The Debate Club discussion

Environmental activists say that human wants have gone too far.

I was discussing with my friends about meat subs and suggested soya beans, however was immediately refuted and told soya beans are bad for the environment, and I said that growing rice is too, but we can not stop eating it as it is an integral part of some cultures. She suggested culture is just a human creation and should not be placed above the environment.

Is she right? How about other human needs?

it really depends on the need. as in, the rice thing i disagree with because our society is literally so dependent on eating rice. i eat rice literally every day. but for other things, that we don't need at all and are just simple luxuries, i think prioritizing the environment is better.

example: air conditioning. literally half the time a room is air-conditioned it's way too cold, like 60 degrees, in there, even though everyone inside is wearing a jacket or a hoodie and it's nice and pleasant outside. however, ACs are also terrible for global heating (much worse than co2). so, in the cases that it's unnecessary, i would say just turn it off. of course, don't ban air conditioning or anything, but my point is that when we don't need something, and when that something is harmful, we shouldn't use it.

Ac is both the adaptation to claimate change and worsens it

Do we have any deep green ecologists here?

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Do we have any deep green ecologists here?"

i dont know 😃

yes, the environment is what we live on ( i found something too! https://unity.edu/distance-education-... ), but what are the wants or needs?

I am a proud environmentalist
My family has done what they can and has gone solar and uses electric cars, I do what I can even if its on a minimum level by recycling everything I can and doing my best not to waste stuff
Thus I personally think we need to care more for the environment than human life because we are the reason the world is like this. Without humanity the earth would honestly be doing much better without our pollution and over population and destruction of forests and habitats
Less animals would've gone extinct, we wouldn't have a hole in the ozone, the environmental problems we have? Are all mostly caused by our wasteful society.
(also sorry if this makes literally no sense I'm so tired right now)

Also not to mention if humanity wants to live another hundred years we NEED to be prioritizing the Earth so it continues being habitable because at the decline we're going we'll end up in an overly polluted heat hell

Well we need to stop using the inernet then

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Well we need to stop using the inernet then"

i mean itd suck but yeah we should

What shall we do? Live in caves and hunt fir food?

I never said we couldn't farm but I mean sure we could
I mean some people still do

Would you?

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Would you?"

Id be willing to try it
it wouldnt be nice or pretty but ive been out hunting and fishing before and I know basic survival skills so to some extent I think I could

So you would live in the wild? Do you think humanity shoukd undo all the tech progress etc we have made that allows you to be here right jow?

MidnightButterfly wrote: "So you would live in the wild? Do you think humanity shoukd undo all the tech progress etc we have made that allows you to be here right jow?"

I never claimed we should undo what we've done but I would like to find more sustainable ways to support humanity without hurting the environment
Obviously cutting down on the use of fossil fuels, stop encouraging overpopulation by cutting down trees and digging up the land to build apartment after apartment, and also stop trying to advance ai because thats hurting both people and the environment

Do you think the world is overpopulated?

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Do you think the world is overpopulated?"

severely.

Why is that?

I know this is a subjective topic to argue but its my personal belief that the earth is overpopulated with people if we are at the point where our civilization is driving species to mass extinctions and deforestation just to support ourselves

And not even just species going extinct but the idea that so many are endangered or threatened

Im trying to dpfind the tooic we have on this

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Im trying to dpfind the tooic we have on this"

sorry but i have no clue what you just said

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Lol we have a topic on this

MidnightButterfly wrote: "https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Lol we have a topic on this"

OHHHH AWESOME OK (I dont typically scroll past the like 5 first topics I see daily lol)

haha its ok!

MidnightButterfly wrote: "Do you think the world is overpopulated?"

depends on how you look at it. right now i would say not, but agriculture definitely needs to adapt in order to adequately feed everybody. as the human population increases, so does the amount of urban land, and logically speaking too much transformation of rural land into urban land will not end well

Well is the population just. Not spread in the right way?

" the difference between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom is that they only take what they need. we take anything we want. "
-unknown

yes, i think the environment should take priority.

about agriculture and food production, i think the answer is just everything in moderation.
we have needs and wants and we should do our best we can to preserve the environment, however we can achieve our needs as a species if we prioritise the environment over EVERYTHING if yk what i mean

i agree with alice! yes we should try to prioritise the enviroment as much as possible, however if that for whatever reason comes at the risk of people literally not having access to food and shelter, that is a hard fucking no.

Modern science is where the problem lies. If Alchemy/Vedic philosophy was the basis of our evolution, we would be in unison with Earth. Modern science is void of the metaphysical and therefore does not resonate with Earth. Everything functions on the principle of causality meaning you need two equal opposites to give effect. One is action, the other is reaction. At present, the action is modern science when it should be nature's resonance. All this in the name of corporation and product supply. Corporation needs to grow, so they inspire population growth etc, but that is not all folks, it's much deeper.

please don't associate yourself with vedism 🥀 i haven't heard a single proper vedic thing from you

Andre wrote: "Modern science is where the problem lies. If Alchemy/Vedic philosophy was the basis of our evolution, we would be in unison with Earth. Modern science is void of the metaphysical and therefore does..."

corporations don't care about doing anything unless the people want them to (at least in a capitalist society, because they are trying to have as many customers as possible). that's why i believe in education people about current issues and the causes of those issues, and making them care about it, because only then can we make the companies actually care.

Sai :) wrote: "it really depends on the need. as in, the rice thing i disagree with because our society is literally so dependent on eating rice. i eat rice literally every day. but for other things, that we don'..."

honestly I somewhat disagree with the AC thing, I agree that they can be bad for the environment but I need an ac on a lot and need the temparture at all times to be 18 degrees Celsius or less or else I feel like im gonna pass out, I know it’s not like that for everyone but if im even slightly overheated i literally feel like im dying and can’t do anything 😭

Ophelia ˚࿔ (semi-hiatus) wrote: "Sai :) wrote: "it really depends on the need. as in, the rice thing i disagree with because our society is literally so dependent on eating rice. i eat rice literally every day. but for other thing..."

yeah that makes sense, that was an old comment lol i'd say i'm more educated now, i have a friend now too who has a medical condition where she's constantly overheating (bc of a low body temperature) so i get that it can be important.

ohh ok