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► UNSOLVED: One specific book > YA book about a tomboy who goes to Wales and poses as a boy on a horse farm. Read before 1996?, published late 1980s/early 1990s?

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message 1: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Hi guys,

I'm dying here. I've spent the last hour searching for a book I know I read in my early teens. This would have been no later than about 1995, and I believe the book was written in the late '80s or early '90s.

A young tomboy poses as a boy on a horse farm in Wales. I'm 99% certain it was set in Wales. She could have been a runaway. Or maybe she was a native of Wales, and other kids visited the farm and met her. She may have had a romance with a local boy or a visiting boy. Horses were definitely important to the story. Horse racing or horse riding or taking care of horses.

I think the girl was a teenager, at least 14. I'm almost positive this would have been categorized as YA rather than middle grade fiction. Bear with me, I know this sounds an awful lot like My Mother's Daughter, but I'm convinced it's a different book. I could have some of the details wrong, but I know I read a British (or UK-based) book matching this description in junior high or high school.

Thanks mucho for any help!


message 2: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Thinking on the book some more, I'm pretty sure it hails from the late '80s or early '90s, but there's a slight chance it could go back as far as the '70s.

Oh, and if it wasn't set in Wales, there's like a 1% chance it might have been set in Scotland. But I'm really pretty sure it's Wales.

I did a lot of deep diving and think I've managed to rule out everything on the Juvenile Fiction set in Wales list.


message 3: by Capn (new)

Capn | 3506 comments Was it part of a series, do you think?


message 4: by Capn (last edited Jul 19, 2022 12:56AM) (new)

Capn | 3506 comments Anything by Christine Pullein-Thompson, maybe?

(I'm guessing you trawled this list already: Horse/Pony Books For Middle Readers and Early Readers
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1... )


message 5: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments It didn't seem like part of a series. At least I didn't get that impression. I don't think it was so much a "horse book" as a book that happened to contain horses. But I could be wrong and the author might have been trying to appeal specifically to the horsey crowd.

Don't think it was by Pullein-Thompson, although she did write another book I had searched for, A Home for Jessie. It's possible I got this book around the same time. Possibly brought to me from overseas, so it may not have ever been pubbed in the US.


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bookel | 4032 comments Any of the Follyfoot series books by Monica Dickens?


message 7: by Capn (new)

Capn | 3506 comments bookel wrote: "Any of the Follyfoot series books by Monica Dickens?"

Yeah, before your reply I was going to ask about Monica Dickens as well. Also Patricia Leitch. But these are "horsey" books. Hmm.

Anything about the cover?


message 8: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Thanks so much, bookel, but I don't think it's Cobbler's Dream or any of the sequels. Looks way too old. Is there a tomboy who poses as a boy in any of the books?

And Capn, thanks for the link! I went through the list but nothing looked terribly familiar. My mystery book had more of a YA feel rather than middle grade, at least to my teenage eyes.

Can't remember anything about the cover. Vague feeling it might have been paperback, but that's just a guess. Possibly white, but could be wrong on that too.


message 9: by bookel (last edited Jul 19, 2022 01:21AM) (new)

bookel | 4032 comments Author in Wales Hilda Boden. http://hildaboden.ponymadbooklovers.c...
Haven't read the Follyfoot books yet, just randomly searching at the moment ...


message 10: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Thanks! Ruled out Hilda Boden, her books are just way too old and nothing looked familiar. But I did find a new title to add to the Wales list, so that was good.

Also ruled out Patricia Leitch. Nothing of hers seems familiar at all.


message 11: by bookel (new)

bookel | 4032 comments Obviously not a biography, but it was a good read ...
Stranger than fiction by Joyce Stranger.


message 12: by bookel (new)

bookel | 4032 comments Probably not a Vian Smith book ... https://www.librarything.com/work/149...


message 13: by bookel (new)

bookel | 4032 comments Riding Freedom https://www.librarything.com/work/86259
Published too late ... wrong country.


message 14: by bookel (last edited Jul 19, 2022 06:25AM) (new)

bookel | 4032 comments Any by K M Peyton? https://www.librarything.com/author/p...

Not it either ... set in England. Pretends to be a boy. National Velvet / Bagnold.


message 15: by bookel (new)

bookel | 4032 comments After some searching I came across the search phrase "Welsh countryside", which gave more results.
Search Google Books for horse farm 1990 aunt lexie ride
A Horse to Love by Nancy Springer
Erin dreams of owning a horse . Despite her shyness , she befriends a cranky old lady with a horse farm , Aunt Lexie , who teaches her to ride .

Hmm, this is getting me nowhere for now. At least you can eliminate some.


message 16: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Thanks for your continued efforts!

Vian Smith and K.M. Peyton don't look familiar, and it's not National Velvet. I'm 100% certain my book was not set in England. I am familiar with Riding Freedom, but it's way too recent and the wrong side of the world.

A Horse to Love is closer in terms of the time frame and sounds close when it comes to the plot, but it seems to be set in the US and it doesn't look like the MC was posing as a boy. But that's more the right vibe for sure.


message 17: by Capn (last edited Jul 19, 2022 10:30AM) (new)

Capn | 3506 comments I know you sort of ruled out horsey YA, but I just stumbled on this resource. Wanted to post it for the sake of other future searchers:

https://janebadgerbooks.co.uk/

"About Jane Badger
I’m a freelance writer, editor and proof reader. I’ve written Heroines on Horseback (2019), a gallop through the pony book in children’s fiction, and have written the world’s largest website on equine literature.
I've now started up a publishing company dedicated to bringing classic pony fiction back into print."

It's a pretty impressive database... :S


message 18: by bookel (new)

bookel | 4032 comments I've used ponymadbooklovers and janebadger as Google search terms for years with horse books. Did a little searching with those earlier. It can be hit and miss but both websites are great.


message 19: by Capn (new)

Capn | 3506 comments So Rainbowheart - can we rule out Enid Blyton altogether? (Too young, right?)


message 20: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Definitely can rule out Blyton. Too young and way too old.

Thanks for the link to the Jane Badger site! I did some diving there. It lets you search by decade and keywords, but I still couldn't find anything that looked familiar. *sob*


message 21: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 22: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 23: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 24: by Capn (last edited Oct 22, 2022 02:05PM) (new)

Capn | 3506 comments Suuuuuper long shot. But it isn't on GR, so worth a shot, I suppose:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thunder-Pool...

Roy or Ronald Brown as author, depending on source

The Thunder Pool
Book by Ronald Brown

"Cathy found life at the remote Welsh farm very different from London. Uncle Emry and Aunt Gwyneth were kind, but Cathy was puzzled by the hatred of her cousin Breck's eyes. Why did he wish she had not come to the valley?"--Jacket. Google Books
Originally published: 1971
Author: Ronald Brown
Genres: Fiction, Mystery
Illustrator: Gareth Floyd


message 25: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Thanks, Capn!

I created a GR record for The Thunder Pool. I don't think this is the right book, but I appreciate the suggestion!


message 26: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 27: by Amber (new)

Amber (toastystitch) | 6 comments Not Tamora Pierce's Alanna series? (The Song of the Lioness) Total longshot because I've never read it but the cover always intrigued me


message 28: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments No, definitely not, but thanks for the suggestion.

My book was strictly based in the 20th century.


message 29: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 30: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 31: by slauderdale (new)

slauderdale | 182 comments Is there a guy who teaches her how to fake a limp? Because I feel like I have memories of a book like that.


message 32: by slauderdale (new)

slauderdale | 182 comments An older gentleman who is aware of her ruse for some reason.


message 33: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Maybe? To be honest, I'm beginning to wonder if this book is some kind of conflation.

I remember the posing as a boy. I remember the Welsh setting. And I remember the horse farm. But now I'm wondering if maybe the horse farm is from a different book altogether.


message 34: by slauderdale (new)

slauderdale | 182 comments The book I'm remembering has an almost painterly cover with a figure in a red riding outfit a (brown?) horse from right to left.


message 35: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments It could be! I can't remember the cover of this one at all.

The older man knowing that she wasn't a boy sounds familiar, though.


message 36: by slauderdale (new)

slauderdale | 182 comments Rainbowheart wrote: "It could be! I can't remember the cover of this one at all.

The older man knowing that she wasn't a boy sounds familiar, though."


The book I had was a library discard. I'm sure I don't have it anymore but it was hardcover "library binding," and the timeframe for publication sounds about right. I don't know if i read it all the way through. I just always remembered this older male mentor giving her advice on how to fake a limp, and not to make it look overly painful/exaggerated but more subtle, a limp of long standing.


message 37: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Now that I think more about it, we could definitely be remembering the same book!

I still don't recall the limp, but an older kindly man sounds very familiar.


message 38: by bookel (last edited Mar 18, 2023 09:13PM) (new)

bookel | 4032 comments Mention of Wales in a review but no idea if it.
Horse of Air by Lucy Rees.
Horse of Air by Lucy Rees
https://openlibrary.org/works/OL26913...


message 39: by Capn (new)

Capn | 3506 comments I just stumbled on this:

Jockey School
https://openlibrary.org/works/OL39515...

Not super promising, but she is hired as a 'stable lad'.


message 40: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Thanks, bookel! It's not Horse of Air, but that does seem close. Even the cover seems close to what I remember.

Thanks, Capn! It's not Jockey School either, unfortunately, but I appreciate you keeping an eye out.


message 41: by Capn (last edited Apr 20, 2023 12:58PM) (new)

Capn | 3506 comments slauderdale wrote: "The book I'm remembering has an almost painterly cover with a figure in a red riding outfit a (brown?) horse from right to left."

Slauderdale - like a red hunter's jacket?


...because then maybe 'fox hunting' is a useful search term....! And 'hunting lodge', 'field hunters', and a few other related terms.. Whippers-in / whips, kennelman, foxhounds, huntsman, kennel..


message 42: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 43: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 44: by bookel (new)

bookel | 4032 comments Sometimes browsing search engine results can give clues.
Wales horse farm janebadger
Wales ponymadbooklovers
However some results already ruled out.
Author Mary Gervaise?
Any under Welsh https://janebadgerbooks.co.uk/breeds/...


message 45: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Thanks, bookel!

Nothing there looks familiar. I think my book was not really a "horse book" per se. It just happened to partially take place on a horse farm. At this point, I'm wondering whether I dreamed it, lol.


message 46: by slauderdale (new)

slauderdale | 182 comments Capn wrote: "slauderdale wrote: "The book I'm remembering has an almost painterly cover with a figure in a red riding outfit a (brown?) horse from right to left."

Slauderdale - like a red hunter's jacket?


...."


Whoops. I never responded to this, but yes, just like, riding on a brown (?) horse from right to left across the cover. Very painterly.


message 47: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 48: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 49: by Rainbowheart (new)

Rainbowheart | 28936 comments Welsh tomboy bump....


message 50: by Capn (last edited Dec 11, 2023 08:35AM) (new)

Capn | 3506 comments We didn't try The Horseman's Word yet, did we?
The Horseman's Word by Georgess McHargue
(Scotland, though - but interestingly is on the "Girls Disguised as Boys" list)

https://openlibrary.org/works/OL40995...


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