࿐ྂPro-Life࿐ྂ discussion

"Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

"What about when the mother's life is in danger?"

"Women don't regret their abortions."

"Fetuses are parasites."

"You don't know when human life begins: it's just a matter of opinion."

"The Bible says life begins at your first breath."

Ever heard any of these arguments? Ever been at a loss what to say? How to defend your convictions? Maybe you've wondered about some of these arguments yourself. If that's you, let's try to help each other find factual information and sources to answer these questions.

Over countless hours the past two years, I've been working to try to find answers to all of these nuances when it comes to abortion, and I've got quite a few sources saved in a document. In fact, I've found information on all of the above arguments. If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to share what I've found!

Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

"What about when the mother's life is in danger?"

"Women don't regret their abortions."

"Fetuses are parasites."

"You don'..."

Ahhh all these questions scare me😩 Please share that document with me. "Her body her choice" is the hardest to refute in my opinion.

Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

"What about when the mother's life is in danger?"

"Women don't regret their abortions."

"Fetuses are parasit..."

Okay! I'll see if I can change the sharing settings and get you the link. Just a warning, it's a little bit of a mumble jumble. I know where everything is, but I just add things as I find them and it's not super organized.

I'd actually say "my body, my choice" is one of the easiest arguments! Because of course, it's not her body! We all know that. Does a woman have four arms, four legs, and two heads during pregnancy? What part of the woman's body is missing after abortion if this is about the woman's body?

I (heh 😅) had another conversation over abortion. "My body, my choice" definitely came up, but I'd be curious to know what you think about the conversation (if you're willing to read it!). Is there anything you think I should've changed?

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

haha wow that is a great way to combat the "my body, my choice"! I've never thought if it in that way before.

Wow! that conversation really surprised me! I feel like people have the tendencies to really get defensive with their fists up on any type of social media these days, but wow! you guys were so civil! You all agreed to disagree so nicely!(except that one person who came in halfway) but it really did surprise me how they talked about pregnancy like it was horrible agony for 9 months. I've never been pregnant and probably won't be for quite a while but I had always viewed it as a wonderful beautiful thing not some horrid thing to be endured for 9 months.

Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

haha wow that is a great way to combat the "my body, my choice"! I've never thou..."

Yeah! I've definitely seen super mean and even hurtful people, but ofc other people are kind and thoughtful. It's like super easy for a talk about something like abortion to get heated up really quickly, but I just think as long as both sides are willing to have dialogue and can sympathize with each other, it will be okay!

But honestly, you bring up a good point. Pregnant women can still go about their daily work and play (unless they're professional athletes or like drinking lots of alcohol or something). I had a teacher who was some 35 or so weeks pregnant and she was still at school and teaching. It was the same, except that she could behave more grumpily than usual and not have the students complaining about it. XD

Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

haha wow that is a great way to combat the "my body, my choice"! ..."

haha especially in political things people can get so heated online(and in person too) 😅

Yes exactly it's not like the moment you are pregnant you become a victim of some parasite feeding off of you and slowly growing. It's a natural beautiful thing and a wonderful beautiful part of being a women.

Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

haha wow that is a great way to combat the "my bod..."

That's true. And you know, circumstances like r*pe and incest are very difficult (extremely rare, but still difficult), but is it ever right to build a culture of death like we're having here? We would never kill a child who was born, even if her father was a rapist and her mother despised her. Why in the world should we be doing that to children in the womb?

Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

haha wow that is a great way to com..."

Yes, it's so tragic, but how do you argue the statement that "You don't know when human life begins: it's just a matter of opinion."? How do you convince someone when life begins?

Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

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I'd say that depends on why the person is denying that life begins at conception. If they genuinely don't think scientists know, you can show them how 95% of biologists, both secular and religious, agree that human life begin at conception. The Fetal Position, at http://thefetalposition.com/conception/, also provides 25 peer-reviewed papers where scientists assert that mammalian life begins at conception. That means that every single abortion kills a human being.

If they end up not really caring for what science says and still have objections, I would just ask them for their opinion. The unfortunate thing is that the average person hasn't actually thought about when they believe abortion should be allowed and when it shouldn't be allowed. You could show them different stages of development and ask them when they think the fetus becomes a person worthy of life / when they think the cut-off point should be. Or you could just ask them first and then tell them how developed the preborn baby is at the time they answered. Most of the time, that's thought-provoking at least. :)

Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "Eloria wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: ""Her body, her choice."

"What about abortion in the case of _______?"

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Thats a great way to deal with it, thanks! also I had no idea that 95% of biologists believe life begins at conception! That is crazy that even with 95% of biologists agreeing that basically any type of abortion is ending life that it's still legal.

Honestly I kind of feel bad for abortion doctors now, what a horrible tragic job.

What about ectopic pregnancies?

Jennifer wrote: "What about ectopic pregnancies?"

Here is the American Association of Pro Life OBGYNs's stance on ectopic pregnancies.

https://aaplog.org/what-is-aaplogs-po...

Thanks Lilyyy

No problem! Ectopic pregnancies are really a shame. Random fact, though, but the abortion pill actually doesn't end an ectopic pregnancy, so for women who have one and try taking the abortion pill to end the pregnancy, there's a high chance of the pill not working and the pregnancy festering and infecting. The abortion industry doesn't talk about this, though, and it hasn't been addressed.

Lilyyy wrote: "No problem! Ectopic pregnancies are really a shame. Random fact, though, but the abortion pill actually doesn't end an ectopic pregnancy, so for women who have one and try taking the abortion pill ..."

What happens to the baby in that situation?

Alison wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "No problem! Ectopic pregnancies are really a shame. Random fact, though, but the abortion pill actually doesn't end an ectopic pregnancy, so for women who have one and try taking the..."

Basically, an ectopic pregnancy is when the embryo implants somewhere other than in the uterus. Most of the time, it's in one of the Fallopian tubes. Currently, there's very little chance of survival for an ectopic pregnancy (I think the ratio is 1:60,000,000...) and a very high chance of danger to the mother if the matter is left without treatment. Basically, the baby will die and everything will become infected unless a doctor intervenes. Personally, I think the medical field hasn't done enough to find a way to sustain the life and growth of an embryo outside of the womb, like with a man-made uterus. But that's just the unfortunate situation at the moment.

Lilyyy wrote: "Alison wrote: "Lilyyy wrote: "No problem! Ectopic pregnancies are really a shame. Random fact, though, but the abortion pill actually doesn't end an ectopic pregnancy, so for women who have one and..."

Ah. Thank you!

No problem!

That's actually really interesting... I have heard about the embryo donation thing, where you can place the embryo in another's womb? Wouldn't that technically work? (So like, you'd take the embryo out of the tubes and place it in the right place.)

The Jesus Fandom wrote: "That's actually really interesting... I have heard about the embryo donation thing, where you can place the embryo in another's womb? Wouldn't that technically work? (So like, you'd take the embryo..."

Yes, good point! I'm not sure about all the details about the surgeries for ectopic pregnancy, but even with an embryo that wasn't from an ectopic pregnancy, the chances of IVF working aren't very high. I also don't believe in IVF because it kills a lot of embryos.