Nothing But Reading Challenges discussion

Texas, 1934. Millions are out of work and a drought has broken the Great Plains. Farmers are fighting to keep their land and their livelihoods as the crops are failing, the water is drying up, and dust threatens to bury them all. One of the darkest periods of the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl era, has arrived with a vengeance.

In this uncertain and dangerous time, Elsa Martinelli—like so many of her neighbors—must make an agonizing choice: fight for the land she loves or go west, to California, in search of a better life. The Four Winds is an indelible portrait of America and the American Dream, as seen through the eyes of one indomitable woman whose courage and sacrifice will come to define a generation.

========
nominator: Judith

Chapter Breakdown

Date		Chapters 			MPDQs
16 Sep		One - Seven (18%)		Judith
17 Sep		Eight - Fifteen	(38%)		Tammie
18 Sep		Sixteen - Twenty-Three (62%)	Brittany
19 Sep		Twenty-Four - Twenty-Eight (78%)Kate S
20 Sep		Twenty-Nine - Epilogue		Louise

Guidance for DQ setters
Aim for a reasonable number of questions: 4 - 5 is typical. Please don't post too many - any more than 7 gets unwieldy!
Use consecutive numbering of the DQs for your days. So, for example, if Day One is posted as questions 1-4, Day Two should start at number 5 etc.
Don't worry too much about your questions: you aren't being tested on how clever your questions are!
Hints and tips:
- Is there a quote that jumped out at you? Use that in a question.
- What about the characters - do they generate strong feelings? No feelings? - either way, we can explore that!
- What about that plot twist?!
- Explore the writing style: is there an unusual structure being used? what's the tone of voice like? or the point of view?

Want more information about how NBRC runs their Book of the Month discussions? Check out the information here

Volunteers

Judith (nominator)
Tammie
Brittany
Kate S
Louise

Participation Verified

Leslie Ann
Judith
Suzanne
Tammie
Angie
Rebecca NJ
Kira

.

Yay! My nomination won

Congrats Judith. I read this not so long ago so won't participate this time... just a heads up, tissues needed 😭

Volunteer for DQs - Team Wok on the Wilde Side

Volunteering for DQs - Team Pantries in a Twist

Willing to do DQs for this one. Team Seaside Book Cafe

Volunteering for DQs Team Lettuce Read

DQ days posted! Feel free to swap amongst yourselves if necessary :)

Works for me! Thanks Cat

Works for me

Yay I am good with mine :)

Works for me. Thanks!

Checking in...I'll get my DQs ready!

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?
I have read the Grapes of wrath so I do know about the surffering during the dust bowl

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?
Her parents are very cruel and I feel for Elsa. Elsa just wanted someone to love her and she really didn’t know how to go about it.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?
I love the relationship between Rose and Else. I love how it changes.

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?
Lorena is a typical teenage girl , love he feisty nature.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?
The author does a wonderful job with her descriptions and with her chapters. Loving the book!

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?
It definitely drew me in. I've added the The Age of Innocence to my tbr as a result.
I knew only some of the dust bowl having studied it in American History, but not being from a family who experienced it directly, I had no personal reference. It's completely sad how so many suffered during this time.

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?
It's sad and interesting at the same time how some who are supposed to be experts, in Elsa's case a doctor, can negatively affect one's life forever. Doctors in the 20s were at a disadvantage from the modern medicines we see today, but stating she shouldn't leave the house because of an illness and going so far as to say she couldn't have children...well that diagnosis tattooed Elsa's future. This coupled with what I felt were abusive/unloving parents, well it set the stage for anything she'll need to endure as something tolerable I think.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?
The Martinelli's family values are simpler that's for sure. Driven less by status and money. Focus is on the land and hard work...using the land to build a life. 'They would die of thirst and hunger before they'd give that up.'

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?
I was thinking Elsa and Loreda are a lot alike in their rebellious nature. She's definitely key to the story and I do love books that have children as primary characters. In the 20s children took on important roles in a family young compared to how it is now.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?
Definitely. Kristin Hannah is known for researching her plots at a very high level.

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?

I think the beginning made it a little hard for me. I feel like it was rushed and almost unnecessary. I think telling that part of the story in flashbacks may have been more effective for me personally. I am pretty familiar with this part of US history, but it's been a while since I've read about the topic, so I'm looking forward to the rest of the book.

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?

I really dislike her family and their assumptions that Elsa is unloveable. They forced her into a box and just expected her to never leave it without giving anything a chance. She was so desperate to be loved that she just jumped into things with Rafe without even knowing what was happening. I think that she's now so scared to go back to a place like that that she's afraid of taking risks, so she's still struggling to be brave in a way.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?

I think that the Martinelli's are much stronger and capable of dealing with uncomfortable situations. I really admire them, and especially Rose, for stepping in and giving Elsa a chance to be part of a real family.

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?

It makes me really sad to read Loreda's part. My daughter is only 5 and has already started with the semi-mean comments toward me when all I'm trying to do is get her to brush her teeth or something. So it makes me think about my relationship with her, and I hope that she never thinks of me the way that Loreda thinks of Elsa. I really hope that Elsa can work to get over her fear, and that Loreda can work to understand it.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?

I definitely think that there was a good transition. There was a lot of narrative surrounding the description and feeling of the land, so it's easy to see how and how much it's changed.

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?

I did like the opening to the story. I know some about this time period. But find each story makes it a little more real and clearer in my understanding.

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?

I do not like or understand Elsa's family. But each family has their own set of values and beliefs. I am not sure how Elsa can grow up to be loving without really knowing love at a young age.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?

I think there is a difference between merchants and farmers. There was also a difference of leaving Italy and scrabbling a life from little in a new country and being born in America and have the foundation of other generations doing the scrabbling for you.

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?

I got an impression of older generation versus younger generation POVs. I believe most daughters eventually appreciate a mother figure in their life. Elsa won't likely appreciate her own mother but does form a relationship with Rose. I think Elsa does a better job at mothering and is likely to gain a more special place in Loreda's heart.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?

I think she does.

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?

Having lived in Nebraska, I am very familiar with this part of US History known as the Dust Bowl. I have read lots of books fiction and non-fiction about the Dust Bowl. I have also visited museums and areas in Colorado and Kansas that were affected. I did like the opening of the story, enough so that it drew me and kept me reading.

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?

So sad. I can't imagine living with a family that shows that much abuse/neglect to a sick child. Being without that love and attention, and that's all she wanted, drew her straight into the arms of Rafe. She had no clue what love was, so any positive affection from another human was enough for her, regardless of the consequences.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?

Yes, the Martinelli is definitely a different type of family. Their values and morals are definitely stronger and better. Although Rose isn't happy about the situation, she gives Elsa the chance to know what a loving family is truly about.

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?

Yes, Loreda's POV is interesting and does add to the story. She likes to keep the tension building.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?

Yes!! Kristin Hannah does a wonderful job in the transition. She also does her homework by doing thorough research for the time periods she writes about.

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?

7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind?

10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story?

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)? I liked the opening, especially since we got to see the contrast of the thriving plains with what happened in the drought. I am slightly familiar with this part of US History - mostly from reading The Grapes of Wrath in high school (a LONG time ago). But I really had no idea of length or severity.

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe? I think Elsa's family was toxic - never giving her a chance in any way and always belittling her. For sure that affected her meeting with Rafe, who showed her even a little positive attention. I think Elsa's life was a drought, and Rafe was a small bit of water.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?I like the Martinelli family - and they are for sure very different. And I especially like Elsa's relationship with Rose - I think Rose has grown to love and respect Elsa, and she's given Elsa room to grow and live life. And I can see why Rose was upset at first after those college dreams for Rafe. It's amazing she wasn't totally toxic to Elsa. (same with Tony)

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?I think it's realistic but ouch - kids are brutal. I hope she'll clue in but ???

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole? This was fascinating to me and sad. Seeing the animals and people just waste away....awful.

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?
I don't think anything she said would of been the right thing to say. Aside from giving him a pass about being a general unhelpful waste of space. He probably would of resented that as well. I mean he said to his daughter's face that he bad a bad choice years ago. Implying that getting her mother pregnant, with her, was a bad choice. I know Loreda didn't realize that, but who does that?

7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?
Coward. He's a selfish, lazy coward. If he was leaving to go make money to send back to the farm, that would be justified. I think Elsa maybe should of been more open to the idea of leaving. It's hard for me to answer this since I know CA was not the land of milk and honey that was promised to these people. So her concerns were valid. I kinda hope that don't, but wishing a family member disappearance be permanent seems harsh on those that love him.

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?
Hmm. I'm not sure Loreda is in the right head space for that conversation right now. But eventually, I hope Loreda pulls her head out of her butt and clues into who her mother really is and how much credit Elsa deserves. Hopefully that will come with age.

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind?
I think is shows a complete lack of perspective from the point of the government on how to communicate with people. They basically blamed them for their own problems and offered solutions that mainly put them on the dole. These are hard working people doing the same thing that had been done for generations.

10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story?
I think some of Elsa's concerns will be borne out as they find Hoover towns, etc. But I hope they find a way to survive and manage to keep the family together. And alive.

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?

I don't know what the right thing for her to say might have been. I am not sure there is anything she could have said to change Rafe's behavior.

7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?

I understand why people may see this as a cowardly act, but I see it as lifesaving. Rafe was not thriving in his home. Now, we would probably see it as a mid-life crisis or so. He has been unhappy for a long time. I can't imagine if he continued in Texas, he would have been much good for his family.

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?

I would not be surprised to see Loreda take off as soon as she is able. She has had big dreams about California and may very well chase them once old enough.

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind?

I agree the government rep was not right for the task. People from small towns are notoriously suspicious of outsiders. Figuring out how to change paradigms is hard. People don't want to be told they can't do what they have always done and that their suffering is their own fault. Finding ways to communicate with others is so important.

10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story?

I think Elsa did not have another choice. The land is trying to kill her kids. I anticipate a very difficult journey period to be next in our story.

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?
I was definitely drawn in and I have researched this part of history quite a bit, but less focus was on texas prior to this book

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?
Her family is setting her up for a pretty terrible long term existence.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?
I like the way that it is two mentally strong women that show this in very separate ways. I love that the respect for this grows in each of them

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?
I love seeing the different perspective from someone who was aware of a better life and being forced to grow up in the growing desolation.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?
I think it does as it pertains to a single family, but not very well to the area as a whole

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?
I think that to Rafe, Else was an emotional robot, He didn't understand how she couldn't show any emotion. He is an emotional dreamer and felt everything. because Elsa showed her love through acts of service. But if she would have stopped being afraid of rejection, it would have been a very different life. It is hard to read.

7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?
I think if he didn't leave, it is likely that he would have turned to suicide. I would rather have him alive and in the world. But yes it was still cowardice. He was still selfish and couldn't put his family above his own needs.

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?
Of course she should share this dream, even if Elsa chooses differently, she sees the fire in her. She sees that Elsa can accomplish what she was unable to do. She doesn't want her to dampen her spirit

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind?
This rep was too little too late and came with a complete misunderstanding of the way of life and mental fortitude of the people they are speaking to.

10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story?
Elsa will do anything to keep her family alive. And I think that includes finding a way to leave.

Brittany wrote: "DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectl..."

I was thinking the same about the possibility of suicide…he was miserable.

DQs Day 3:Sixteen - Twenty-Three (62%)
I apologize in advance, because this was a depressing section in the book.

11.) When the family stops at the gas station, Elsa and kids get their first try realization of what they are in for, and you get to see some of Lareda’s true grit when she is prepared to kill a man to save her life. Do you think that you could pull the trigger if you had to? Could you put your kids through the crossing of the Mojave dessert on your own like that?

12.) The squatter’s camp is hard to fully fathom. People dying of dysentery. Children picking to be able to have enough money to not starve to death. Being able to only survive off of previous season’s pickings and living in such terrible conditions with trying to purify water as best as possible. What was your initial reaction to this new way of life? What would you do if faced with this situation?

13.) “$0.40 for 10 hours of work.” Man was I mad for Elsa when I read this! What a piece of crap to take advantage of people like this. How would you have handled this situation? Could you have walked away as easily as Elsa?

14.) “Do you ever get tired of being strong?” How have you found resilience when dealing with a time that seemed insurmountable? When you looked back on that time, was it better or worse than it felt at the time?

15.) The small spots of kindness that breach the darkness in life are essential to mental survival. Jean and her family, as well as the man and woman at the beauty salon have helped add kindness into Elsa and the kid’s worlds. How did you feel when reading the beauty salon section> Is there a random act of kindness that stands out as making a different in your life that you would be comfortable sharing? If so, what it is it?

DQs Day 3:Sixteen - Twenty-Three (62%)

11.) When the family stops at the gas station, Elsa and kids get their first try realization of what they are in for, and you get to see some of Lareda’s true grit when she is prepared to kill a man to save her life. Do you think that you could pull the trigger if you had to? Could you put your kids through the crossing of the Mojave dessert on your own like that?
I thought...'you go girl' with that scene. I think I could do it if I had confidence in my transportation. Truly if something would happen to the car, I would likely fall to despair. What a trial...and they did it!

12.) The squatter’s camp is hard to fully fathom. People dying of dysentery. Children picking to be able to have enough money to not starve to death. Being able to only survive off of previous season’s pickings and living in such terrible conditions with trying to purify water as best as possible. What was your initial reaction to this new way of life? What would you do if faced with this situation?
I would have been doing anything possible to find somewhere else to go. I guess if you're stuck, you deal. That goodness for the kindness of Jean and her family...if she hadn't told Elsa about how to take care of the water, they all could be dead. This book really reinforces the need to be kind to others and the value of one small good deed.

13.) “$0.40 for 10 hours of work.” Man was I mad for Elsa when I read this! What a piece of crap to take advantage of people like this. How would you have handled this situation? Could you have walked away as easily as Elsa?
Elsa didn't have a choice...but to walk away...but I'm with you. I was very angry! Thinking that lady especially didn't have a fourth of the strength and talent that Elsa did.
Be kind to others! We don't know the path they've traveled.

14.) “Do you ever get tired of being strong?” How have you found resilience when dealing with a time that seemed insurmountable? When you looked back on that time, was it better or worse than it felt at the time?
I've been depressed once in my life. It's hard to climb out if you are on your own. A bit of encouragement from friends and family goes a long way. I think Elsa's approach for working hard is a good one. I've always believed...what comes around usually goes around too and have always found solace in knowing that bad people usually get what's coming to them in the long-run.

15.) The small spots of kindness that breach the darkness in life are essential to mental survival. Jean and her family, as well as the man and woman at the beauty salon have helped add kindness into Elsa and the kid’s worlds. How did you feel when reading the beauty salon section> Is there a random act of kindness that stands out as making a different in your life that you would be comfortable sharing? If so, what it is it?
When I worked part time at McDonald's I had a manager that really helped me believe I had the talent for more and better. At one point when I was struggling with money I thought I would quite college (I couldn't afford it...didn't want to take out yet another student loan). My supervisor refused to promote me...he said I needed to choose college. He really helped me with my schedule and provided encouragement. I know that one thing has impacted so many other things in my life. I think of him often.

DQs Day 3:Sixteen - Twenty-Three (62%)
I apologize in advance, because this was a depressing section in the book. No need to apologize, depressing sections I think are required of this author's books. Light and fluffy is not what you pick up her books for :)

11.) When the family stops at the gas station, Elsa and kids get their first try realization of what they are in for, and you get to see some of Lareda’s true grit when she is prepared to kill a man to save her life. Do you think that you could pull the trigger if you had to? Could you put your kids through the crossing of the Mojave dessert on your own like that?
Yes, especially with my child's life on the line. Without question. Not sure of my mental state on the other side, but I'd do whatever I had to do to keep them alive.

12.) The squatter’s camp is hard to fully fathom. People dying of dysentery. Children picking to be able to have enough money to not starve to death. Being able to only survive off of previous season’s pickings and living in such terrible conditions with trying to purify water as best as possible. What was your initial reaction to this new way of life? What would you do if faced with this situation?
It was what I expected based on what I know of Hoovertowns. I guess I would make the best of it and do whatever I could to improve my life situation as hard as that would be to do.

13.) “$0.40 for 10 hours of work.” Man was I mad for Elsa when I read this! What a piece of crap to take advantage of people like this. How would you have handled this situation? Could you have walked away as easily as Elsa?
I would of taken the money, otherwise who knows what would of happened. Being taken to jail, that what about the kids? And this isn't far off how many people view and treat migrant workers, immigrants, and refugees today. The main difference is the volume of the people falling into these groups and the clustering of those people compared to the 1930s.

14.) “Do you ever get tired of being strong?” How have you found resilience when dealing with a time that seemed insurmountable? When you looked back on that time, was it better or worse than it felt at the time?
Yes, when I think about it I'd say it's about the same. And I use that experience to help others who experience something similar. I try to remind them and myself that there is life after survival.

15.) The small spots of kindness that breach the darkness in life are essential to mental survival. Jean and her family, as well as the man and woman at the beauty salon have helped add kindness into Elsa and the kid’s worlds. How did you feel when reading the beauty salon section> Is there a random act of kindness that stands out as making a different in your life that you would be comfortable sharing? If so, what it is it?
It's a reminder that people as a group can be horrible but individuals have a well of kindness. An act of kindness of this magnitude is not something I have experienced and thankfully have not been in a place to truly need it.

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?

I don't think it was the wrong thing to say. I think Elsa just thought it was the wrong thing to say because no one has ever validated her feelings and she does everything to make everyone else happy. So, to Rafe, it was the wrong thing to say because he was just thinking of himself and his own pity.

7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?

I think it was cowardice, especially because Elsa tried to talk to him about it again. I think he just realized that she was right that bringing the kids right then would have been difficult, so he decided to go out on his own because again, he was only thinking of himself. I hope that they never see him again. I hope that Elsa can find strength in herself without him there.

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?

I don't think it's a bad thing for Elsa to share her dreams for her children. I didn't like Rose's response, but I don't think she'd try to fight too hard to keep Loreda out of college if she wanted to go. I think that Elsa will eventually find her strength and help her children's dreams come true, especially since she herself had the dream of going off to college and writing.

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind?

I don't know much about farming or the methods they used during this time, but it did seem pretty unfair to me that the government guy came in and basically just blamed them all for it and offered them a few dollars that weren't very helpful.

10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story?

I think that Elsa is making the right decision. Ant clearly can't handle the climate there with the dust storm, and it's very possible that the rest of them could eventually face illness from it too. There isn't much left in Texas for them, at least for now. So I hope that they are able to go somewhere more prosperous.

Mod
DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?

I do like the opening gives insight into how Elsa sees herself, being from the Uk I am not familiar with this part of Us history

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?
Elsa was made to feel inferior due to a misdiagnosed medical condition. There was definitely no love shown towards her which impacted greatly on her initial meeting with Rafe.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?
The strength of both women shows through and garners mutual respect allowing Elsa to become the mother she never had.

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?
Loreda dotes on her father and sees her mother as the cause of his unhappiness. I think events will clue her in to the situation and help to build a bridge between mother and daughter.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?
It’s very vivid and you can almost imagine that you were there.

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?

I know nothing of this part of US history, to be honest. I didn't even know this happened. I am very interested in the story though.

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long-term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?

Her parents seemed terrible. She has had any confidence within herself knocked out of her through their treatment of her. I think the lack of worth and love she felt at home had a big impact on her initial choices with Rafe as she was just wanting to be loved.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?

I would agree that they are very different, and even though they were not exactly happy about Elsa being pregnant, I think the way she was brought into the family was the right thing. I think the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa is one of mutual respect and care. I think that they develop a relationship similar to that which Elsa would have wanted more from her mother. I think that it is clear that Elsa has tried to fit in with Rafe's family in the way that she has learnt their values and love of the land. I think her adapting to their ways has helped Elsa and Rose develop a good relationship.

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?

I think it does add to the story as it gives another perspective of how life is affecting the community and the Martinelli family. I also think it will be interesting to see how the mother ad daughter relationship evolves as currently Loreda is still very young and I don't think she fully appreciates everything going on around her.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to the Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town?

Knowing very little of the history of this period, I feel like she does.

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?

I am not sure there was a right thing to say to Rafe he seemed very wrapped up in himself. However, with that being said I also think that maybe he and Elsa weren't the best partnership. I think her lack of confidence really affected their relationship and ability to connect with one another, which is really sad.

7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?

I do not think it is justified, it was definitely cowardice. I really didn't like how she was wanting to talk to him about it and he just up and left in the middle of the night on his own. I thought maybe he was going to kill himself, not leave them. I am not sure whether I hope they see him again, I feel like what he did was unforgivable.

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?

I think that of course, Elsa should share her hopes for her daughter with Rose, and Rose's reaction was probably typical for that time, that it is the boy who goes away while the girl will settle down. I hope that Loreda gets to do what she wants in the future and I think her mother will help her to achieve whatever that is.

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind?

I thought that it was not the best approach of the government as it was not that helpful to the people what they were offering was not going to stop them from starving and dying. As for the farming practices, I have no idea I know only a little about framing practices in the US today and even less during the time in which this book is set so I have no comment.

10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story?

Elsa is making the right decision, Ant is going to get worst if they don't leave and any one of them can fall ill from it. I just hope they can find somewhere they can live safely and get by. Maybe they will be able to return to texas one day. But I feel like the next part of the story will involve a very difficult journey for them all, both mentally and physically.

DQs Day 3:Sixteen - Twenty-Three (62%)

11.) When the family stops at the gas station, Elsa and kids get their first try realization of what they are in for, and you get to see some of Lareda’s true grit when she is prepared to kill a man to save her life. Do you think that you could pull the trigger if you had to? Could you put your kids through the crossing of the Mojave dessert on your own like that?

I would do whatever I had to do to protect my daughter. I'm not a violent person at all, and I'm terrified at the possibility of ever being put in a situation like that, but I would do what I had to do. And as a single mom, I don't necessarily have to cross the Mojave desert, but I do a hell of a lot (excuse my language) to keep me and my daughter happy and healthy. And I'm happy to keep doing it as long as we both have the lives we deserve.

12.) The squatter’s camp is hard to fully fathom. People dying of dysentery. Children picking to be able to have enough money to not starve to death. Being able to only survive off of previous season’s pickings and living in such terrible conditions with trying to purify water as best as possible. What was your initial reaction to this new way of life? What would you do if faced with this situation?

It's so hard to read this and also see Loreda's reaction to it. I want so badly for all of them to be able to live more normal lives, and it's sad to see their reality. I would like to think I would face it with as much determination as Elsa, but I'm really not sure. I would probably have a few more days of sadness than she has had, but I would keep pushing.

13.) “$0.40 for 10 hours of work.” Man was I mad for Elsa when I read this! What a piece of crap to take advantage of people like this. How would you have handled this situation? Could you have walked away as easily as Elsa?

I was upset when I read this part too, but I'm not sure Elsa had much of a choice. I know things are different now, but I don't think I would have walked into ten hours of work without knowing how much I was going to get paid ahead of time.

14.) “Do you ever get tired of being strong?” How have you found resilience when dealing with a time that seemed insurmountable? When you looked back on that time, was it better or worse than it felt at the time?

I'm a very resilient person. I've been through a lot, but I'm starting to heal from it all. It still all seems very unfair when I look back on it, but I also do notice times when I could have done better to make the situation better. So my focus now is on becoming a better, more put-together person in terms of what I can control so that I can be grateful for the things I do have and attract the things I still want or need.

15.) The small spots of kindness that breach the darkness in life are essential to mental survival. Jean and her family, as well as the man and woman at the beauty salon have helped add kindness into Elsa and the kid’s worlds. How did you feel when reading the beauty salon section> Is there a random act of kindness that stands out as making a different in your life that you would be comfortable sharing? If so, what it is it?

I actually cried after reading the beauty salon part. I was so relieved for them that they had finally found someone that was willing to help them and not just judge them as soon as they walked in. I don't think I've really experienced any sort of life-changing acts of kindness, but I am starting to build a small circle of people around myself that support each other when we need it.

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?
I am familiar with this part of the story. I wasn't sure it was about the Dust Bowl era or another era. Hard farming life is cyclical and I didn't know anything about the book.

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?
I think the family is a little simplistic. All we really see are her parents, I'm not sure why she has siblings other then to maybe show contrast. I'm not so sure she chose Rafe as he just happened to be there at the right time saying the right things.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?
I think they are at very different places. One is established and one is getting established but both are settled. I think the relationship between the two women makes a lot of sense. Elsa did ruin Rose's son's life and her dreams but there's no point dwelling on it with a baby on the way.

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?
So far I don't care for her.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?
I think she paints a picture and there's some gaps. How/if those gaps get filled remains to be seen.

DQs Day 3:Sixteen - Twenty-Three (62%)

11.) When the family stops at the gas station, Elsa and kids get their first try realization of what they are in for, and you get to see some of Loreda’s true grit when she is prepared to kill a man to save her life. Do you think that you could pull the trigger if you had to? Could you put your kids through the crossing of the Mojave desert on your own like that?

I am glad I have never had to experience anything like that, but if it meant that my children could have cleaner air and the possibility of a better life their needs were being met. I would try my hardest to achieve that. As for whether I could pull the trigger or not, I have never held a gun before in my life and do not intend to so no. With that being said though, I would defend my family to the best of my ability.

12.) The squatter’s camp is hard to fully fathom. People dying of dysentery. Children picking to be able to have enough money to not starve to death. Being able to only survive off of previous season’s pickings and living in such terrible conditions with trying to purify water as best as possible. What was your initial reaction to this new way of life? What would you do if faced with this situation?

It is very hard for me to comprehend this, it is a truly shocking and bleak existence. I am hoping that they are able to start a normal life without the prejudices they are facing.

I would hope that I would do what I had to survive and try to do my best to get out of the camp and get a better job.

13.) “$0.40 for 10 hours of work.” Man was I mad for Elsa when I read this! What a piece of crap to take advantage of people like this. How would you have handled this situation? Could you have walked away as easily as Elsa?

I was very shocked that all she was paid, and I was worried for all the people who had fallen on hand time. I was taught to ask how much I was getting before I started to work, but if it was all I was getting I would accept it.

14.) “Do you ever get tired of being strong?” How have you found resilience when dealing with a time that seemed insurmountable? When you looked back on that time, was it better or worse than it felt at the time?

With the thought that things will get better with time, and life is messy and we cannot control it.

15.) The small spots of kindness that breach the darkness in life are essential to mental survival. Jean and her family, as well as the man and woman at the beauty salon have helped add kindness into Elsa and the kid’s worlds. How did you feel when reading the beauty salon section> Is there a random act of kindness that stands out as making a different in your life that you would be comfortable sharing? If so, what it is it?

I haven't experienced anything like this before, but I was very happy that they at least found some people who were friendly to them and treated them like humans.

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?

I don’t think there would have been a right answer for Rafe.


7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?

I think it was cowardice, they should have discussed how to go about moving together

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?
It’s right that she shares her dream for Loreda with Rose. I think Loreda will achieve her dreams but it will be a struggle.

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind?

A different approach would have been better. No one likes being told that what they have known all their life is actually the reason why they are failing.

10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story?
Elsa has made the right decision for her family. Hopefully they will be able to return one day but I fear a long and difficult struggle is ahead of the family.

DQs Day 1: Chapters Prologue - Seven (18%)

1.) Did you like the opening to the story? Did it draw you in and help set the stage? Are you familiar with this part of US History (Dust Bowl)?

I will say, I had tried to read this book before and was not drawn in at all. This time around, I was a little more interested. I am slightly familiar with this part of US History - we studied in high school and also read The Grapes of Wrath at the same time. It was a really bad time.

2.) What are your thoughts on Elsa's family and early home life? What do you think the long term impacts of this environment are? How do you think that affected her initial choices involving Rafe?

She's the type of child I always feel bad for. Living in that type of environment always makes people lack confidence and seek the attention of anyone which is likely why she fell so quickly for Rafe.

3.) The Martinelli family seems a different type of family compared to the Wolcott's. Do you agree? What do you think of the relationship that develops between Rose and Elsa especially?

The Martinelli family seemed to have so much love and togetherness. I was concerned about the relationship between Rose and Elsa and glad that it seems to be healing itself.

4.) Loreda. Oh the wisdom of 12 year olds. What do you think of her POV, does it add to the story? Do you think at some point she'll clue in and appreciate her mother?

Her POV definitely adds to the story. Children always see things though a different lens and will be sure to tell you. I think she'll come around and appreciate her mother but it will likely be when she is older.

5.) Does the author do a good job describing the transition of the land and life from the post WWI boon to Dust Bowl bust for both Elsa's family and the town as a whole?

I think so - the stage is definitely set.

Day 4
Chapters 24-28 (78%)

16. My heart sank when Loreda got into that strange man's truck in the middle of the night. Anyone else concerned for the young lady at that point? Did you think he was meeting a group of communists in the middle of the woods?

17. The hospital and the police department had little time for the migrants. What a picture of America at the time. I struggle to relate with this situation. Do you think there are parts of America that still feel this way? Even toward fellow Americans?

18. The communists swoop in with places to stay, food, clothes, friendly faces and yet, they are the enemy. I thought it was interesting that Elsa said, "we're proud. We believe in hard work and a fair chance. Not one for all and all for one." Does it have to be one or the other? Can we all work hard and get a fair chance, and still want our neighbors to succeed and get a hand up when they need it? Why is what Jack doing different than what Elsa and Jean and the other wives who handed down shoes and potatoes (or whatever was needed) were doing?

19. What about that Welty Farm? Seems too good to be true. And maybe it is. I have thought a village that keeps people employed, housed and fed would be a good thing, but I guess it only takes a few bad (greedy) apples to make it terrible. Will Elsa and her family find a happy ending?

20. On another note. While reading this book with this group,
am also reading The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl. I do this from time to time when reading historical fiction. I happened to have this book on hand and found it really interesting to get a little more information on what happened before the Dust Bowl started and what else was going on. Does anyone else do this? Do you read non-fiction and fiction about the same topic at the same time? Do you have any non-fiction books about the Dust Bowl you can recommend?

Bonus: There was a lot to talk about in this section! I picked out a few things and my own habit. Were there different things that stuck out to you?

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?
I know Elsa regretted what she said, but I think it was a fine thing she said - they needed to be there for their children. She couldn't win with Rafe - he never encouraged her to be what she yearned to be.

7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?

I think she should have been brave enough to discuss leaving, but also they knew Tony and Rose would never leave, and I can see staying and supporting them. In fact, I don't know how Rafe could want to leave his parents.

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?
I loved all that Elsa and Rose shared, including this. Given the times, I can see why Rose felt it should be the boy that went to college, and since going was a dream of Elsa's, I can see why she wanted Loreda to go.

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind? I thought the same thing - boy history sure repeats itself! The government probably should have asked the farmers about the best way to support them, and done more education about different tilling methods to save the topsoil.


10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story? I totally agree with Elsa's decision to get Ant out of there - he'd die otherwise. But with the little I know about the dust bowl, I don't think they are going to find milk and honey :)

DQs Day 3:Sixteen - Twenty-Three (62%)
I apologize in advance, because this was a depressing section in the book.

11.) When the family stops at the gas station, Elsa and kids get their first try realization of what they are in for, and you get to see some of Lareda’s true grit when she is prepared to kill a man to save her life. Do you think that you could pull the trigger if you had to? Could you put your kids through the crossing of the Mojave dessert on your own like that? I think I could pull the trigger in that situation - the man was in the wrong and could have killed loved ones. And eek - I cannot even imagine that whole journey - especially the Mojave. There was no choice, and yet that would be terrifying.

12.) The squatter’s camp is hard to fully fathom. People dying of dysentery. Children picking to be able to have enough money to not starve to death. Being able to only survive off of previous season’s pickings and living in such terrible conditions with trying to purify water as best as possible. What was your initial reaction to this new way of life? What would you do if faced with this situation? I HOPE I would do whatever I had to do, but I cannot even really comprehend how awful that would be. I liked how the author mentioned the smell because it must indeed smell awful there.

13.) “$0.40 for 10 hours of work.” Man was I mad for Elsa when I read this! What a piece of crap to take advantage of people like this. How would you have handled this situation? Could you have walked away as easily as Elsa? I've been so mad at all the people - there's just no kindness at all. That lady was so terrible. But seems like they all were. I was mad too.

14.) “Do you ever get tired of being strong?” How have you found resilience when dealing with a time that seemed insurmountable? When you looked back on that time, was it better or worse than it felt at the time?I think for me (and I suspect for most people) after a period of being strong, there's a price - a meltdown. Yet Elsa is strong day after day...

15.) The small spots of kindness that breach the darkness in life are essential to mental survival. Jean and her family, as well as the man and woman at the beauty salon have helped add kindness into Elsa and the kid’s worlds. How did you feel when reading the beauty salon section> Is there a random act of kindness that stands out as making a different in your life that you would be comfortable sharing? If so, what it is it? Those parts you mentioned really touched me. I also loved their Christmas. I've had so many random acts of kindness happen to me, and they make me want to be kinder as well.

Day 4
Chapters 24-28 (78%)

16. My heart sank when Loreda got into that strange man's truck in the middle of the night. Anyone else concerned for the young lady at that point? Did you think he was meeting a group of communists in the middle of the woods?
That was scary! That is one lucky girl...could have really been a bad situation. Never would have guessed on the outcome.

17. The hospital and the police department had little time for the migrants. What a picture of America at the time. I struggle to relate with this situation. Do you think there are parts of America that still feel this way? Even toward fellow Americans?
Absolutely. The inner cities are plagued with this kind of disregard for sure. The homeless are primarily drug addicts and the addicts are abundant and repeatedly show up in hospitals, libraries, etc where staff are ill-equipped to deal with their problems.

18. The communists swoop in with places to stay, food, clothes, friendly faces and yet, they are the enemy. I thought it was interesting that Elsa said, "we're proud. We believe in hard work and a fair chance. Not one for all and all for one." Does it have to be one or the other? Can we all work hard and get a fair chance, and still want our neighbors to succeed and get a hand up when they need it? Why is what Jack doing different than what Elsa and Jean and the other wives who handed down shoes and potatoes (or whatever was needed) were doing?
I thought the same thing. My opinion is that they really weren't communists but Americans with a social conscious. Social Security and welfare was born directly after the dust bowl and the great depression. It was supposed to wipe out poverty.

19. What about that Welty Farm? Seems too good to be true. And maybe it is. I have thought a village that keeps people employed, housed and fed would be a good thing, but I guess it only takes a few bad (greedy) apples to make it terrible. Will Elsa and her family find a happy ending?
The Welty Farm just moved from oppressing Mexican workers to poor Americans. As long as the law was unwilling to do anything about this, there was no reason not to continue.

20. On another note. While reading this book with this group,
am also reading The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl. I do this from time to time when reading historical fiction. I happened to have this book on hand and found it really interesting to get a little more information on what happened before the Dust Bowl started and what else was going on. Does anyone else do this? Do you read non-fiction and fiction about the same topic at the same time? Do you have any non-fiction books about the Dust Bowl you can recommend?

Bonus: There was a lot to talk about in this section! I picked out a few things and my own habit. Were there different things that stuck out to you?
I recently organized a challenge where my research turned up information on Ronald Regan and his role as President of SAG-AFTRA (then a political Democrat). During his time in this role, he worked to 'remove communists' from the SAG ranks. I made a note to learn more about this as there were actors in the ranks who helped some of the people in these chapters.

DQs - Day 2 | Eight - Fifteen (38%)

6. Early in this segment, Elsa sees Rafe crying and they experience the ground visibly cracking. Rafe asks Elsa “How can you not break?” Elsa replied incorrectly saying “Because the kids need us not to.” What do you think Rafe expected her to say? Do you have an opinion on what she should have said? ...and would it have made a difference?

I don't think Rafe knew exactly what he was seeking for in an answer from Elsa. Sympathy? Empathy? For him, her answer was incorrect, but to others, she was right. Her children and family needed her to remain strong. Whatever her reply was, it wouldn't have made a difference. Rafe was selfish and only looked out for himself.

7. After trying to convince Elsa to leave behind the farm, and then he agrees with her they can’t leave…Rafe still abandons his family. Justified or cowardice? Was Elsa right in not supporting her husband to leave the farm? Do you think they’ll ever see Rafe again?

Justified, no. Regardless of how bad things were or going to be, that's no excuse to leave behind the family that he created. Not that he would've helped. Maybe his leaving was best because he would've ended up being a burden wallowing in his own self pity and maybe committed suicide. Being that I have already finished the book, I won't answer the last question : )

8. In chapter 11, Elsa and Rose commiserate about Loreda blaming Elsa for Rafe leaving.
“I want her to go to college, Rose. To be brave and have adventures.” “A Girl?” Rose laughed. “Ant will be the one. Loreda will settle down. You’ll see.” “I don’t want her to settle down, Rose. I’m in awe of her fire…”
Should Elsa be sharing her dream for Loreda with her? What is your prediction for Loreda 10 years from this point in the story?

Yes, I think Elsa should share her hopes and dreams with whomever will listen. Will she always get a positive response, probably not but that shouldn't hinder her. She may at some point get some positive insight on how to make those hopes and dreams a reality or other feedback to more realistic goals based on current circumstances.

9. The government expert shows a movie and delivers some startling facts about the state of things. This reminded me a bit of what we all just went through with Covid…warnings not believed, fear of misinformation and lack of trust in the government. What did you think of the approach of the government rep and the denial that seemed to radiate from many of the residents attending the meeting? Any mirrors to our recent experience with Covid come to mind?

The government likes to instill fear into society and will use whatever tactics it can to do so. Placing the blame on these people and their ways worked effectively. It's always easier to place the blame on someone/something else rather than to face the issue. Was it the correct way to handle the situation or bring relief to them? Absolutely not. A different approach and proper communication would have been more effective as well as more government financial assistance. No resemblances of that situation and Covid came to mind except for the mistrust of the government,false news, and the installation of fear amongst society.

10. Ant experienced extreme sickness from the impacts of the dust storms, and Elsa has indicated they must leave Texas. What do you think of Elsa’s decision and what do you think will happen next in the story?

I think Elsa made the right decision in order to improve the health of her son. I finished the book so I know what happens next lol : )

Day 4
Chapters 24-28 (78%)

16. My heart sank when Loreda got into that strange man's truck in the middle of the night. Anyone else concerned for the young lady at that point? Did you think he was meeting a group of communists in the middle of the woods?

Oh my I thought it was going to turn out badly for her or she was going to be in the middle of a union meeting that was broken up by the police and end up hurt. I was really concerned for her.

17. The hospital and the police department had little time for the migrants. What a picture of America at the time. I struggle to relate with this situation. Do you think there are parts of America that still feel this way? Even toward fellow Americans?

I have never been to America and for me, it is really weird to think that a hospital would ever turn people away. They are there to help people they have a duty of care. I thought it was disgusting to turn away a pregnant woman in distress. It is sad to read that this might be common in America in some places.

18. The communists swoop in with places to stay, food, clothes, friendly faces and yet, they are the enemy. I thought it was interesting that Elsa said, "we're proud. We believe in hard work and a fair chance. Not one for all and all for one." Does it have to be one or the other? Can we all work hard and get a fair chance, and still want our neighbors to succeed and get a hand up when they need it? Why is what Jack doing different than what Elsa and Jean and the other wives who handed down shoes and potatoes (or whatever was needed) were doing?

I agree, by helping each other out they were also showing some of the traits that the communists were doing and I understand that the welfare state was established after this event, and how that possibly means that it does not have to be one or the other. However, as we can see today, the system is not that great and unskilled labour and skilled labour still face exploitation. I think at the time, and still possibly now communism is seen as very anti-American and discouraged. I think they need to stand up for themselves and I hope they do band together because currently they are being treated less than humans which is very sad for any group of people to be treated that way.

19. What about that Welty Farm? Seems too good to be true. And maybe it is. I have thought a village that keeps people employed, housed and fed would be a good thing, but I guess it only takes a few bad (greedy) apples to make it terrible. Will Elsa and her family find a happy ending?

I think it is horrendous, it is terrible the way the farm is basically turning them into indebted slaves. Their quality of life I'd by no means good and they are trapped there because it is the best option for them. I think it is typical as it will make them more money in the long run. They have people who cannot travel with the harvests and they are being forced to pay high prices for things that should be a lot less. It is an unpleasant situation. I am happy that Loreda has found interest in politics and trying to figure stuff out and speak her mind. I think that the farm will be an excellent example of exploitation. It seems like they went from exploiting Mexican workers to exploiting down-on-their-luck Americans.

20. On another note. While reading this book with this group,
am also reading The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl. I do this from time to time when reading historical fiction. I happened to have this book on hand and found it really interesting to get a little more information on what happened before the Dust Bowl started and what else was going on. Does anyone else do this? Do you read non-fiction and fiction about the same topic at the same time? Do you have any non-fiction books about the Dust Bowl you can recommend?

I don't do this but that is such a good idea. I don't have any books about this, so it wouldn't work for this one. I am planning to read some non-fiction about it after reading this story though. I feel like that is more common for me than reading it a the same time.

Bonus: There was a lot to talk about in this section! I picked out a few things and my own habit. Were there different things that stuck out to you?

I thought it was interesting that on a personal level it made her realise that there was more than just dreaming (her father) but that action was also very important like Jack. I think she is really starting to grow up and become an adult.

DQs Day 3:Sixteen - Twenty-Three (62%)
I apologize in advance, because this was a depressing section in the book.

11.) When the family stops at the gas station, Elsa and kids get their first try realization of what they are in for, and you get to see some of Lareda’s true grit when she is prepared to kill a man to save her life. Do you think that you could pull the trigger if you had to? Could you put your kids through the crossing of the Mojave dessert on your own like that?

Most definitely!!! If my life, or a loved one's life was in danger I could pull the trigger. I don't know that I would aim to kill, but I would definitely aim to significantly harm the individual from being able to harm us. I would and still do(my kids are grown) whatever it takes to make sure my kids/grandkids lives are safe,healthy and happy.

12.) The squatter’s camp is hard to fully fathom. People dying of dysentery. Children picking to be able to have enough money to not starve to death. Being able to only survive off of previous season’s pickings and living in such terrible conditions with trying to purify water as best as possible. What was your initial reaction to this new way of life? What would you do if faced with this situation?

Being that I read a lot of history and historical fiction, I expected this to be their way of life. So it wasn't shocking. Sadly, some people still live this way in some parts of US and across the world. Faced in that situation, I would do whatever I had to do to keep my family alive.

13.) “$0.40 for 10 hours of work.” Man was I mad for Elsa when I read this! What a piece of crap to take advantage of people like this. How would you have handled this situation? Could you have walked away as easily as Elsa?

I would've taken the money and continued to do what I had to keep my family alive. Not many choices like we have now. She either took what she was offered or literally did without. Being the year this occurred, what choice did she have?

14.) “Do you ever get tired of being strong?” How have you found resilience when dealing with a time that seemed insurmountable? When you looked back on that time, was it better or worse than it felt at the time?

Of course!! Someone has to remain strong. There's always light at the end of the tunnel. Hard times come, but with persistence, hard work and positivity hard times won't last. Upon reflection of hard times, things could've always been worse. You gain strength and knowledge in order to help yourself and others for future hardships. We tend to look at what we could've done better or should've done. With that knowledge, always strive to be a better person and do better tomorrow than you did today.

15.) The small spots of kindness that breach the darkness in life are essential to mental survival. Jean and her family, as well as the man and woman at the beauty salon have helped add kindness into Elsa and the kid’s worlds. How did you feel when reading the beauty salon section. Is there a random act of kindness that stands out as making a different in your life that you would be comfortable sharing? If so, what it is it?

There's still a lot of kindness in this world. August 2021 my son,DIL, and their 4 children experienced a life threatening devastating flood. 5 ft 9 ins of water raged through their home while they were hanging onto a telephone pole waiting for someone to rescue them. They lost everything, including 2 vehicles, except the clothes on their backs. On the day(a week later) they had to meet with FEMA to assess the water damage/loss of contents done to their home, my DIL was inside the house removing the curtains because the adjuster wasn't allowed to enter the home and had to take pictures looking into the windows from the outside. My son and the claims adjuster were on the porch talking when an unknown gentleman approached my son and shook my son's hand. The man never said a word and he turned and walked away. When the man shook hands with my son he transferred some money into my son's hand. It was $1,000. My DIL came back out on the porch to find my son and the adjuster bawling. That stranger's name we will never know, but he will forever be remembered and blessed a thousand times over for his random act kindness.

Day 4
Chapters 24-28 (78%)

16. My heart sank when Loreda got into that strange man's truck in the middle of the night. Anyone else concerned for the young lady at that point? Did you think he was meeting a group of communists in the middle of the woods?
If this was a contemporary set book I would of worried this is where Loreda meets the serial killer and ends up in a ditch. I'm glad the man was nice and it was an interesting way to bring in Communists. It's not an issue touched on often in books set in the 1930s aside from in Hollywood with the blacklists and such.

17. The hospital and the police department had little time for the migrants. What a picture of America at the time. I struggle to relate with this situation. Do you think there are parts of America that still feel this way? Even toward fellow Americans?
Yes, most definitely as I think most people who are POC will tell you. If you are brown or god forbid brown, poor, with an accent you likely experience versions of this often. Not to go political but in a planned speech Mitch McConnell said: Black Americans “are voting in just as high a percentage as Americans" implying when someone just says 'Americans' they just mean white people.

18. The communists swoop in with places to stay, food, clothes, friendly faces and yet, they are the enemy. I thought it was interesting that Elsa said, "we're proud. We believe in hard work and a fair chance. Not one for all and all for one." Does it have to be one or the other? Can we all work hard and get a fair chance, and still want our neighbors to succeed and get a hand up when they need it? Why is what Jack doing different than what Elsa and Jean and the other wives who handed down shoes and potatoes (or whatever was needed) were doing?
I get what Elsa is saying, but she also helps out her friends that are struggling. But there is a stigma with being on the dole and the implication if you takes advantage of some of the offered help, you are lazy. Which isn't the case. Maybe because Jack is other? Meaning not in the same situation as them? Or they feel there are strings attached?

19. What about that Welty Farm? Seems too good to be true. And maybe it is. I have thought a village that keeps people employed, housed and fed would be a good thing, but I guess it only takes a few bad (greedy) apples to make it terrible. Will Elsa and her family find a happy ending?
I know there was a catch to Welty farms and they wanted to keep them in debt. But I didn't realize how bad until she tried to give them cash to pay it down. That is messed up. I hope so, they deserve it, but probably not. I hope at least the is another jump forward and we learn how things turn out for the kids.

20. On another note. While reading this book with this group,
am also reading The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl. I do this from time to time when reading historical fiction. I happened to have this book on hand and found it really interesting to get a little more information on what happened before the Dust Bowl started and what else was going on. Does anyone else do this? Do you read non-fiction and fiction about the same topic at the same time? Do you have any non-fiction books about the Dust Bowl you can recommend?
Not while I'm reading a historic fiction but it may make me want to read a nonfiction when I come across it in future. Sorry I don't have any Dust Bowl books to recommend. I feel like it isn't as popular a topic as WWII where there is such an over abundance of books.

Bonus: There was a lot to talk about in this section! I picked out a few things and my own habit. Were there different things that stuck out to you?
Other than Loreda finally cluing into her mom's efforts, you hit on the main topics that resonated with me.