said we should do sth abt climate change, u said 'its gonna be the end of the world anyway'. I said 'so r u saying we shouldn't do anything at all?', u said ..."

I guess that I'm saying do nothing, becuase it might not have any time to run its course and actually fix anything

I believe that the climate could change, but it's not a big threat. I read in a Christian book that because of the sin of Adam and Eve, the earth became corrupt, and the soil started becoming unfertile over time. God started thinking that maybe the world should end someday, and so the earth began deteriorating slowly over time. So I think that "climate change" is just the product of God doing this.