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Quo Vadis
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Chapters 7 thru 14
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I hope these summaries are helpful. It's a large complicated novel, and this helps me keep track. Let me know if there is any way to improve the summaries.
Manny, your summaries are like gold!! I have read through Chapter 7 so am not reading the summary yet. I AM loving the book and its message. Lygia reminds me of St Cecilia, my patron saint. She converted her pagan husband, as I think Lygia will do. I have seen at least three versions of this book. The one I started with was awful. I could not follow the story. I am now reading the Kindle Unlimited version which is easy to follow and well written. Yet a third version is the hardback that I borrowed to get page numbers. It too is good although I am not reading it. I hope to catch up before Wednesday. Stay tuned!!
Sienkiewiecz does a great job in describing the decadent, crude, and even brutish life of the Roman upper class without himself using crude language. The contrast to the innocent Lygia could not be greater.
I do see some types emerging. We'll see if they hold up.
Petronius: He represents all that is noble in the Pagan world of Rome. He is still a Pagan though, and so does not have a full understanding of virtues, vices, and morals, which is only possible in light of Christ.
Vinicius: He is the passionate young buck who even from a Roman perspective needs gentling and civilizing. He spent years fighting in the provinces, not exactly a place to learn the ways of a gentleman. His attraction to Lygia is not just her outer beauty, but the inner beauty formed by her Christian faith. He doesn't realize it yet, but to win her he must undergo a profound change of heart. This will be quite an uphill climb for him since he messed up so badly.
Lygia: She represents the emerging Christianity in all its splendor and beauty. It is her virtue that beguiles, her meekness and gentleness. At the same time she is a warrior in her own right, her weapons are prayer and full submission to God. She will not compromise her values. The newness of Christianity is also a stumbling block for the surrounding Pagan culture, as it has no reference whatsoever and rumors abound. Pomponia instructed Lygia how to navigate these obstacles. We will see how she will fare on her own. Up to now she had been so sheltered and innocent.
Petronius: He represents all that is noble in the Pagan world of Rome. He is still a Pagan though, and so does not have a full understanding of virtues, vices, and morals, which is only possible in light of Christ.
Vinicius: He is the passionate young buck who even from a Roman perspective needs gentling and civilizing. He spent years fighting in the provinces, not exactly a place to learn the ways of a gentleman. His attraction to Lygia is not just her outer beauty, but the inner beauty formed by her Christian faith. He doesn't realize it yet, but to win her he must undergo a profound change of heart. This will be quite an uphill climb for him since he messed up so badly.
Lygia: She represents the emerging Christianity in all its splendor and beauty. It is her virtue that beguiles, her meekness and gentleness. At the same time she is a warrior in her own right, her weapons are prayer and full submission to God. She will not compromise her values. The newness of Christianity is also a stumbling block for the surrounding Pagan culture, as it has no reference whatsoever and rumors abound. Pomponia instructed Lygia how to navigate these obstacles. We will see how she will fare on her own. Up to now she had been so sheltered and innocent.
Regarding Nero, the early Church historian Eusebius in his Ecclesiastical history recounts, “When Nero’s power was firmly established, he gave himself up to unholy practices and took up arms against the God of the universe.” “His perverse and extraordinary madness led him to senselessly destroy innumerable lives. In his lust for blood, he did not spare even his nearest and dearest, but in various ways did away with mother, brothers, and wife alike, and countless other members of his family,” as well as his former tutor and Stoic philosopher Seneca, “as if they were personal and public enemies.”
The Roman historian Tacitus, in his Annals, says this about Nero’s persecution of the Christians: “But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and all the sacrificing to the gods, did not banish the sinister popular belief that the fire was ordered by Nero. To destroy this rumor, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace.”Tacitus continues, “At first, those who confessed were arrested. Then, on their evidence, a huge multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of fire than for hatred of mankind. These deaths were accompanied by derision: covered in animal skins they were to perish torn by dogs, or affixed to crosses to be burnt as torches when the sun set. Nero offered his gardens for the show and staged games in the Circus, mixing with the crowd in the garb of a driver riding a chariot,” which was behavior not befitting an emperor. “This roused pity. Although guilty and deserving of extreme measures, the Christians’ annihilation seemed to arise not from public utility but for one man’s brutality.”
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At the palace, Acte, Nero’s former mistress but now a palace attendant, was assigned to prepare Lygia for the feast. Lygia undesiring to attend fearfully let Acte dress her. A bond formed between the two of them. Acte, educated, had read the writings of Paul of Tarsus, and compassionately advised Lygia on how to act in Nero’s company. They discussed the mystery of why she had been brought to Nero’s palace. To Acte’s surprise, Lygia, though lovely before, had transformed into the most beautiful of young women.
They entered the feast and walked among eminent noblemen and senators. Lygia was frightened and wanted to escape. She saw Vinicius come in with Petronius. Acte took her to the dining area and there was Caesar himself. Vinicius approached her, and she found him handsome. He pledged to her again. She asked him why she had been taken to Caesar’s palace, and Vinicius calmed her by saying he would stay by her, and promised to take her to his house. He sat by her at table. At one point, drunk, he grabbed her by the arm, but Acte interfered by calling attention to Nero. It was true. Lygia had caught Nero’s eye, and Vinicius backed down.
Petronius and Nero have a conversation about Vinicius’s attraction to Lygia. Other noblemen join in the conversation, a sort of imperious male talk of life and women. Finally Poppaea, Nero’s wife entered and became the center of attention. Lygia turned to Vinicius to ask if such a beautiful woman could be Poppaea, who she had heard as a Christian was notoriously evil. But Vinicius, even more drunk, grabbed at her again. Her once trust in Vinicius had now turned dread. What stopped him were the musicians that had come to perform. Music, reciting of poetry, and dramatic dialogues became the center of attention. Athletes then came, wrestlers performing for entertainment. Clowns and dancers followed. The feast was turning into a bacchanal, and guests were undressing. Drunken guests were shouting and grabbing at the dancers.
Finally Vinicius blurts out to Lygia that Nero had taken her from Aulus for him, and that the next evening he will have her brought to his home. Wildly drunk he rose and put his arms around her neck and pressed his lips on hers. But Lygia’s giant guard, Ursus, pulled him off her and tossed him aside. The giant picked up his queen and took her back to her room. Vinicius called for her and then fell drunk to the floor. Many of the guests were also lying about drunk.
Ursus had taken Lygia to Acte’s apartments. Lygia and Ursus want to leave the palace altogether and are ready to return to Aulus’s home, but Acte tells them that it would be an insult to Caesar in which he would take his revenge on Aulus and Pomponia, and Lygia would still be forced to go to Vinicius. Acte tries to convince Lygia to be resigned to her fate given the power of all the men involved. Lygia will not accept it. She and Ursus drop to their knees and pray which moves Acte. After prayer, Lygia comes up with a new plan. When Vinicius’ slaves come to take her away, Ursus and scores of other Christians will intercept the entourage and whisk Lygia away and make their way to the far reaches of the empire.
Acte did not like the plan. She did not think it would work and could not understand why Lygia would refuse to be Vinicius’ concubine or perhaps possibly even wife. But she marvels at Lygia’s calm as they rest, Lygia falling asleep while Acte awake in dread. In the afternoon, while waiting for evening for Vinicius’ retinue to arrive and take her away, Lygia and Acte take a walk in the garden. Poppaea comes upon them and noticing Lygia’s beauty wonders if Nero intends to take her for a mistress. But Lygia explains that the plan was for Vinicius to taker her that evening and implores Poppaea to persuade Caesar to send her back to Aulus’s home. Relieved, Poppaea tells her that evening Lygia will be Vinicius’ whore and walks away. Evening comes and Vinicius’ retinue arrives, and Lygia hugs Acte goodbye.
Meanwhile Vinicius was waiting at his house with Petronius for Lygia to arrive, having prepared to start a feast when she got there. Petronius admonishes Vinicius about his behavior at Nero’s feast. It was no way to win over a lady. As the retinue travels toward Vinicius’s home, it is overwhelmed by Christians who free Lygia. Ursus kills a man who tried to whisk away Lygia, and Ursus and Lygia abscond into the dark streets of the city. The slaves who had ushered Lygia in the retinue break the news to Vicinius, and Vinicius in his anger kills an old slave who had taken care of him as a child.
After flogging the rest of the slaves, Vinicius in his anger cannot rest. He first contemplates a theory that Aulus and Pomponia had sent a party to attack the retinue. He vows revenge against them. Then he settles on a theory that Nero himself had attacked the retinue to take Lygia. Here too he vows revenge but then in the reasoning of Nero’s superior power he resigns to have lost her. He decides to go to Nero’s palace to discern if she is there.
At the palace Vinicius finds that Nero has been occupied with the illness of his newborn child Augusta, and could not have been the source of Lygia’s escape. Acte explains to him that the child was with Poppaea when they came across Lygia in the garden, and that now Poppaea suspects that Lygia has cast a spell on Augusta. If Augusta dies, both Nero and Poppaea will blame Lygia and she will be killed. She also tells him that Lygia had loved him until his brutish behavior at Nero’s feast. That she loved him cut to his heart, and he felt immense guilt.
Vinicius and Petronius make a plan to try to find her. They send slaves to watch the exits of the city. They send patrols out to find her and Ursus. They deduce that only their co-religionists would have gotten together and freed her. To relieve Vinicius of his stress, Petronius offers him his beautiful female slave, Eunice. Vicinius has no interest and Eunice resists. Petronius has Eunice flogged nonetheless for resisting, suspecting that she refused to leave his household because she’s in love with someone there.
The next morning, a man who Eunice knows and who Petronius suspects is the man Eunice loves, presents himself to Petronius and Vinicius. His name is Chilo Chilonides, a man of many talents and learning, and says he will find Lygia for them. They promise to reward him with a small fortune if he delivers her. His first order of business is to figure out what is her religion since only co-religionists would have taken such an initiative. When he learns that Lygia had drawn a fish symbol, he concludes that she might be a Christian. Petronius and Vinicius find it impossible to believe she is a Christian. They hold such prejudiced notions about Christians and their practices.
A few days later, Augusta dies, and Nero is in a rage. Petronius tried to console him. Chilo returns to confirm that the fish symbol stands for Jesus Christ, the god of the Christians. Chilo then reveals that he through his investigation has “become Christian” himself. He tells them the story of how he met with a freedman, Pansa, who is a Christian, and Pansa brought him to a house of prayer, and that by doing so he has infiltrated the Christians, becoming friends with an old man named Euricius. The Christians seem to trust him and has been led into their company. Through this he hopes to find Lygia. Vinicius provides him with the necessary money to maintain this cover.