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Yes!

Jeremiah(God's Guy) wrote: "Yes!"

How so?

If scientists say it isn't true, then try to see it at both angles! Booyah!

my viewpoint is that the bible is both truth and not, like many old documents. this goes for all other old religious texts as well--- it doesn't make any sense to me that people back then could have correctly known everything. science has, many times, contradicted the local religion. this goes for not just christianity but also a lot of others as well.

Well- it could be true, it could also not be true, as it has been changed to many languages, so things could have been translated wrong

I think, the Bible is true, but I'm sorry, I can't really explain why, because my English is not good enough to say what I really want to say. I wish I could, but I think if I try, I'll just confuse everyone with my bad English 😭

Thari wrote: "I think, the Bible is true, but I'm sorry, I can't really explain why, because my English is not good enough to say what I really want to say. I wish I could, but I think if I try, I'll just confus..."

That's okay!! Thank you for sharing anyway ^-^ By the way, we won't judge you if you struggle with English! It's totally understandable ^-^

Dexter wrote: "Ignoring the fact about translation, but the Bible and the contents inside has been changed many times into different versions as well"

I don’t think so, because if you Look up the Qumran Caves Scrolls (I think they are also called the dead sea scrolls?) they confirm, that the old Testament has been accurately preserved, and is the content is still the same.

Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels.

Look that up. He went into the investigation as an athiest and left a believer that the Bible was true.

Dexter wrote: "Right okay, but then what about the many versions of the Bible? Isn’t Christianity supposed to represent unity of one religion?"

Sorry, I had to go to eat dinner. That depends on what kind of different versions you mean. There are many sects who claim to be Christians, but aren’t really. Those sects often change the Bible as they please, because that’s “what it’s supposed to mean”, but it really is not. And then there are different translations of the Bible, which are just mostly the same and only have different sentence structure or are translated in a way that they are more easy to understand

As someone who grew up Methodist, and followed the Bible, but was taught to believe science before any strange religious explanations of science, I believe that God helped create what created the world, he didn't build it in a day, nor did he create man or woman, he just influenced them as the Bible became more accessible.

Some of it could be true. But all of it is defenitely not true.

Yes, the Satanic Bible is.

PFFT-

oh...

So I believe (as do all christians) that the bible is true buuut.... I believe that we shouldn't be so rigid in how we define it I believe that the core beliefs that the teachings of Jesus were founded on do not change but the way they relate society does.

YourLocalPoliticsPotato wrote: "Yes, the Satanic Bible is."

Uh

YourLocalPoliticsPotato wrote: "Yes, the Satanic Bible is."

what. the h--l. is that?

The Satanic Bible
The Satanic Bible
The Satanic Bible and The Satanic Rituals Hardcover Combined Special Edition

They are all different books so take your pick as to which one ig

I believe that the bible is both true and false, and it all depends on your religion. since it was written by man, it makes sense that there would be false information and mistakes occasionally. even if it was scientifically proven to be true or not true, not much would change because religion isnt rlly based on facts, more so what people choose to believe in. (coming from a Christian/Catholic girl)

The Bible IS true, There's no denying that.

Messianic Prophecies: There are numerous prophecies about the coming of a Messiah in the Old Testament. Christians believe these were fulfilled in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For instance, the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 about a virgin giving birth is seen as being fulfilled in the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:22-23).

Historical Events: Prophecies concerning the rise and fall of empires and cities have also been fulfilled. For example, the prophecies in Daniel 2 about the succession of world empires are seen as accurately predicting the rise and fall of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome.

Destruction of Specific Places: The prophecy in Ezekiel 26:3-14 about the destruction of the city of Tyre was fulfilled when Alexander the Great conquered and destroyed the city.

The fulfillment of these prophecies is often cited by believers as evidence of the Bible's divine inspiration and truth.

MidnightButterfly wrote: "The Satanic Bible
The Satanic Bible
The Satanic Bible and The Satanic Rituals Hardcover Combined Special Edition

They are all different books so take yo..."

Thanks!

BackWEST Mapleshade wrote: "The Bible IS true, There's no denying that.

Messianic Prophecies: There are numerous prophecies about the coming of a Messiah in the Old Testament. Christians believe these were fulfilled in the l..."

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Thank you

lizzie (ralph's ver) ୭ৎ wrote: "I believe that the bible is both true and false, and it all depends on your religion. since it was written by man, it makes sense that there would be false information and mistakes occasionally. ev..."

The Bible wasn't written BY men. It was written by God THROUGH men.

IS ABSOLUTLEY TRUE

♡°Haven°♡ wrote: "The Bible is the literal definition of truth!!
It documents all if God’s miracles and has time frames to prove it.
Even Atheiacal scientists have even backed up this fact!! people are always throwi..."

how can literal truth have contradictions in it?

BackWEST Mapleshade wrote: "The Bible IS true, There's no denying that.

Messianic Prophecies: There are numerous prophecies about the coming of a Messiah in the Old Testament. Christians believe these were fulfilled in the l..."

bible is not fully true. why, look at the first prophecy you mentioned (isiah). she didn't call him immanuel. so a wrong prophecy

♥️♦️♣️♠️ Jesus, books, tea, and cats ♠️♣️♦️♥️ (CC) wrote: "lizzie (ralph's ver) ୭ৎ wrote: "I believe that the bible is both true and false, and it all depends on your religion. since it was written by man, it makes sense that there would be false informati..."

Why didn't God just write it himself then? Humans make errors, as there are errors in the Bible. Also, if God was all-knowing, he would have known that non-believers would doubt the Bible's accuracy BECAUSE it was written by man.

All of this said with respect ^^

BackWEST Mapleshade wrote: "The Bible IS true, There's no denying that.

Messianic Prophecies: There are numerous prophecies about the coming of a Messiah in the Old Testament. Christians believe these were fulfilled in the l..."

and the oldest bible manuscript is from 325 AD and Alexander the great died in 323 BC. so i can argue that prophecy can be added later on. there's no proof that many of these prophecies happened before it was written as we don't have bible manuscripts predating those events

BackWEST Mapleshade wrote: "The Bible IS true, There's no denying that.

Messianic Prophecies: There are numerous prophecies about the coming of a Messiah in the Old Testament. Christians believe these were fulfilled in the l..."

Here here!

No, the old testment part of the Bible was written long before A.D. In fact the first five books of the Bible (the Pentateuch) were written by Moses during the times of Ancient Egypt. As time went on, more prophecies were given by God to Israelites. The last prophecy came 400 years before the birth of Christ. The Bible as we know it today, which includes the new Testament and old testament, wasnt all compiled together until about 300 A.D.
But the prophecies were in fact written long before they came true.
Many copies of books of The Old Testament have been discovered by archeologists.

The Pentateuch, was written in 1495 b.c. give or take a few years.

Jonas wrote: "No, the old testment part of the Bible was written long before A.D. In fact the first five books of the Bible (the Pentateuch) were written by Moses during the times of Ancient Egypt. As time went ..."

there are no manuscripts to prove it. even dead sea scrolls does not predate these events

According to what I personally choose to believe, I read the King James Bible and it is absolutely true. That is just what I've been taught, and I actually don't know the Bible well enough to explain why I believe that. (I've been in and out of church all of my life so.. idrk a lot of stuff I probably should know)

♥️♦️♣️♠️ Jesus, books, tea, and cats ♠️♣️♦️♥️ (CC) wrote: "lizzie (ralph's ver) ୭ৎ wrote: "I believe that the bible is both true and false, and it all depends on your religion. since it was written by man, it makes sense that there would be false informati..."

ty for clearing it up that makes sense
yeah i remember now the writing was guided by the Holy Spirit i think. but regardless, humans make mistakes, and i believe that God did want to show that within the Bible. Overall, I believe the Bible is true.

MidnightButterfly wrote: "The Satanic Bible
The Satanic Bible
The Satanic Bible and The Satanic Rituals Hardcover Combined Special Edition

They are all different books so take yo..."

satanic BIBLE? the Bible is a religious text and mocking it is actually not ok. not you, but the author yk? anyways i looked at like 4 random pages to understand what was going through the authors mind when writing this, and it is umm... basically about men who believe they have the greatest form of dominance and can treat women like objects and take absolutely no care of themselves. essentially all they do is for their own pleasure. what? this book was published in 1969, but still WHAT. basically i researched it so i could make sure this wasnt satire and the author believes religion is 'forceful' and 'controlling' and he says that you should instead live by the 7 deadly sins. js no.

Barnette wrote: "♥️♦️♣️♠️ Jesus, books, tea, and cats ♠️♣️♦️♥️ (CC) wrote: "lizzie (ralph's ver) ୭ৎ wrote: "I believe that the bible is both true and false, and it all depends on your religion. since it was written..."

(what i believe) it is supposed to show errors as it was written by men, and I believe His intention was not on the writing but on the proclomation of the Gospel, and to show that these men have lived through it personally, rather than God writing it Himself. Now I believe he did guide the authors through the Holy Spirit, but regardless, it was written by men to show a more personal experience. also, for the non-believer part of your comment, i think thats to show which people will actually give God a chance, instead of seeing a mistake in the Bible (again, written by men THROUGH His guidance) and giving up on Him. i hope this can give u a different point of view bc it is all very confusing x.

lizzie ⁸⁷ wrote: "Barnette wrote: "♥️♦️♣️♠️ Jesus, books, tea, and cats ♠️♣️♦️♥️ (CC) wrote: "lizzie (ralph's ver) ୭ৎ wrote: "I believe that the bible is both true and false, and it all depends on your religion. sin..."

Thanks! That makes sense.

lizzie ⁸⁷ wrote: "Barnette wrote: "♥️♦️♣️♠️ Jesus, books, tea, and cats ♠️♣️♦️♥️ (CC) wrote: "lizzie (ralph's ver) ୭ৎ wrote: "I believe that the bible is both true and false, and it all depends on your religion. sin..."

yw! i had the same question so i researched a lot, and js what i believed. cs like many humans back then wouldn't believe this unnatural power/force unless they could relate or have 'proof'.

BackWEST Mapleshade wrote: "The Bible IS true, There's no denying that.

Messianic Prophecies: There are numerous prophecies about the coming of a Messiah in the Old Testament. Christians believe these were fulfilled in the l..."

I would say this is because the people who wrote the Bible were intelligent people. I still would say that it is half truth and half not. There is no way so many centuries ago people knew all the inner workings of the world; even if it was written through God, as Barnette said, human error is still inevitable. It simply doesn't make sense that they would have fully understood everything they were writing and would have definitely made some mistakes. I'm not trying to be biased towards Christianity or anything--- this goes for all religions and religious texts. There are both incredibly true things in there, and incredibly false.

The Bible, just like any other religious book is true in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I am Christian, and believe that The Bible is the only true book though. We have historical evidence that Jesus was real, so ANY argument against that is thrown out the window, as there are letters from Ceasar (A Roman emperor) mentioning him. Now, believing in God and having faith in Him in my opinion is different. But I believe that God can open anyone's eyes to His truth.

VERY BIG BUT HERE: The Bible can and has been mistranslated!! But that is human error, not God's error, as he cannot make mistakes. There are also mortal biases, and all that in certain translations of the Bible. So just practice discernment when reading such things

Not a Christian, but I am religious and I think many of the Bible might be true, along with most other religious texts! There's a good chance there was a Jesus or Mohammad or other figures I can't name off the top of my head, but mostly my thoughts are that the valued written in the Bible, the lessons about being a good person, those are the ones that people should pay the most attention to, not just the ones about people and stories.
Those are important to, but just my personal belief is that it matters more to be good person, than a faithful person. I know it might sound wrong, but like 😭😭🙏 i don' know how to explain it

Also, in general about religion from a more scientific, anthropological standpoint, I think that there are many things in the universe we can't explain, especially when these texts were first written, we were incorrect on many things as a species, and faith in a greater power that kept everything working was what comforted people and brought them together, which probably brought together these cultures.

Reminder this exists!

‼️‼️THE BIBLE IS TRUE!! ‼️‼️I am a Christian, I have studied the Bible my whole life, so i would know. for example, God promised that He would never flood the entire earth again. after the thingie with Moses and like the big flood.

and the earth has never been entirely floooded again

Hey, welcome to this debate!

With all respect, how does the earth not flooding again point to God's promise being true? Like couldn't that be a coincidence?

hi ty! i could be but that’s very highly unlikely. that’s only one piece of evidence tho. the New Teatement records are very accurate because there have been prophecies in major prophet books like isaiah prophesying into the future (obviously) and the prophecies have become TRUE in the New Testement.